NationStates Jolt Archive

Proposal name: Establishment of Bars

Category: Recreational Drug Use

Effect: Legalize

Description: The intent of this resolution is to legalize, and promote, the establishment of bars for recreational drug use.

Recognizing the difference between industrial hemp and marijuana (although both are made from the same plant), and stating that consumption of marijuana has not been declared illegal by any prior resolution.

1. Allowing that all persons aged 21 and above, in any nation, are of the age to purchase and consume alcohol in the privacy of their homes or an establish designed to cater to such an activity. Consumption of alcohol outside said legal establishments is prohibited.

2. Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production, in nations where the use of marijuana is legal but restricted, persons aged 21 and above can purchase and consume marijuana in said establishments. Consumption of marijuana outside said legal establishments is prohibited.

3. Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production, in nations where the use of marijuana is legal and unrestricted, persons of any age may purchase marijuana in legal establishments, but only consume in the privacy of their own home unless said person is aged 21 or above. Consumption of marijuana outside said legal establishments is prohibited.

4. Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production, in nations where marijuana use is illegal, no person may own any public establish designed to distribute marijuana to persons of any age. Nor may any person consume marijuana in the privacy of their home or elsewhere.

5. Any person aged 18 or over may enter a bar such as described above, but only consume according to their nation's laws.

In order for a person to own any establishment designed to distribute any form of drug legally, said person must apply for and obtain a License of Distribution (either for alcohol, marijuana, or alcohol and marijuana) from their nation's government. Additionally, all such establishments must agree to regular health and safety inspections by the local government.

I got rid of the offending word for you guys. Now can you take it seriously?

Every nation has a different age for Adulthood. In TilEnca it is 14, so you are treating seven years worth of adults as children. If you change every definition of "age" to "age of majority" or something like that, then I would consider supporting it :}

Very, very bad idea.

More on the age issue: Not all species reach sexual maturity by the age of 21. Humans reach it at 18, Sarkarasetans at 16, Sarkarasetan Vampires at 17 (actually 16, but they must spend a year dealing with the bloodlust their disease causes and learning to control themselves), dragons (depending on the variety) at about 1.5-2 centuries, and certain species of elves and others anywhere from 30 to over 1000. And all of that is ignoring the UN species that live their entire lives in less than a decade, sometimes as many as two decades.

This whole micromanagement thing doesn't work well. I'm all for enforcing broad principles, but specific details such as you include are more practically worked out on a more local level.

I'd be happier to support a proposal which simply said governments would have to legalise marijuana (and other drugs too), and leave specific regulation to individual nations (much as the sex worker act up for voting now does).

Will someone explain why I should 'Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production'?

Rose,
Acting UN representative,
The Black New World

The use of marijuana, or any other drugs, should be up to the individual nation ~ and is already covered by the daily issues.

I also do not agree with the legal age you have outlined. My nation would perfer to maintain it's own Alcohol consumption policies.

Marijauna is used as a medicinal herb in my nation - not for recreation. Allowing the abuse of this plant goes against my nation's tradition, and pushes the cultural age gap (a problem in my nation, right now) even further apart. Also, the growing of these herbs are for doctors only ~ this would take away that right, and hinder their healing practices.

In general, I cannot support any purposal which allows bars to sell marijuana to a certain age group, or one that restricts the age of alcohol consumption in my nation. That, I believe, is purely up to me.

I also would like to note my doubts that you could make any proposal similar to this pleasing to the majority of nations in NationStates.

The use of marijuana, or any other drugs, should be up to the individual nation ~ and is already covered by the daily issues.
Yes, but another of those issues addresses the excessive use of marijuana in public (I believe the example given was at work). This allows for people who restricted public use of marijuana but legalized private use, so that people may still use in public but restricted to bars.

Marijauna is used as a medicinal herb in my nation - not for recreation. Allowing the abuse of this plant goes against my nation's tradition, and pushes the cultural age gap (a problem in my nation, right now) even further apart. Also, the growing of these herbs are for doctors only ~ this would take away that right, and hinder their healing practices.
Which is why I added,

4. Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production, in nations where marijuana use is illegal, no person may own any public establish designed to distribute marijuana to persons of any age. Nor may any person consume marijuana in the privacy of their home or elsewhere.

