NationStates Jolt Archive

This is just to see how many people would support this once the issue arises.

Proposal: Impose Limitations on Military Size

By placing a limit on how many people are allowed to be in the active military during peacetime, there would be less aggressiveness and also it would be harder for an enemy to mobilize quickly without the international community noticing and organizing to stop the threat. I say no more than 1 million should be allowed in active military during times of peace (though I am open for discussion on this number). They may have however many in there reserves, unless it exceeds a reasonable number when factoring in economical status, population and military funding.

Please, this is neccassary for world peace!

In Nargopia, the active duty military serve in communications, scouting, colonizing, domestic security, customs, and internal travel monitoring during times of peace. The proposal would have to be very well worded for us to agree to it. Perhaps changing "active military" to "standby troops," and then providing a clear definition would do the trick. Good idea.

No. I think this is illegal, anyway.

Besides, think of how many people would suddenly be without jobs or a place to live.

We would loose valuable and experienced officers.

It would be more effective to Limit All forms of military.
Removing soldiers does not remove other weapons, Nukes, Bio Weapons, Chem Weapons. A larger scale of Military control would be nessecary to accomplish what you seek.
I however would still vote against, as the restriction of military would open the doors for terrorism to take place with ease. A great majority of my military forces, are stationed to protetecton against terrorism.
Untill a better solution to fully eliminate terrorism is formed, the military forces of each nation should remain fully intact even with threat of military action amongst each other. At least people wont die for nothing..

I just thought of something else: NationStates has over 100,000 countries (I'm not sure how many exactly). At no time will the world ever be at peace. Nargopian military policy is to be on at least some level of alert during any international conflict (which is all the time).

The only way to fix that would be to Ban Warfare. Although People would probably find a way(Terrorism). It would eliminate use of military activity and personel.
Further, to fight Terrorism possiblities, A mandatory inspection would take place in every nation everywhere, to find and remove all weaponry of any kind. Replacing knives and such with harmless laser cutters and such.
Theoreticly, Hostile action at the national scale CAN be eliminated.
However, im not sure if this would appropriate assuming that nations outside of the UN are not affected. We would have to invade them. There are two problems with this: We are getting rid of our weapons, and it s breaking their rights as non-Un members.
Still it is a theoretical possibility.

This is just to see how many people would support this once the issue arises.

Proposal: Impose Limitations on Military Size

By placing a limit on how many people are allowed to be in the active military during peacetime, there would be less aggressiveness and also it would be harder for an enemy to mobilize quickly without the international community noticing and organizing to stop the threat. I say no more than 1 million should be allowed in active military during times of peace (though I am open for discussion on this number). They may have however many in there reserves, unless it exceeds a reasonable number when factoring in economical status, population and military funding.

Please, this is neccassary for world peace!

We have manditory conscription, and active colonization. We therefore maintain a military of about 0.8% of our population at any time.

This currently is a total of ten million troopers.

We refuse to be disarmed by peaceniks.

This is just to see how many people would support this once the issue arises.

Proposal: Impose Limitations on Military Size

By placing a limit on how many people are allowed to be in the active military during peacetime, there would be less aggressiveness and also it would be harder for an enemy to mobilize quickly without the international community noticing and organizing to stop the threat. I say no more than 1 million should be allowed in active military during times of peace (though I am open for discussion on this number). They may have however many in there reserves, unless it exceeds a reasonable number when factoring in economical status, population and military funding.

Please, this is neccassary for world peace!
You know that this resolution would be binding on all 30,000+ NSUN member nationstates, but on none of the 70,000+ rouge nations?

We're outnumbered and outgunned badly enough as it it - we don't need to disarm and make it even easier for them to invade and destroy us!

You know that this resolution would be binding on all 30,000+ NSUN member nationstates, but on none of the 70,000+ rouge nations?

We're outnumbered and outgunned badly enough as it it - we don't need to disarm and make it even easier for them to invade and destroy us!
If anything, we might consider strengthening UN military alliances and bolstering forces for added protection.

