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This is a bill anyone who cares about the education of children should check out.
I urge you all to vote for this resolution.

Please post the text of the proposal to this thread, or everyone will simply assume it's another M.O.S.S. proposal.

Coming from Northern Nukeland, there's a decent chance it actually is M.O.S.S.

I'm feeling kind - must be the new antibiotics.

Ending Compulsory Education

A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: Northern Nukeland

Description:
Acknowledging that education is important to furthering our society

Recognizing that our current education system is flawed

Understanding a child that does not wish to learn, will not learn

Further recognizing the massive amounts of money wasted on children who do not wish to learn

Further recognizing the smarter children are held back by kids who refuse to learn


Noting that kids will get more one on one time with their teach in a less crowded
classroom



The Armed Republic of Northern Nukeland


Requests for the ending of compulsory education

Further Requests special job training, such as apprenticeship in jobs not requiring formal education for the kids choosing not to learn.

How in the heck does that fall under "furtherment of democracy"? And then there's the repeal issue as well. I strongly suggest that people not propose legislation dealing with education while simultaneously demonstrating a lack of knowledge of proper proposal categories. I don't propose it because that would be an invalid proposal, much like the one above.

Actually I don't think that there is a conflict with the two education resolutions on the books. All they say is that education has to be available, not that attendance has to be mandatory.

I like it. But then again, I despise grade based education in general.

So we have to educate them to 16 or 18 but it's not compulsory???

Yes, we must spend billions on these projects, but it's up to the twelve year old if he wants to go to school or not....

:headbang:

LOL, sounds too much like the real world! :)

We prefer enforced Darwinism at some level.

Johnny can't learn? We'll find something for Johnny to do. We're creative and have more money then most nations allocated towards "usefulness of population".

Johnny won't learn, Johnny will be fertilizing trees at the roots.

I'll run that through AP's Farm Bureau. If they back it, then AP has a new environmentally friendly agricultural practice.

Fellow U.N members, let me clarify the bill. First of all, It is under the furtherment of democracy because it didn't fit under anything else and I believe this is for the betterment of society. It does not conflict with any laws on the books, because this issue deals with compulsory education. The issue, in my opinion will correct several problems with the education system. All of which I state in the resolution. If anyone is confused about something than please ask me and I will clarify it. If you have any questions, I will be more than happy to answer them.

Exactly Vastiva, The Draft Resolution "Ending Compulsory Education" is to make
1. The School System better by
a. Letting the kids who don't want to learn do somthing productive. Like mechanics and farmers.
b. Letting the kids who want to learn become educated so they can do even more productive things. Like becoming scientists and doctors
2. Saving our governments' money so that we can spend it on other important things like roads.

Exactly Vastiva, The Draft Resolution "Ending Compulsory Education" is to make
1. The School System better by
a. Letting the kids who don't want to learn do somthing productive. Like mechanics and farmers.
b. Letting the kids who want to learn become educated so they can do even more productive things. Like becoming scientists and doctors
2. Saving our governments' money so that we can spend it on other important things like roads.

Let me introduce you to logic.

We are required to provide education until 18. We are also required not to discriminate. That means if Biff doesn't want to learn addition, we still have to pay teachers and provide materials.

This saves you nothing. It means you are now paying someone who could be educating Biff, but Biff decided that manga is more interesting this week - last week Biff wanted to be a fireman - so Biff isn't learning addition. Your allocation is being wasted, but is still there as you're required to have it.

Overall, with no basics in place, you make your nation stupid by leaps and bounds.

We much prefer enforced social Darwinism. Those who won't learn and do nothing are made into fertilizer. Those who want to learn something different are allowed to pursue those different paths. There is a huge difference between "I don't want to learn anything" and "I want to learn something else".

Why are we giving children the right to make critical decisions that will affect the rest of their lives? Take a look at Romeo Dimitri Vladimir Sicklecow, the Grand Patriarch of Nargopia. When he was 5, he didn't want to go to kindergarten anymore, but mommy and daddy and the government made him. If he had dropped out at the kindergarten level, he never would have graduated valedictorian from the University of Romana, and he never would have gained the political skills necessary to overthrow the corrupt government and establish a New Society.

Coming from Northern Nukeland, there's a decent chance it actually is M.O.S.S.




I find that remark to be offencive and totally off topic. Why you insist on questioning the integrity of my nation and dragging it through the mud is beyond me. Why, next you will be making accusations about my nation harboring terrorists. My nation has done nothing to you and I would like to keep it that way. If you wan't to start a fight with me, do it through telegrams or something just dont do it here.The U.N is not the place for petty name calling.


Ok now that I have stated that I would like to adress an issue the delegate from Nargopia brought up. He stated a child is not have the capacity to make decisions. This is my answer, If you give a child a choice they will tend to make the right choice. They aren't stupid. They might be uninformed which is why Johnnys mom should sit him down and tell him the benefits of going to school such as better job, higher class in society, more money and things like that. Then she should tell him the advantages of being an aprentice for a shoe maker or something like that. My nation believes the child will make a decision that is right for him if he is informed. A child is a human being and they should be treated that way. That does not mean a child can not be diciplined but that is a tottally different matter.


