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Open Borders and Travel

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: The left foot

Description: I purpose for the greater unification of UN nations all restrictions on travel between nations are abolished. This will futher tourism, commerce, and unity between countries. I also purpose to open all borders to all immigration. Despite objections in the long run this will improve the world and increase international trading.

Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, Green Forrest People, Gaiah, Jon787)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 142 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Feb 6 2005

Here goes, my first proposal nit-pick ever.

How does everyone feel about this:
I've got a pretty good idea...


Open Borders and Travel

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: The left foot
Hmm, interesting that your category (human rights) doesn't match your argument (free trade). I don't see how it is a human right to have freedom to enter foreign lands with no regulation or restriction.
Description: I purpose for the greater unification of UN nations all restrictions on travel between nations are abolished. This will futher tourism, commerce, and unity between countries.
I think instead of saying it would "further tourism and commerce" you meant to say it would catalyze terrorism, allow espionage, and strip the census of all meaning. Oh yeah, and instead of furthering unity it would increase the chances of visiting foreign citizens ticking off governments, eventually leading to ethnocentrism.
I also purpose to open all borders to all immigration. Despite objections in the long run this will improve the world and increase international trading.
What evidence do you have of this? Dissolving restrictions on immigration would fold established nations' economies due to the mass influx of the unemployed. Since most immigrants are not educated or trained, and rather enter the country as refugees, they would not be able to get high-paying jobs. This would especially hurt socialist nations, including you, The Left Foot.
Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, Green Forrest People, Gaiah, Jon787)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 142 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Feb 6 2005
Hopefully "Lacking Support" is how this will stay.

How does everyone feel about this:

Open Borders and Travel

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: The left foot

Description: I purpose for the greater unification of UN nations all restrictions on travel between nations are abolished. This will futher tourism, commerce, and unity between countries. I also purpose to open all borders to all immigration. Despite objections in the long run this will improve the world and increase international trading.

Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, Green Forrest People, Gaiah, Jon787)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 142 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Feb 6 2005

Dude, that needs some serious revision, but I'm only going to do a little bit now.

Open Borders and Travel

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The left foot

Description:

PROMOTING the greater unification of UN nations, this body hereby

URGES member nations to abolish all restrictions on travel between nations. This will futher tourism, commerce, and unity between countries.

This needs more work, and no doubt we'll have the usual discussion about whether to make the language stronger, but I'm hungry and am going to get dinner.

Is is a fudamental right of human being that has long been ignored to move freely betwen areas. To bring this to attention and to help portect this right i have filed my resoulution under human rights. It also, will help lessen the power of corrupt governments. If you don't like an oppressive government change countrys. If you are afraid of acts of terrorism don't let weapons NBC or conventional into your country withotu strict permits. I said open borders. This does not prevent customs inspections. Immigrants can always be trained with funding in the social and welfare areas and become functioning members of society. Connecting to my point before, highly trained experts from corrupt governments would also move, thus helping to offset poor immigrants. This would also relive stress on poor nations allowing economies to devlop. This would increase trade. Also, without borders countrys would become more like regions, states if you will and less stigma would accompany international travel and or moving.

As for the poor writing. I am sorry I will fix that. This is only my 2nd resolution.

Is is a fudamental right of human being that has long been ignored to move freely betwen areas.

And it is a fundamental right of citizens of a country to live in a nation that is not in danger of falling to terrorism and espionage tactics. Also note that borders do not restrict movement, but merely impede it for logical reasons. I have every right to move into another country so long as I clear the reasonable immigration guidelines.


It also, will help lessen the power of corrupt governments.

Theoreically there are no corrupt governments in the UN, and I do not see how allowing open borders would lessen power.

If you are afraid of acts of terrorism don't let weapons NBC or conventional into your country withotu strict permits.

If there are no borders there are also no 'countries...' it will all be one chaotic mass of regions that are all brought down to the same level.

This does not prevent customs inspections.

But you clearly stated in your proposal that all restrictions on travel are to be removed. Aren't custom checks restrictions?

Immigrants can always be trained with funding in the social and welfare areas and become functioning members of society.

Excuse me? I am an immigrant myself, and the last time I recall, the government gave me absolutely no welfare checks or special fundings to make me a 'functional citizen.' Immigrants don't need funding. Period. All of the immigrant friends I have are just as, if not more, successful than the average American.


Connecting to my point before, highly trained experts from corrupt governments would also move, thus helping to offset poor immigrants.

Say what?

This would also relive stress on poor nations allowing economies to devlop.

I get it...a third world country loses its borders, allowing 10 million emigrants to move into the next neighboring country, which happens to be poor. By this resolution, the government is required to pay for each of these immigrants to become 'functional citizens,' thus boosting its economy by throwing billions down the drain. Brilliant.

This would increase trade.

Explain. Coherently.

How do you know immigration guide lines in a said nation are reasonable? There are no standard guidelines so it is up to each state. This would standardize it. I am not pointing finger at governments for being corrupt. That is up to the people to decide. This ability to make a decision would improve quality of living since the governments would have to keep people happy in their countries happy so they would not leave the country and move to an area where life is better. Perhaps as to restriction I should clarify, I meant restrictions like forbidding residents of a certain country from immigrating or imposing maximum quotas for number of immigrants. Customs inspections are not a restriction on travel, they are a restriction on importation of goods. I apologize for any offense taken in regard to my remark about immigrants. My response failed to explain context. I was responding to Nargopia's inquiring about refugees immigrating who will require job training. I am not suggesting anything about superiority of native born citizen; actually I think that any such idea is close-minded and false. As to the part which confused you what I meant by "...highly trained experts from corrupt governments would also move, thus helping to offset poor immigrants..." was that not all immigrants would be poor or uneducated. Some would be highly trained experts and/or wealthy people seeking asylum from governments they disagree with. As for the upfront costs of the idea I see no reason why after being phased into the country's main education system these new citizen would not be able to offset the costs of education for each person with the boon to the economy created by new workers thus meaning new goods and services meaning more profit and more productivity and an increase in trade.

Also, how do you do the quote thing?

Also, how do you do the quote thing?

Copy what you need to quote, then use the tool on the far right, second row in the reply form. Ctrl+v to paste, then click ok.

Also, about the borders. Most borders in UN nations are reasonable and do allow most people, regardless of category, unless they are in crisis. Nevertheless, it should the be choice of the country and its people, not the UN, to decide who is allowed, or if anybody is allowed at all. That is a fundamental civil right to decide, and if you vouch to allow anybody into any nation, you are disregarding the rights of the people. I'm not even going to go into the security issues...

You said that open borders would help the people because the government would want to try to make them stay in the country by raising standards. Poor argument, and it won't stand for anything.

As to your view of restrictions: If country A has in the past subjugated and ruled over country B, and both A and B have been at war till the introduction of the UN and its laws, are you going to allow citizens from country B, who are notorious terrorists, to enter country A where they have absolutely no interest of being? That is my view, and it is at odds with several (I believe) passed UN resolutions that state that immigration shall not be hindered by race, ethnicity, etc. You are being redundant in this area.

As for the immigrant job training issue, rest assured I took no offense. I said that immigrant deserve no inherent rights to government funding and I meant just that. They can live just like everybody else without being given a helping hand that will cripple them.

With the highly-trained experts moving and helping a nation...again, poor argument. Highly-trained citizens move regularly even without your resolution, and again, there are no corrupt totalitarian governments in the UN.