This is just to see how many people would support this once the issue arises.

Proposal: Impose Limitations on Military Size

By placing a limit on how many people are allowed to be in the active military during peacetime, there would be less aggressiveness and also it would be harder for an enemy to mobilize quickly without the international community noticing and organizing to stop the threat. I say no more than 1 million should be allowed in active military during times of peace (though I am open for discussion on this number). They may have however many in there reserves, unless it exceeds a reasonable number when factoring in economical status, population and military funding.

Please, this is neccassary for world peace!
So a nation that's just started could have one fifth of its population in the military, while I could only have less than a two-thousandth? Use a fraction, not an arbitrary number, please.

I support a disbandment of the majority of military forces in UN states.

My suggestion on how to have this work is that each country is allowed to have a militia. this would be a force made up of either a volentary or conscripted portion of the population. These people would be trained in use of arms but would not be a standing army.

The UN would then have a standing army made up of people who only have a loyalty to the UN (for example orphans who have been brought up within the organisation) these would train the militias and also keep control of all weapons. they would be in effect a combined UN police/army so it doesn't break the rules of the UN having military forces as this will be more like the international peace keeping/police forces that the 'real' UN has.

This force would be of a set size. Say 10 million and would be only used by consensus of the UN (or in a emergancy by its senior officer/elected UN representatives). When it is an emergency will be decided by strict un policy.

The militias would be very good at defending their country (as many wars have shown (think vietnam and warsaw)) however against a determined enermy they will fail unless supported by the international comunity (think republican spain).

This force may have to be expanded at some point if it is deemed to be too small (i.e. if it has many hotspots) but that should be decided by UN resolution

Excerpted From "The Handy Guide to Pissing Off UN Member Nations"

Method #67 - Limit the nations military so that they are more vulnerable to attack from non-UN members.

Excerpted From "The Handy Guide to Pissing Off UN Member Nations"

Method #67 - Limit the nations military so that they are more vulnerable to attack from non-UN members.

That pretty much says it all right there. And said it quite well. :)

Psychedelic Happenings support this proposal.

In DLE, the military is the standard of economic control. Without it, you're talking an economic disaster.

Oh, go ahead and pass this. I'll just use one of my puppets not in the UN or DLE proper (one of my puppets is in the UN, thus making me a member) and invade your nation. I'm thinking your people would go good on my dinner tables, and the population would enjoy the rarity.

Oh, go ahead and pass this. I'll just use one of my puppets not in the UN or DLE proper (one of my puppets is in the UN, thus making me a member) and invade your nation. I'm thinking your people would go good on my dinner tables, and the population would enjoy the rarity.
I've tried Karchosian. It's really not that great.

I've tried Karchosian. It's really not that great.

Sounds like they're all going in the "Cure HIV" program then. That program could use some new blood and new examples of how the disease mutates...

Excerpted From "The Handy Guide to Pissing Off UN Member Nations"

Method #67 - Limit the nations military so that they are more vulnerable to attack from non-UN members.
Ooh, I'll have to remember that one!

We concur with the esteemed representative from Texan Hotrodders, while noting that a percentage value for military population would make more sense anyway. For instance, this proposal would limit the military of the Liberal Unitary Republic to .0003% of our total population, while allowing the military of a younger nation to be as much as 20% of their total population. Note that no respectable nation has such a large military.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

It would be more effective to Limit All forms of military.
Removing soldiers does not remove other weapons, Nukes, Bio Weapons, Chem Weapons. A larger scale of Military control would be nessecary to accomplish what you seek.
I however would still vote against, as the restriction of military would open the doors for terrorism to take place with ease. A great majority of my military forces, are stationed to protetecton against terrorism.
Untill a better solution to fully eliminate terrorism is formed, the military forces of each nation should remain fully intact even with threat of military action amongst each other. At least people wont die for nothing..