But I forgot to allow medicinal practice. With what I had in mind, a nation like yours would be unaffected by the proposal aside from the alcohol issue which I only added because I didn't see it in any other proposal and hadn't seen it as an issue specific to a nation either.

In general, I cannot support any purposal which allows bars to sell marijuana to a certain age group, or one that restricts the age of alcohol consumption in my nation. That, I believe, is purely up to me.
Yeah, I didn't really consider that. I figured they were reasonable ages.

I also would like to note my doubts that you could make any proposal similar to this pleasing to the majority of nations in NationStates.
I had to start somewhere.

Will someone explain why I should 'Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production'?
Because resolution #85 supports hemp production. Both products (hemp and marijuana) come from the same plant, and it would be economically wiser to use all cannabis gathered, instead of rejecting cannabis harvested with a higher THC level.

Otherwise it's like killing a lamb for the meat and leaving the cotton to waste.

Keep in mind, this proposal is only affecting nations who have legalized marijuana. I hadn't really considered the alcohol thing too much, because I hadn't seen mention of alcohol anywhere yet.

Nice of you to assume that we have a problem with leftover hemp but our industrial hemp contains little THC.

Rose,
Acting UN representative,
The Black New World

Nice of you to assume that we have a problem with leftover hemp but our industrial hemp contains little THC.

I believe that all industrial hemp contains no THC.

Yes, but another of those issues addresses the excessive use of marijuana in public (I believe the example given was at work). This allows for people who restricted public use of marijuana but legalized private use, so that people may still use in public but restricted to bars.

OOC: I'm sure you likely came up with this proposal after a daily issue asked you to decide whether marijuana use is legal or illegal. I don't want to wreck it for you, but if you choose Legal, than a few days/a week later there will be another issue about people smoking weed at work, and you get to decide whether to restrict it or not. Which is why I said THIS resolution is ALREADY covered by daily issues, and should be up to the individual nation's to decide.

4. Considering United Nations Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production, in nations where marijuana use is illegal, no person may own any public establish designed to distribute marijuana to persons of any age. Nor may any person consume marijuana in the privacy of their home or elsewhere.

This doesn't fix my other problem with your proposal.

Marijuana use is Legal in my nation. Culturaly, Marijuana is used for medicinal purposes ONLY. If you allow it to be sold in bars, than it would be legal for anybody, and people are likely to try it.

You claim to want to help nations who have rampant marijauna use, yet you are CAUSING it in mine.

OOC: I'm sure you likely came up with this proposal after a daily issue asked you to decide whether marijuana use is legal or illegal. I don't want to wreck it for you, but if you choose Legal, than a few days/a week later there will be another issue about people smoking weed at work, and you get to decide whether to restrict it or not. Which is why I said THIS resolution is ALREADY covered by daily issues, and should be up to the individual nation's to decide.
You didn't read very carefully. I said I came up with the proposal after I read that second issue. Listen. I decided to restrict marijuana use at work because it was lowering performance, and the choice said that I was banning all public use of marijuana, so I thought it would be nice for people who wanted to ban general public use but still allow people of a mature age to consume around other people outside their homes. That's why I added the age limit; that way it's restricted but legal in that nation (read my proposal again if you didn't see that the first time), and some people can still consume in a contained public.

You claim to want to help nations who have rampant marijauna use, yet you are CAUSING it in mine.
Unless you've illegalized marijuana use entirely, anybody can still consume in the privacy of their own homes (going by that second issue that I saw arise). The first issue brought up whether or not marijuana use should be legal or illegal, and the second either banned or allowed public use.

Nice of you to assume that we have a problem with leftover hemp but our industrial hemp contains little THC.
Yeah, it sure is, especially since I wasn't talking about leftover hemp, but the plant it comes from: cannabis.

I believe that all industrial hemp contains no THC.
Well, I believe industrial hemp is supposed to contain under 1% THC, and marijuana between 3% and 20% or so.

