NationStates Jolt Archive


On Repeals

Elegantiae Arbiter
15-02-2005, 06:39
Ladies and Gentlemen of the UN:

It is not my intention to belittle your great service to all UN member nations and to the institution itself, yet the current trend of mass repeals alarms my country.

The repeal has a just and necessary place in the public forum, yet the honored delegates and representatives must remember that it is not the only factor in public debate. More and more frequently, all that is brought to the table for discussion is repeals of different resolutions passed by the UN in its past.

Resolutions are being proposed for repeal because of bad wording, and claims of faulty logic, with equally as poor reasoning behind it.

Resolutions are passed for a reason and by people equally as learned and as honorable as ourselves, and we must remember that no resolution was passed for merely kicks and giggles. They had their purpose, and, in most cases, they have their purpose still.

Let us abandon the current trend of repealing resolutions and go back to creating new ones and crafting new guidelines for our new era. The repeal is a powerful tool, but lets not overuse it -or abuse it.
Enn
15-02-2005, 06:40
The problem is, of course, that many feel that there aren't that many new topics fit for debate by the United Nations, so instead they just go over old ones.
Krioval
15-02-2005, 06:48
The delegate from Krioval agrees with his eminent and esteemed colleague from Elegantiae Arbiter to a point. Several repeals under serious consideration, including the current repeal of "The Global Library", which just reached quorum, being suggested to replace the current resolution with an improved version. Naturally, one cannot simply cover a resolution with an updated version and leave the old one intact, so a repeal is in order for that reason at least.

Also, before Krioval cedes the floor, we would like to relay a message from the Commander. He says that he thoroughly enjoyed his time in your nation, but was upset that the festivities ended so early. He looks forward to strong relations between our nations. Thank you.

Lord Darvek Tyvok
Ambassador to the UN - Krioval
Regional Delegate - Chaotica
Powerhungry Chipmunks
15-02-2005, 06:54
I personally have a few more repeal proposals in mind. I think there are a lot of repeal attempts that are superfluous and not well argued. I think we should restrain ourselves from these as they keep all other repeals of that resolution from having a faint hope of reaching quorum (search function is ruled out for the majority of the proposal window, and with all the deletions hyperlink is just too unreliable, now).

So I agree that we need to refocus on writing new proposals, in some ways. But I think there should still be those that actively go after good and realistic repeals.

An interesting thing to consider is that admin will be trying to put some new categories in sometime soon, which will open up whole new areas of debate and resolution.

I hope they comes soon.
Elegantiae Arbiter
15-02-2005, 06:56
The representative from Elegantiae Arbiter thanks the delegate from Krioval for his agreement and participation in the discussion.

Further, the representative from Elegantiae Arbiter agrees with his colleague in that repeals are necessary in some situations and for some purposes, especially when the purposes are constructive, as the Global Library is deemed to be by the people of Elegantiae Arbiter.

However, there are numerous unconstructive repeals that tend to have their sole justification as nations rights, in which case, the representative from Elegantiae Arbiter kindly suggests that such nations leave the union, where they will have complete freedom.

And in response to the delegate from Krioval's message, Arbiter Beauxhome sends his regards and apologies for the short evening, and hopes most passionately for a repeated event. Further, any friendly contact between our two nations is most desirable for Elegantiae Arbiter, and it is with greatest respect that we bid our regards to the Commander.
McGonagall
15-02-2005, 07:16
We are a fairly new nation in the UN and having noticed that passage of all four resolutions in which we have participated. have been passed with a large majority.

It seems that once the authors of a resolution reach a quorum a resolution hardly ever fails. It is almost as if nations will lose face if they allow their resolution to fail, we appreciate that resolutions are hard work and time consuming to bring to this forum.

However delegates must realise that poorly written legislation that opposes previous sound resolutions will eventually have to be repealed.

So we say to all delegates take care when supporting new proposals become involved in the redrafting before submission if you wish to reduce the quantity of repeals and properly progress the purpose of the United Nations.
Nargopia
15-02-2005, 07:35
The problem is, of course, that many feel that there aren't that many new topics fit for debate by the United Nations, so instead they just go over old ones.
And what's wrong with that? The NationStates universe is a dynamic, ever-changing group of countries. Not only are fresh perspectives being added all the time, but experience allows us to look back on old resolutions and see a need for change. I think it's our duty to be constantly looking back and seeing what needs to be altered or repealed.
Elegantiae Arbiter
15-02-2005, 07:52
There is nothing inherently wrong, honored delegate from Nargopia, with repeals and with looking back at what we have done in the past.

The problem lies in doing so for the sake of it and doing so at the expense of the future.

All repeals and new resoultions should be constructive and should serve some purpose in the international forum.
Enn
15-02-2005, 08:01
And what's wrong with that? The NationStates universe is a dynamic, ever-changing group of countries. Not only are fresh perspectives being added all the time, but experience allows us to look back on old resolutions and see a need for change. I think it's our duty to be constantly looking back and seeing what needs to be altered or repealed.
Maybe problem wasn't the best choice of word. Think of my comment as just that - a comment. Sometimes it can just take a while to find something new to debate, that hasn't been gone over before. So, in the meantime, we like to go back over past debates.
Krioval
15-02-2005, 08:09
The delegate from Krioval must wonder if the passage of the Global Library resolution was due, in part, to unintended side effects from the passage of the previous resolution. Further, I wonder if the near-constant debate on the merits of prostitution has something to do as well with Resolution Eighty-Five.
Asshelmetta
15-02-2005, 12:39
There is no way to amend a resolution.

There are a lot of passed resolutions that were good in concept but were not well thought out. Poor wording is one sign of this. Unintentional high costs are another sign. Excessive infringement of national sovereignty a third sign.

Legalized prostitution was repealed, and it was replaced almost immediately with a much better resolution.

The Global Library is being repealed, and discussions on an improved replacement are already well under way.

If there were some way to amend a resolution, I might agree with you. There are plenty of subjects not yet covered by UN resolutions. But since our only way of improving passed resolutions is to repeal them, I say - Improve Away!
Gwenstefani
15-02-2005, 13:20
While I whole-heartedly approve of the repeals system, I do not appreciate the fact that proposals that have just been accepted as resolutions can be repealed instantaneously. Surely a period of time should pass before a resolution can be repealed, or are we to believe that UN members are so fickle as to change their mind every five minutes?
The Holy Beer
15-02-2005, 14:33
Of course we donĀ“t change our mind every five minutes, but it is a very interesting turn that we could see in the progression of this UN-Debates, so I thnk, that we have to do something against this abuse of repeals and jsut think about our decions before we pass a resolution.
Tosser Land
15-02-2005, 16:21
Personally I'd like to see the repeals be put together into one combined act. Many of the early resolutions that people dislike due to bad wording or other simple reasons could be combined into one repeal resolution so that we don't find a single repeal for every resolution. I don't like many repeals simply because they just add clutter to our history.

Delegate Tosser Land
The Great Collective (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/86807/page=display_region/region=the_great_collective)