NationStates Jolt Archive

Well do we? If you ask me, we need to focus on money and nationalism, and we don't need political correctness, health and safety and human rights getting in our way. If you disagree with this I would like to know why.
:sniper: :mp5:

Well, because of the little issue of your country having people living in it.
It's probably not a great idea to oppress your citizens too badly if you like their support...

(wait, should this thread even be in the UN forum?)

Is this is a debate for the UN? Or just a general debate about the world?

In either case - other words for nationalism are patriotism, fascism, racism, nazism and xenophobia. And other words for politica correctness are tolerance, politeness and manners. Given that, would you rather inhabit a world filled with the first or the second?

a) yes this is about the issue currently at vote

b) i would prefer to live in the first scenario

a) yes this is about the issue currently at vote

An issue at vote?

Do you mean this?

Description: Human rights is something we should be entitled to. anything we want to do. donate all our money to charity? go aorund on a mass killing spree? whatever we do, its our choice. and the government has no right to interfere with it. How to keep kids protected? well its their choice. they could give their kids guns if they wanted. its our life. why should we spend life cooped up and bound by rules? so they safeguard us. but we're not weaklings ( at least most of us ) and we should ahve the right to make our own choices and decisions. express our thoughts feelings in any way we want. As Bon Jovi once sang " It's my life"

It's your choice. It's your vote.
If you do mean that proposal, it is, in the words of the great DemonLordEnigma, "Illegal beyond words."
b) i would prefer to live in the first scenario
Now, what if you were one of the minorities?
Would you enjoy being oppressed?

I am not one of those minorities, and i believe what i believe, you can call me racist, nazi, fascist, xenophobic, whatever you want, i've been called it all before. i don't care. :mp5: :sniper:

I am not one of those minorities, and i believe what i believe, you can call me racist, nazi, fascist, xenophobic, whatever you want, i've been called it all before. i don't care. :mp5: :sniper:
The question isn't whether you are or aren't, it's whether you'll like it when someone sees fit to oppress you.

I am not one of those minorities, and i believe what i believe, you can call me racist, nazi, fascist, xenophobic, whatever you want, i've been called it all before. i don't care. :mp5: :sniper:
forget for a moment the minotities and nationalism thing.
lets think you are citizen in countrey without human rights. you had no privacy, no free speach, no right to choose your goverment, work or friends, no right for enterprise, and even no right for life. your leader you can't oppose, resist or failed can do anything he want, without other powers that could slow him down. are you still sure there no need for human rights?

b) i would prefer to live in the first scenario

Then I pity you and all those whom you rule over.

forget for a moment the minotities and nationalism thing.
lets think you are citizen in countrey without human rights. you had no privacy, no free speach, no right to choose your goverment, work or friends, no right for enterprise, and even no right for life. your leader you can't oppose, resist or failed can do anything he want, without other powers that could slow him down. are you still sure there no need for human rights?

Am I a citizen in a country like that? No, i am a citizen of the United Kingdom. You shouldn't think about things that aren't there, that are just make believe, it broadens the mind and sets you off course.

Am I a citizen in a country like that? No, i am a citizen of the United Kingdom. You shouldn't think about things that aren't there, that are just make believe, it broadens the mind and sets you off course.
What?
You seem to dislike hypothetical situations.
Maybe because it's possible that you are wrong?

I say end all human wrights

Am I wrong, well am I, maybe we are all wrong, I know i'm not. But maybe you aren't maybe you are. Maybe everyone isn't wrong and maybe everyone isn't right. Maybe we should all shut up. And if you think i'm bad, move to the region of Breakfast, its the most right-wing place on earth. real or in nation-states.

see hes in Breakfast, hes the co-owner along with me. We rule it. and we could soon rule you.

