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I am not sure how to do this, but this is my argument for its repeal and I am looking for endorcements.

Education is a family and individual issue. No person or community should be forced to pay for the education of another individual. While it is conceded that an educated society is a better society, it has not been demonstrated that complusory, government financed education provides that education in the best and most efficient manner.

Prior to the turn of the 20th century, education was in the hand of families and individuals and not the state. The level of literacy and education was demonstratively better than under the compulsory system.

Also this resolution says they have the right to a "free" education. It is demonstratable that this education is only free to the individual, the education does cost someone something, therefore the resultion is a non-sequitor and should be repeal just because it can't be free. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

Originally posted by: Randian Philsophers
Prior to the turn of the 20th century, education was in the hand of families and individuals and not the state. The level of literacy and education was demonstratively better than under the compulsory system.

What gave you that idea? In addition, before the 20th century higher education was reserved for the rich. Now it is almost required to get a high paying job. Also, many parents nowadays are unwilling due to time constraints or unable to teach their kids all the things required for life in the 21st century. If you want to go off on semantics about what constitutes a "free education" be my guest, but I think you know the intent. This is one of the things that needs to change; people willing to repeal a perfectly good resolution because of one phrase that can be misunderstood. Not only does this bog down the submission list, but it clogs the forums as well. Now I am just ranting so I will shut up, but still this is ridiculous

I am not sure how to do this, but this is my argument for its repeal and I am looking for endorcements.

Education is a family and individual issue. No person or community should be forced to pay for the education of another individual. While it is conceded that an educated society is a better society, it has not been demonstrated that complusory, government financed education provides that education in the best and most efficient manner.

Prior to the turn of the 20th century, education was in the hand of families and individuals and not the state. The level of literacy and education was demonstratively better than under the compulsory system.

Also this resolution says they have the right to a "free" education. It is demonstratable that this education is only free to the individual, the education does cost someone something, therefore the resultion is a non-sequitor and should be repeal just because it can't be free. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

The point of "free education" is that everyone, regardless of what "class" they come from, gets a good education. So that the poor can learn as well as the rich. It is not free in that it doesn't cost the state something, but that is the point - the state should pay for the education of all of it's children that want it, because they are the future of the state. You don't educate them and your nation will fall apart. And if you only educate the rich, then you create an underclass of the uneducated, who will not be suitable for anything but menial jobs.

The point of "free education" is that everyone, regardless of what "class" they come from, gets a good education. So that the poor can learn as well as the rich. It is not free in that it doesn't cost the state something, but that is the point - the state should pay for the education of all of it's children that want it, because they are the future of the state. You don't educate them and your nation will fall apart. And if you only educate the rich, then you create an underclass of the uneducated, who will not be suitable for anything but menial jobs.

I completely agree. It is in the best interests of all nations to have well-educated workforces.

You probably aren't going to get much support for this. The resolution in question passed by a more than 4-1 margin, and although that was quite a while ago, I doubt things have changed that much.

I am not sure how to do this, but this is my argument for its repeal and I am looking for endorcements.

Education is a family and individual issue. No person or community should be forced to pay for the education of another individual. While it is conceded that an educated society is a better society, it has not been demonstrated that complusory, government financed education provides that education in the best and most efficient manner.

Prior to the turn of the 20th century, education was in the hand of families and individuals and not the state. The level of literacy and education was demonstratively better than under the compulsory system.

Also this resolution says they have the right to a "free" education. It is demonstratable that this education is only free to the individual, the education does cost someone something, therefore the resultion is a non-sequitor and should be repeal just because it can't be free. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."


I'm sorry, but I can't endorse this.

The reasons are what was brought up above.

There is also the fact I very much disagree with...Education is a family and individual issue. No person or community should be forced to pay for the education of another individual.. I believe the community or society, ie taxpayers, should pay for the education of all children, because the community/society benefit the most from that education when the child finishes school, and puts that education to work. The better the education, the more basic skills the individual can contribute to his/her nation. Yes the individual gets rewarded for work, with wages, but the society and economy benefit a lot more from their labors.

I know when we comment on proposals, we are supposed to try to give positive comments and advice, but as the whole proposal swings around the one point I disagree with totally, I'm afraid I have none to give :).

I completely agree. It is in the best interests of all nations to have well-educated workforces.

You probably aren't going to get much support for this. The resolution in question passed by a more than 4-1 margin, and although that was quite a while ago, I doubt things have changed that much.

The thing is - I support the repeal, but not the reasons. The resolution requiring free education to 16 has been superceeded by another one requiring it to the age of 18.

However I believe the reasons stated in the repeal are as important, if not more so, than the topic of the repeal. So I can't support this repeal, even though I think it is something that should be done.

The thing is - I support the repeal, but not the reasons. The resolution requiring free education to 16 has been superceeded by another one requiring it to the age of 18.

However I believe the reasons stated in the repeal are as important, if not more so, than the topic of the repeal. So I can't support this repeal, even though I think it is something that should be done.

I actually agree with you on both counts. I believe the government should support education up to a higher age, but this resolution is a decent jumping off point, so I don't support the repeal.