Terrorism is a seperate issue entirely, and doesn't relate directly to the military. When I say "active military", i mean soldiers who are out in the world actively doing something, not just sitting in a base. The level of terrorism can be lowered by putting the reservist's on police duty or some other homeland security job. That way, all those that aren't in the active military, but still want to do something, can protect their country in an equaly honorable position.
Please note that, even though it would seem a small nation gets more of it's population in the military, it is equal. But I see your point and specified numbers might be more fair. But what about the 3 billion+ nations? Even 1% is an overwhelming amount! I think that there should be certain percentage ranges for certain population numbers (example: 10-20 million pop.= 5% military; 21-30 million pop. = 4.9 % military).
I am still open for suggestions to make this a practical proposal, though.
Also, I know world peace isn't exactley possible, but this proposal certainly moves us one step forward. Which is better than nothing at all in my opinion.

This is a clear violation of a membernation's soverienty! Leaving them vunerable to non UN agressors. Besides war is peace. Beat down your neighbors and you will live in peace.

This is a clear violation of a membernation's soverienty! Leaving them vunerable to non UN agressors. Besides war is peace. Beat down your neighbors and you will live in peace.

Make friends with your neighbours and you will live in peace. Beat them down and they will wait a few years then have their revenge.

Make friends with your neighbours and you will live in peace. Beat them down and they will wait a few years then have their revenge.

Exterminate them and you'll be feared and at peace.

Exterminate them and you'll be feared and at peace.

Excellent. How do you make foreign policy easier? Get rid of the foreigners.

Francaden will not vote on this. In our nation we have a warrior spirit. I ask that supporters of this provide and example where limited militaries insured peace. I know the whole ww2 is an example of how it doesn't.

Exterminate them and you'll be feared and at peace.

(smirk) "Might makes right"? You know there is always someone more mighty waiting in the wings :}

More mighty or not, you have a very hard time building shields to protect a planet. Talk to me about how mighty they are when their homeworld is a giant ball of superheated plasma.

More mighty or not, you have a very hard time building shields to protect a planet. Talk to me about how mighty they are when their homeworld is a giant ball of superheated plasma.

(grin) I am not trying to start a fight. I just think that while it's true you can get rid of all your enemies by getting rid of all your enemies, you can also get rid of them by making them into friends, and generally it's a lot less messy.

I know you're not trying to start a fight. But here's a problem: Friends can betray you and stab you in the back. The dead simply continue to rot in their graves.

I'm not presenting my viewpoint, but a viewpoint of some.

well actually switzerland has a military of every male over 15

probably higher then 20%

I'd say at least 40%

Did you really have to dig this thread up?

Eh. Pojonian millitary is composed entirely of Prinnies and rocks. A limitation would mean that we'd only have a million rocks to throw in the unlikely event of an invasion - and with two million citizens, we'd kill each other over who gets the rocks.

Aagh, sorry, I'm having difficulty being serious again.

I think that a SUGGESTION to reduce military force levels to say 8% of a nations population would fit here as that seems to be about what most are at right now. Some nations may have less other more but believe that would be the average.. Aslo since this doesn't include police forces who deal within our nations border with problems. We could see a reduction of our military forces by moving them to active police forces thus hunting down terrorists inside our borders and also on conditions assisting other nations in hunting them down inside their borders.. As that force is around 16% of our national polulation and expected to rise if a new budget bill gets passed soon. As we have requests for police assistane from several nations we trade with that lack their own forces to police their lands so they have asked for us to help police them..

Yes I see moving 1% even 2% of our active military forces to active police forces as a step toward military force reduction thus we are already moving to comply with this proposal.. Thus I see this proposal as not needed as each nation should be able to see the value of moving trained skilled military over to police borders or protect trade rights.. thus reduce their military... and make this one not needed.... so it for me would be a waste of time.. to support it...

I started reading this thread on page one. I saw Vastiva, DLE, Asshelmetta, TilEnca......ZOUNDS! The mighty nations of old have returned! They walk amongst us again! Then I looked at the dates. <sigh>

Does it read dd/mm/yy or mm/dd/yy as I saw the 08 Aug.. Then didn't realy look at dates.. but see your point if this Feb.. As if it mm/dd/yy then their is a problem with dating.. 10-02-05 not here yet, but by then I was not looking at dates. I guess it got to head of class because it was being replied to..

