NationStates Jolt Archive

Note: For those of you looking for the argumentation against this proposal, it will start at page 10 and continue on from there. Please note that this repeal isn't against the concept of a Global Library in any way, but rather in the interest of establishing a new GL. For more information, check "The New Global Library" thread, or "Global Library Coalition".

Here is Pojonia's official repeal of "The Global Library", in the hopes of reforming the resolution and establishing a new.

The United Nations,

OBSERVING the recent passage of resolution 86, The Global Library,

NOTING WITH REGRET the gap between donations acquired and actual cost of building (at first presentation of proposal) 37,376 libraries, one per nation,

REALIZING that holographic technologies are still far from reach in specific nations and expensive to implement, thus delaying the project indefinitely,

AND IN THE INTEREST OF establishing a new Global Library proposal of a practical and efficient nature, hereby

CONDEMNS Resolution 86 on account of poor wording and unprofessional presentation, which reflects ill on U.N. policy as a whole in addition to being ambiguous and open to corruption, and

REPEALS the resolution on account of the impossibility of acquiring the funding and technologies needed to begin the project.

Since everyone who posts here against the repeal tends to ignore the negating position, I'll post the argument right here:

The resolution specifically states that there will be a funding goal to be set, and when it is reached, they will start building. It also states that the only way to fund the library is through donation. So, since it is logical to consider that the funding goal must include
A) 37,000 libraries
B) The development and implementation of Holographic technology,
and C) Holographic Wristbands for each and every citizen (on average, say... 50 million per nation?)
then we can conclude that
D) The project will never be built. In fact, it will sit and collect money without ever spending it, which can cause some serious economic problems if, after several hundred years, it reached its goal and reintroduced all that money into the system.

Also, the wording just sucks in general. It's abstract, easily abused, and causes some issues with copyright laws and national sovereignty by claiming to enstate "all the worlds knowledge".

That is all.

You have the support of Kervoskia.

I launched a rather horrendous telegraph campaign tonight which I believe covered quite a large scope of nations. Tis a pity I have little better to do with my Mondays.

So, comments, criticisms, arguments, support? Any would be helpful. If you need any more information, just ask.

You could probably get a good return on effort TG'ing the following delegates and mentioning that the repeal proposal they supported is expiring in a few minutes and asking their support for your version.

Approvals: 56 (Krisalan II, The Mighty Pump, Monadnock, Signamarcheix, New Chelyabinsk, Tiber City, The Kingsland, Grays Harbor, WZ Forums, The Bruce, Prosophia, Iznogoud, Bucellarion, War Child, Acada Demada, JayRoddia, Jynxing Mormons, Nick Trotter, The Burning Sword, Melmond, A Tortured Mind, Volvonce, Domintora, Nargopia, The Army of Prachya, Mousebumples, Avalya, Tommy rules, Peaonusahl, Sarcodina, Robbopolis, Greater Augustograd, Hegartydom, Shintocria, Lamoni, Dragunovia, The Apostle in Triumph, King Charles I, Cockeysville, Siren Song, Thunderbee, Kenzheckistan, Romania-, Dark nipple people, Mordechai Vanunu, DougIsGodLand, Humanitty, Lesser Jersey, Laueria, The Bankers Union, Bijanian Utopia, Englobad, Vertosa, East Sibir, Neo Portugal, Bretonnian Europa)

Then tomorrow you could do the same thing with these people:

Approvals: 30 (Al-Zar, Grays Harbor, Legnarennat, Fenure, The Kingsland, Maubachia, Tiber City, Domintora, WZ Forums, The Hollow Eye, JS Nijmegen, Gaiah, The Burning Sword, Monadnock, Iznogoud, Melmond, Robbopolis, Hegartydom, Shintocria, Magiqa, Lamoni, Nargopia, The Apostle in Triumph, Hippietania, JayRoddia, Squirrelmania, Yelda, Signamarcheix, Neo Portugal, War Child)

Thursday night the Gelgameks would probably be willing to join your cause, bringing with them:

Approvals: 17 (Monadnock, Magiqa, New Texastein, Communist Socialists M, Nargopia, Iznogoud, Gaiah, Grays Harbor, A Tortured Mind, JayRoddia, JS Nijmegen, Al-Zar, The Kingsland, WZ Forums, Bijanian Utopia, Melmond, War Child)

Al-Zar really seems to dislike the Global Library. Seems like they've endorsed Incompetent Lunacy's repeal proposal too.

(The Burning Sword, Grays Harbor, United Necromancers, A Tortured Mind, Gaiah, JayRoddia, JS Nijmegen, Park Slope-estan, Al-Zar, The Kingsland, Metal Poets, WZ Forums, Melmond, Garitia, War Child)

Happily, I have already telegrammed almost all of these. Thanks for the list, though.

hey pojonia, I guess my tg was both too late, and superfluous. Well done anyway!

need some help with that mail-out?
I'd be glad to telegram some delegates if you tell me which ones to do

The repeal has 16 approvals now, in approximately the first 15 hours. This is probably pretty good considering the time people take to check telegrams and nationstates. I've only had one nay-sayer, but I sent him a telegram which hopefully explains everything.

Anyone who wishes to contribute to the telegram campaign can send a message to any random delegate of the U.N who has not submitted an endorsement (I covered a few at the very beginning of the list and a random selection as I approached the middle, so if you want to be sure no one has gotten a telegram already, start with the Z's).

Again, if anyone has questions or complaints about the repeal proposal, please post them here. This is, after all, a forum for debate.