I'll ask again, when you said "the issue at vote", did you mean this proposal:
Description: Human rights is something we should be entitled to. anything we want to do. donate all our money to charity? go aorund on a mass killing spree? whatever we do, its our choice. and the government has no right to interfere with it. How to keep kids protected? well its their choice. they could give their kids guns if they wanted. its our life. why should we spend life cooped up and bound by rules? so they safeguard us. but we're not weaklings ( at least most of us ) and we should ahve the right to make our own choices and decisions. express our thoughts feelings in any way we want. As Bon Jovi once sang " It's my life"

It's your choice. It's your vote.

Yes join Breakfast the best thing since apple pie :cool:

thanks cheesebean, i'm sure we have got lots of new supporters tonight, now that I have preached our views :mp5:

that might be where i got it from, however human rights is something that involves us all. UNFORTUANETLY

Us people of Breakfast are not racist we just don't like some types of people :sniper:

Do we really need human rights?

No. But they're kinda nice to have.

i know but tell the good people who. put it in its most inpolitically correct terms

explain why human rights are nice to have, in exactly 200 words

People of race other than pure English

explain why human rights are nice to have, in exactly 200 words

No.

I would like to see that in 200 words go on

so its freedom of speech in my eyes. and i've been in trouble for it a fair few times before. And i want that essay on my desk in the morning. mr texas person

Its not racism its freedom of speech

so its freedom of speech in my eyes. and i've been in trouble for it a fair few times before. And i want that essay on my desk in the morning. mr texas person

**** ***, *******.

[This post has been redacted in accordance with the guidelines laid out by the Council on Political Correctness of NationSates. Have a nice day.]

I am not a racist person I just have strong views ;)

in my eyes thats freedom of speech, however in them moaners eyes its "racism" what is racism. people make such a fuss over the truth. you call some one a p*** its the truth, its what they are, but we aren't allowed to say it. i have heard themselves calling them selves that word, which i have had to bleep out (bear in mind it might say peas) for some dodgy reason

nationstates had to beep it out for you, thats just lazy. i bleeped my word myself. you do the same

bye

I say end all human wrights

Does that include Ian Wright? Cause I think some football fans might disagree :}

:sniper: what does the government get? huh? how do civil rights stimulate the economy? the govenment doesnt get any benefits!!

leninsville

:sniper: what does the government get? huh? how do civil rights stimulate the economy? the govenment doesnt get any benefits!!

leninsville
well, if your citizens all run away since they hate your country, the government gets even less. You've got to strike a compromise.

Or, if you're like me, accidentally implode your economy.

:sniper: what does the government get? huh? how do civil rights stimulate the economy? the govenment doesnt get any benefits!!

leninsville

The government does not get overthrown, the palace doesn't get stormed in the middle of the night and the members of the government do not get executed and their heads stuck on pikes as a warning to future generations that treating people badly just leads to rebellion and having people's heads on pikes.

Of course - I am just guessing. It's not like TilEnca has ever had a situation where the government more or less suspended all human rights, went round killing people for no reason, and put in so many restrictive laws that it made life not worth living. And it's not like that government was overthrown, it's leader sent to Hell (literally - it's a long story) and the rest of the people put in jail for a fair long while (all those who were not killed in The Liberation).

The government does not get overthrown, the palace doesn't get stormed in the middle of the night and the members of the government do not get executed and their heads stuck on pikes as a warning to future generations that treating people badly just leads to rebellion and having people's heads on pikes.

Of course - I am just guessing. It's not like TilEnca has ever had a situation where the government more or less suspended all human rights, went round killing people for no reason, and put in so many restrictive laws that it made life not worth living. And it's not like that government was overthrown, it's leader sent to Hell (literally - it's a long story) and the rest of the people put in jail for a fair long while (all those who were not killed in The Liberation).

As a representative of the libertarian/anarchic countries in in the region of Two Sided Plains, I could not agree more. People often sacrifice human rights in the name of economy. Which is a truly sad case.

Oh my goddess. I thought this was about the current proposal on the Floor, but it might be about this :-


The Racism Act

A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.


Category: Political Stability


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: Spasticola

Description: Allows all nations freedom to endorse and support right-wing movements and support a faschist government. It does not, however, make racial inequality compulsory or by any means right. It merely allows free speech and publicity for all views.