I started reading this thread on page one. I saw Vastiva, DLE, Asshelmetta, TilEnca......ZOUNDS! The mighty nations of old have returned! They walk amongst us again! Then I looked at the dates. <sigh>
And that would be a real feat as 2 of those nations were deleted for rule violations. :)

And that would be a real feat as 2 of those nations were deleted for rule violations. :)
Ah! A riddle. We Yeldans like riddles.
Lets see:
DemonLordEnigma - Most Recent Government Activity: 37 days ago. Vacation mode? Lets hope she returns.

Asshelmetta - Deated for his name and linking to "The Board Which Shall Not Be Mentioned". I thought it was wrong to deat him. He had been posting here for months and it's not as if his name wasn't well known. It might have been a mistake to link to "The Board Which Shall Not Be Mentioned", but even that didn't seem worthy of deletion to me.

Vastiva - Yes, the current unpleasantness involving Vastiva. What I have seen of the evidence doesn't indicate to me that his comments were even actionable, much less cause for deletion. Here's hoping that his appeal is being given proper consideration by the Mods and the Admins and that there will be a ruling in his favor soon.

TilEnca - I must have missed this one. I'm assuming that TilEnca expired naturally through lack of activity.

So, I guess the answer to the riddle is Asshelmetta and Vastiva. What do I get?

This is just to see how many people would support this once the issue arises.

Proposal: Impose Limitations on Military Size

By placing a limit on how many people are allowed to be in the active military during peacetime, there would be less aggressiveness and also it would be harder for an enemy to mobilize quickly without the international community noticing and organizing to stop the threat. I say no more than 1 million should be allowed in active military during times of peace (though I am open for discussion on this number). They may have however many in there reserves, unless it exceeds a reasonable number when factoring in economical status, population and military funding.

Please, this is neccassary for world peace!

Tekanian Stellar Forces (Comprised of the Stellar Navy and Stellar Marine Corps) primary duties are exploration and research; as such the proposal would seriously inhibit our endeavours in these areas as a civilization. Such a proposal would reduce force size to about one half of one percent of present size; and make it virtually impossible to keep our Defensive Stations in orbit of our member-planets crewed, and other such defensive outposts, as well as being unable to keep the present manpower on our deep-space exploration vessels such as the Kali, Anubis and Scimitar class vessels... limiting exploration capacity only to a number of smaller less capable vessels such as the Steamrunner and Republic...

As Compadria doesn't have an armed services of any kind, we're quite happy to support this idea as a means for reducing global war. I feel though this won't be a popular suggestion.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N

Long live pacifist Compadria!

Ah! A riddle. We Yeldans like riddles.
Lets see:
DemonLordEnigma - Most Recent Government Activity: 37 days ago. Vacation mode? Lets hope she returns.She left a cryptic message in the UNOG forum before she left.

Asshelmetta - Deated for his name and linking to "The Board Which Shall Not Be Mentioned". I thought it was wrong to deat him. He had been posting here for months and it's not as if his name wasn't well known. It might have been a mistake to link to "The Board Which Shall Not Be Mentioned", but even that didn't seem worthy of deletion to me.Actually is still around as YGSM but hasn't been seen in the UN forum for quite some time.

Vastiva - Yes, the current unpleasantness involving Vastiva. What I have seen of the evidence doesn't indicate to me that his comments were even actionable, much less cause for deletion. Here's hoping that his appeal is being given proper consideration by the Mods and the Admins and that there will be a ruling in his favor soon.Ain't nothing else to say on this one.

TilEnca - I must have missed this one. I'm assuming that TilEnca expired naturally through lack of activity.TilEnca got bored and left.

So, I guess the answer to the riddle is Asshelmetta and Vastiva. What do I get?The satisfaction that comes from answering a riddle that I didn't even know I'd set.

Now could a mod please lock this grave dug topic?