NationStates Jolt Archive

Description: UN Resolution #39: Alternative Fuels (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: ...well that's just plain sloppy. Now...

-CFC's? Give me a break
-Depletion of ozone layer due to fossil fuels? Says who(m)?
-Global warming is still a theory (with no hard proof might I add)
-Reserves are becoming depleted as we use them? Interesting...this is new to me...who would have thought that using something might eventually deplete it...
-Stone age and chaos due to a loss in fossil fuels? Please...
-WWII and Romania do not exist
-Hydrogen has plenty of environmental effects (what is this guy smoking...more importantly, where is DLE?) 1. Having several 100's of billions of cars in NationStates, each producing water as a biproduct would be:
a. Inefficient to carry
b. Devastating to the roads if let out
c. Devastating to the environment, seeing as water is a greenhouse gas and would cause massive climate shifts
-Alternate fuels are cheaper? Last I heard they were much more expensive and much lower yield...imagine running a country on tides...*shudders*
-Infinite amount of time for alternate fuels? Doesn't exist last I heard...especially bcause we have about 5 million years to go...more to the point, though, is that we won't survive 5 years on geothermal energy and solar panels lining miles of our country.

And so it comes down to:

"For these reasons it is proposed that this United Nations put into place a resolution requiring automobile manufacturers to spend a minimum of 1% of their profits toward alternative fuel research so that alternative fuels will proved a viable alternative to fossil fuels."

All that trash for this little, insignificant, (useless, redundant) proposal. Seeing as NationStates already unconventionally uses hydrogen power...I say off with its head.

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REPEAL:

Argument (skipping formalities): Considering that all cars in UN nations must by law run on hydrogen power, the preceding resolution is an unconstitutional drain on the profits of the Automotive Industry, which is currently doing nothing to pollute the environment.

If I had the power, I'd endorse this sucker and try to get it at least to quorum. My ego would never be able to be lived down after that.

Oh, I also agree with the arguement, but that's just me.

what page is it on?

i'll endorse it. the high prophets of global warming were predicting a global ice age 30 years ago.

A bit arrogant and insulting, and a bit disorganized, but not all bad in the argumentation. I support people who are unorthodox in wording much more than the people who are bad at being formal, but this resolution strikes a few more nerves than I think it should. I can't really support it, but primarily on the basis that I don't see the economic or environmental advantage to shifting back and screwing our environment the old-fashioned way. Either way, we're messing things up, but a real alternative isn't supplied or even the idea of a new resolution regarding what we can do about it.

'Tis pretty sweet that you'd get your name mentioned in a res, though.

Me too. Who proposed this? I'd like to shake their hand and give them a coupon for a free round of mini-golf.

(edit) Me too = I'll support it too.

no offense mate but we are in the stone ages again if we run out of fossil fuels. We need them for our huge supply of petrochemicals and plastics, any move towards alternative fuel sources for transportation and power generation must be undertaken as fast as possible so that we may only use fossil fuels for petrochemicals and plastics. Without them we dont have a modern world.

The overwhelming general consensus in the scientific community is that something is happening, while it's seemingly slow it's happening very fast on a geoligical time scale. while the final answer and truth still eludes us, 'better safe than sorry'.


thanks,
Owenarcia

no offense mate but we are in the stone ages again if we run out of fossil fuels. We need them for our huge supply of petrochemicals and plastics, any move towards alternative fuel sources for transportation and power generation must be undertaken as fast as possible so that we may only use fossil fuels for petrochemicals and plastics. Without them we dont have a modern world.

The overwhelming general consensus in the scientific community is that something is happening, while it's seemingly slow it's happening very fast on a geoligical time scale. while the final answer and truth still eludes us, 'better safe than sorry'.


thanks,
Owenarcia
How malthusian of you.

OOC, since yours seemed to be:
Petroleum reserves today are larger than they were 50 years ago.
Petroleum reserves only count what's economically recoverable, anyway.
We still have decades before scarcity of oil is an issue.
In a few decades, who can say what new technologies will be invented?
Not me. Not you. We WILL deal with this. Plastics aren't all that, anyway.

The overwhelming consensus in the scientific community isn't anything like you're claiming. The overwhelming consensus in the environmental agitation community is that it's best to lie and try to scare the broad populace and the politicians.

no offense mate but we are in the stone ages again if we run out of fossil fuels. We need them for our huge supply of petrochemicals and plastics, any move towards alternative fuel sources for transportation and power generation must be undertaken as fast as possible so that we may only use fossil fuels for petrochemicals and plastics. Without them we dont have a modern world.