Approvals: 7 (Memorial Park, Cihlar, WZ Forums, Magnificata, Iznogoud, Spasticola, Zhukhistan)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 139 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Feb 12 2005


which just makes it even more disturbing......

i can't be bothered to argue with left-wingers

Heh. I'm a left-winger now. Won't everybody in the UN forum be surprised. :D

So not only do you not want to deal with Ian Wright, you don't want to bother with anyone who plays on the left wing? you footballing facist you!

it broadens the mind

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

let's hear that again

it broadens the mind

:ROTF: Mein Gott. can we get a replay?

it broadens the mind... it broadens the mind, IT BROADENS THE MIND!!!!!!111111

As for you not being allowed to use the term paki, that word has been used for a very long time by people who would love to see immigrants from those parts beaten to death. you think perhaps that might be why it might be inappropriate to use it? that and common fucking good manners.

End all human rights? Yeah, there's a good idea, fuckwad. if someone says something controversial that could potentially improve things, let's just slap them the fuck in jail then shoot them in the head without trial. Somebody complains about that? shoot them in the head. somebody litters? headshooting! There's no good reason for execution but people need to be kept on their toes? why not make up some crime and shoot a person in the head for it.

What the hell is so good about nationalism anyway? why be proud over being born in a specific part of the world or with a specific set of shallow appearence traits having no bearing on your usefulness? Yay, I must be hot shit because i was born white in essex. I've achieved so much, by being randomly born white and in essex. I should take pride in the fact that, rather than not being born white or in essex, I was randomly born in essex white.

Can you not see how much that reeks of complete fucking idiocity? or are you not going to entertain the idea that perhaps you aren't born fucking fantastic because it broadens the mind

[edit] just out of idle curiousity, have either of you two attained the rank of "post-pubescant" yet?

Well do we? If you ask me, we need to focus on money and nationalism, and we don't need political correctness, health and safety and human rights getting in our way. If you disagree with this I would like to know why.
:sniper: :mp5:

Seems like you're hankering after the middle ages.

I'd explain but, I get the feeling that I'll end up like this :headbang:

Suffice it to say, that way of doing things has been tried many times and our society has now evolved to a state whereby we know it doesn't work in the long term...

and nobody can change them especially not left-wingers. And by the way, i have never heard of Ian write and i am not i quote " a footballing racist" as i don't like football. it has too much influence, we ought to let the government (not labour though) deal with that!

So once agin, I stand by my beliefs.

NARROW YOUR MINDS

NARROW YOUR MINDS

Why?

thats why

Go on, it'll be a laugh. ;)

Ye gods, what a moron. He repeats the same thing over and over again, and doesn't reply to anyone's views. makes me ashamed to be British really. So who would you want in charge, Mr. Pathetic? BNP, UKIP or even Veritas, Kilroy Silks failed attempt at a joke? :rolleyes:

Oh, and using the gun emoticons is sooooo mature...

they're the most right wing out of all of them. and kilroy silks funny, even if he is a bit of a twat.

mm...no, i dont think my govenment will be overthown. theyre to scared of me.

leninsville

Why?
Cause then you don't have to worry about the feelings of the minorities you're oppressing, I suppose.

Hey, if we've ruled out hypothetical situations, and ruled out open-mindedness...

I say if you want to treat your citizens poorly...then do so. If you want to treat them well...then do that. But if you're citizens are scared of you they're not going to do anything, and if you do all you have to do is shoot them. :sniper:

I say if you want to treat your citizens poorly...then do so. If you want to treat them well...then do that. But if you're citizens are scared of you they're not going to do anything, and if you do all you have to do is shoot them. :sniper:
Of course, but the problem is that this is the U.N., with laws protecting human rights.

You can do whatever you want outside the U.N., but if you've joined, there are limits.

mm...no, i dont think my govenment will be overthown. theyre to scared of me.

leninsville

My people used to be scared of The Church. Now? Not so much.