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I find that remark to be offencive and totally off topic. Why you insist on questioning the integrity of my nation and dragging it through the mud is beyond me. Why, next you will be making accusations about my nation harboring terrorists. My nation has done nothing to you and I would like to keep it that way. If you wan't to start a fight with me, do it through telegrams or something just dont do it here.The U.N is not the place for petty name calling.
Um, wasn't your last proposal about how all nations should give their nuclear weapons to you?

Ok now that I have stated that I would like to adress an issue the delegate from Nargopia brought up. He stated a child is not have the capacity to make decisions. This is my answer, If you give a child a choice they will tend to make the right choice. They aren't stupid. They might be uninformed which is why Johnnys mom should sit him down and tell him the benefits of going to school such as better job, higher class in society, more money and things like that. Then she should tell him the advantages of being an aprentice for a shoe maker or something like that. My nation believes the child will make a decision that is right for him if he is informed. A child is a human being and they should be treated that way. That does not mean a child can not be diciplined but that is a tottally different matter.

So I assume you let children of all ages vote in your country. And drive. And drink alcohol. And take drugs. And view pornography.

Because if you don't, then you are acknowledging that children are less mature than adults. And if you acknowledge that, then you might as well agree with me that they shouldn't be allowed to make life-altering decisions at such an early age as five years.

Um, wasn't your last proposal about how all nations should give their nuclear weapons to you?
Yes it was, I remember because I told him exactly how he would be recieving my nukes (should any exist in my nation).

1. The School System better by
a. Letting the kids who don't want to learn do somthing productive. Like mechanics and farmers.


Farmers are educated people. It involves business, chemistry, mathematics etc...

Ok now that I have stated that I would like to adress an issue the delegate from Nargopia brought up. He stated a child is not have the capacity to make decisions. This is my answer, If you give a child a choice they will tend to make the right choice. They aren't stupid. They might be uninformed which is why Johnnys mom should sit him down and tell him the benefits of going to school such as better job, higher class in society, more money and things like that. Then she should tell him the advantages of being an aprentice for a shoe maker or something like that. My nation believes the child will make a decision that is right for him if he is informed. A child is a human being and they should be treated that way. That does not mean a child can not be diciplined but that is a tottally different matter.

No a child won't. Heck, most adults can not even do what you speak of.

AP, where have you been recently?

Within The Irish Brotherhood, going to shool from the ages of 4 - 16 is mandatory. If a pupil fails to do so, the parents get fined (unless that pupil is off for a plausible reason). When the pupil reaches 16, he/she can choose whether to carry on in school or find themselves a job. It has worked wonders in my nation.

I see no reason to repeal this. Education is a good thing. We educate to each individual's potential, no more and no less.

~UN Representative for Neo-Anarchists~

Um, wasn't your last proposal about how all nations should give their nuclear weapons to you?


So I assume you let children of all ages vote in your country. And drive. And drink alcohol. And take drugs. And view pornography.

Because if you don't, then you are acknowledging that children are less mature than adults. And if you acknowledge that, then you might as well agree with me that they shouldn't be allowed to make life-altering decisions at such an early age as five years.


We do not vote in our country. We follow our fearless leader. I also stated that a child can be diciplined because he is under the care of the guardian and it is in the best interest of the guardian to keep the child safe. Besides, drinking beer is not a basic human funcition, but thinking is. A child can think and many studies show that.

Ok now that I have stated that I would like to adress an issue the delegate from Nargopia brought up. He stated a child is not have the capacity to make decisions. This is my answer, If you give a child a choice they will tend to make the right choice. They aren't stupid.

The bolded section is distinct in that it shows why we must judge you as insane. Children do not make "right choices" as a general tendency. This is why child-proof caps are a high end business.



They might be uninformed which is why Johnnys mom should sit him down and tell him the benefits of going to school such as better job, higher class in society, more money and things like that. Then she should tell him the advantages of being an aprentice for a shoe maker or something like that. My nation believes the child will make a decision that is right for him if he is informed. A child is a human being and they should be treated that way. That does not mean a child can not be diciplined but that is a tottally different matter.

Children have no sense of long term time in general. This proposal is ridiculous, an attempt to adultify those who are completely ill-equipped to handle the job.

AP, where have you been recently?

School, it is a B*%^&.

Within The Irish Brotherhood, going to shool from the ages of 4 - 16 is mandatory. If a pupil fails to do so, the parents get fined (unless that pupil is off for a plausible reason). When the pupil reaches 16, he/she can choose whether to carry on in school or find themselves a job. It has worked wonders in my nation.

Interesting method of getting around resolution #28 (Free Education). It gives the right to a free education, but as with all rights, that right can be "unexercised".

Very interesting indeed.

Looks like my resolution is going no where, but I will not give up. I will make amendments. Does anyone have any friendly amendments that could be made. Like perhaps making the decision up to the parents or making the stupid kids pay more for education or something like that. I am just throwing out ideas here, I don't neccasarily agree with them. Perhaps giving the child a choice when they are in 3rd grade and their parents would get a recomendation from the school on wheter they should continue. Any ideas, I very much want to pass this.

While I agree that something does need to be done about unruly children in school (those that don't want to be there) I'm not sure your proposal is the best way to go about it.

True, not everybody likes going to school. And some, consider it little more than a waste of time.

However, children can't be expected to know what is best for themselves. If you're asking children whether they want to go to school or not, a lot of them will say no, preferring to play on their Playstation 2 or something. Illiteracy levels would sore, society would move backwards, and a new dark age would begin.