Marijuana is already legal in all of my countries.

Explain to me why I'm building marijuana bars and issuing them permits?

Because this guy here cares enough about us to spread his joy by trying to dictate what goes on in your country, with a complete disregard for your citizens and their needs.

Yeah, it sure is, especially since I wasn't talking about leftover hemp, but the plant it comes from: cannabis.

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Well, I believe industrial hemp is supposed to contain under 1% THC, and marijuana between 3% and 20% or so.

Yeah... That or we could be working with a plant that contains little or no TCH*, or exporting the nasty bits to a country that allows legalised drugs, or using it as medicines...

Rose,
Acting UN representative,
The Black New World

*OOC: Real world they are working on a zero THC variety. In The Black New World, being a near future tech nation, we have achieved this

Because resolution #85 supports hemp production. Both products (hemp and marijuana) come from the same plant, and it would be economically wiser to use all cannabis gathered, instead of rejecting cannabis harvested with a higher THC level.

Otherwise it's like killing a lamb for the meat and leaving the cotton to waste.

Keep in mind, this proposal is only affecting nations who have legalized marijuana. I hadn't really considered the alcohol thing too much, because I hadn't seen mention of alcohol anywhere yet.

The trouble with this logic is the slight changes in industrial hemp remove the plants production of THC.

I believe the rhyme is "good rope, bad dope".

As such, they are related but different plant types. Because you farm one does not automatically mean you get the other.

We have genetically altered our industrial hemp species a bit, giving it a thick black banding on the stem, much like zebra stripes. The genes do not activate in the presence of THC. Therefore, we are able to separate the two strains easily.

Of course, in Vastiva, "home grown" hemp is already legal in both forms. This mutation is to improve separation, not for any sort of legal enforcement proceedure.

Because this guy here cares enough about us to spread his joy by trying to dictate what goes on in your country, with a complete disregard for your citizens and their needs.
Yes, that must be it. Surely he's not trying to make drug use safer in the thousands of nations that have a problem with it; no no, that was silly of me. I'm sorry, I promise not to give those who devote their time and effort to writing proposals to increase domestic safety the benefit of the doubt anymore.

As such, they are related but different plant types. Because you farm one does not automatically mean you get the other.
Hm, so you mean one can grow a form of cannabis that has no possibility of having more than 1% of THC, thus allowing only industrial hemp? Then I suppose that does negate the issue of waste.

Because this guy here cares enough about us to spread his joy by trying to dictate what goes on in your country, with a complete disregard for your citizens and their needs.
Yar, I've been figured out. There go my plans for complete UN dictatorship.

I'm glad everyone here reads as thoroughly as this guy.

You didn't read very carefully. I said I came up with the proposal after I read that second issue.

Than you agree that your proposal is already covered by the daily issues; this proposal is redundant.

I really don't get the point of what you're doing. You seem to be saying that nations can decide on the major principle of whether or not to legalise cannabis, but the more minor details of regulation of either stance should be dictated by the UN - which, at least to me, seems utterly absurd.

Dictate broad principles by all means (like, all member nations muct legalise cannabis), but try not to fiddle with the details of regulations (like ages and specific places of consumption).

Than you agree that your proposal is already covered by the daily issues; this proposal is redundant.
You don't read very carefully. This is ridiculous.

No way, legalizing it will just make it 10 times worse than it already is!!

No way, legalizing it will just make it 10 times worse than it already is!!

Ok, first, the proposal doesn't force legalisation - it says that where cannabis is legal, x must happen, and where it isn't it will stay that way.

But second, I'd like to know why you believe this. I vehemently disagree, and feel that government doesn't have any business telling citizens that they can't use cannabis and other drugs.

We agree with legalized hemp, both forms, as it is a rather innocuous drug, far less harmful then tobacco. Its only danger comes, as with all things, with abuse.

As to our hemp farms - we've been selectively breeding out all THC content and increasing fiber counts in the industrial hemp farms, and breeding a higher THC count and lowering fiber counts in selective farms.