The overwhelming general consensus in the scientific community is that something is happening, while it's seemingly slow it's happening very fast on a geoligical time scale. while the final answer and truth still eludes us, 'better safe than sorry'.


thanks,
Owenarcia

Very interesting. Vastiva uses no gasoline or oil, though we export it by the tankerload. Our plastics are not dependant on petrochemicals. And we seem to be doing very well, thank you.

"Useless, potentially fatal, but entertaining" seems to apply here.

Our plastics are dependant on petrochemicals, but that is the only industry in which we use the substances. The rest is hid in secret stashes, waiting for the day when fossil fuels will drop to a dangerously low level. Then the price for oil will skyrocket and we will be rich!!

Our plastics are dependant on petrochemicals, but that is the only industry in which we use the substances. The rest is hid in secret stashes, waiting for the day when fossil fuels will drop to a dangerously low level. Then the price for oil will skyrocket and we will be rich!!

*puts on spy glasses*

Time to go in...

The overwhelming consensus in the scientific community isn't anything like you're claiming. The overwhelming consensus in the environmental agitation community is that it's best to lie and try to scare the broad populace and the politicians.
Is that your actual opinion?

*puts on spy glasses*

Time to go in...
Pardon me sir, I need to see four different forms of picture ID, a birth certificate, and a letter of character commendation endorsed by 10 voting-age Nargopians before I can let you enter the country.

Is that your actual opinion?

Although I did not make the comment, I am inclined to agree with its sentiments.

Dave Brower would be proud of the current clamor over the issue.

This repeal was created by our very own Dresophila Prime, a fellow member of the conservative region of Change. As you can see, we're not always the evil right-wing fanatics we're made out to be. Many of us have good ideas(like this repeal).

Well, I am not sure if TNP is endorsing Resolutions at present, but I will TM whoever is currently in control over Pixiedance to endorse it.

This repeal was created by our very own Dresophila Prime, a fellow member of the conservative region of Change. As you can see, we're not always the evil right-wing fanatics we're made out to be. Many of us have good ideas(like this repeal).

You had a few bad apples that pretty much spoiled it for the group.

Oh, we never classified you as "evil right-wing fanatics." "Uncultured barbarian right-wing fanatics," maybe.

The evil ones are the neo-nazis.

You had a few bad apples that pretty much spoiled it for the group.

Oh, we never classified you as "evil right-wing fanatics." "Uncultured barbarian right-wing fanatics," maybe.

The evil ones are the neo-nazis.

I suppose you're referring to me and the Kingsland as the bad apples?

Pardon me sir, I need to see four different forms of picture ID, a birth certificate, and a letter of character commendation endorsed by 10 voting-age Nargopians before I can let you enter the country.

Erm...

"Hey, look over there!"

*runs*

I suppose you're referring to me and the Kingsland as the bad apples?

Actually, no. You're an orange, not an apple.

And Kingsland... Don't remember much about him. May have argued against him, but he's not the one I'm mainly referring to. However, to say who is would be flamebait.

Erm...

"Hey, look over there!"

*runs*

No!! Whatever you do, don't go to the Isle of the Patriarch in the southeastern Quadrant of the Green Isles! We don't keep what you're looking for there!

No!! Whatever you do, don't go to the Isle of the Patriarch in the southeastern Quadrant of the Green Isles! We don't keep what you're looking for there!

o..0 Thank you for that!

o..0 Thank you for that!
Haha, you'll never be able to cross the natural moat surrounding the isle, and now that the Nargopian Armada has surrounded it, escape is impossible. We will ransom your spy for a shipment of Vanilla Coke, however. We're fresh out.

Haha, you'll never be able to cross the natural moat surrounding the isle, and now that the Nargopian Armada has surrounded it, escape is inevitable. We will ransom your spy for a shipment of Vanilla Coke, however. We're fresh out.

1 shipment of Vanilla Coke ready for you.

1 shipment of Vanilla Coke ready for you.
The Roman cargo ship docks at NargAlpha Space Station, where government officials are holding the Roman spy. The trade is made peacefully and smoothly. The Nargopian Grand Patriarch is so happy to have his Vanilla Coke that he forgets to be angry at RomeW for sending an espionage unit. The diplomatic relations between the two nations returns to normal. :D

Greetings to all from Dresophila Prime!

I was actually very surprised to find this get onto the United Nations forums without my prompting, especially by someone like Demon Lord Enigma.

The first half of the repeal consisting of mostly cynical arguments (I apologize for the shoddiness) was me on a typing rant. I did not originally mean to actually include it in the proposal, as it was not in proper format, but with some prompting, I decided to just submit the damn thing anyway.

At the time of posting this on the UN page, I internet froze up, and I ended up posting two (oops) so one of them (probably the one with more support) got deleted, I believe. The voting ends tomorrow, and I doubt that I will get the necessary support, so I will repost it on Friday or Saturday, since it got some positive feedback. Rest assured, there will be some modifications.