Hold on. I'm having to move my UN puppet again. New area lost the only other UN member in it.

I helped spearhead the telegram campaign for Gelgamek's repeal, and would be happy to help this campaign as well. Here is the standard telegram I used and posted for other nations to use:
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Honorable Delegate:

I am writing to request your support for the proposal “Repeal the Global Library.” The Global Library resolution, a stain on the books of the United Nations, is faulty and impractical for the following reasons:

1) The resolution contains holographic imaging technology that is nonexistent and huge data transfer rates that are currently impossible. Both the holographic imaging and required data transfers are mandated by the resolution, but are in reality unnecessary. The amount of money required to develop this technology would drive most nations’ economies into the ground.

2) The resolution does not address copyright law in any way, thereby hindering the general creative drive of individual world citizens. The resolution requires that anybody’s recorded ideas (including books and any works of art) are to be seized and made available free to all citizens.

3) The resolution states that the library will be paid for by donation. However, it also states that every nation will receive a library installation, even if they don’t contribute financially. Seeing this, many nations have refused to donate money to the cause, knowing that they will reap the benefits anyway.

4) Physical library installations are an unnecessary financial burden. A much better idea would be to create an internet-like file-sharing network that can be accessed easily by citizens of each nation. This system would be much cheaper and more practical than the system currently in place.

When the author of “The Global Library” was confronted with these facts during the resolution’s voting process, he decided to vote against his own resolution and encouraged others to do the same. I ask you now, as a fellow member of the United Nations, to go to the UN List of Proposals and support this, and encourage those in your region to vote for the resolution when the time comes. Please make certain that you endorse the repeal submitted by Pojonia. I thank you for your patience and cooperation.
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I added the bolded sentence for this campaign, noticing that most approvals were split between the several repeals simultaneously in the proposal list.

I have also gotten about 15-20 telegrams to those who were opposed to the repeal, but tried to address their concerns via replies. We pledge our full support to the cause.

That's an excellent telegram. Anyone who wishes to help should definitely try sending it to a few random nations (preferably in the middle or near the end of the regional lists). I'm going to use my own personal message so as not to tick people off with doubled telegrams. One thing I would add would be right after the emboldened sentence, the current location of the repeal (I.E. "It is currently located on page 11 and will move up daily"). People get sick of trying to find it and it doesn't show up on the search bar until the older repeal drops out of the list.

If they have complaints and you don't feel you can address them, you can refer them to me by sending me the original telegram. I've gotten pretty good at arguing this clearly (in fact, I've even managed to convince the delegate from Hell to approve).

Does anybody know if Great Agnostica (the author of The Global Library) also runs a nation known as "America---?" This America--- sent me a telegram saying that he was the author and that he would report me for spamming. Just wondering about the details of that; are there any repercussions for mass campaigns like this?

Since you introduced it to the forum, not one admin has commented on it (I don't think). They, of all people, should know. But if a mass telegram campaign is not allowed, both of us are already screwed. So, no worries, mate. I'd write him back, inform him that if he's going to claim authorship he should use his own nation.

Also, "Spamming" is the process of filling a forum with useless posts to obscure the actual message. The telegram campaign, which I've been sending only to randomly selected/obviously active delegates, only sends one message to a nation. I've recieved these messages before, and I seriously doubt that there are repurcussions. If there are, we will cease and desist immediately, but thus far I've only gotten good feedback and polite argumentation in reply to these telegrams so it seems to be sitting fine with the other nations.

I figured it was allowed, as I've participated in these campaigns before without discipline. Campaigns like this are pretty much the only way to get anything passed nowadays anyway.

this useless and expensive program should be cut immediately.

thanks,
Owenarcia

i don't really like the global library either. i thought it was a dumb idea from the start. You have my full support in the campaign against the global library. Any of you may telegram me to get me more involved with this fight.

UN Delegate
Jynxing Mormons

Foglorn is behind you 100%. It's silly to think that every nation could meet some of the requirements of this legislation, not to mention that there are so many more marketable and economical solutions to global information sharing.

Thanks to all who have volunteered their support. I am currently compiling a list of UN Delegates that are active in the UN, either by proposal approving or just resolution voting. I still need to eliminate duplicates, which is what I'll be working on tonight. After I've done that, I figure the list will probably have about 500 delegates on it. If the proposal doesn't get enough approvals this time, I think we have enough campaign volunteers here to efficiently split up those 500 delegates. So far, I understand that Nargopia, Pojonia, Jynxing Mormons, Kreitzmoorland, and The Army of Prachya have pledged their services.

If anybody is interested in helping out with this campaign, please post your interest here. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

How about after the repeal we digitize the library and get rid of the hologram technolgy then will everone be happy?

How about after the repeal we digitize the library and get rid of the hologram technolgy then will everone be happy?
I have a similar plan in development involving an independant file-sharing network.

I agree with the repeal, although I liked the general idea. The current plan is, as noted, unworkable, and horribly written. Those were the reasons I cited in my region at the time to oppose the adoption of the current resolution.

As the sponsor of record of the Tsunami Warning System resolution (along with three other nations), let me suggest that a thread be opened after a repeal resolution gathers sufficient approvals to utilize a working group approach to solicit ideas and hash out any replacement proposal. I think that would help y'all avoid the problems with the original Global Library resolution.

And some more telegrams are out. We're still more than half the approvalsshort, with but a day left. Hopefully it will get noticed when it hits the earliest pages and the other repeals fade.

It doesn't look like the support needed for the repeal is gonna happen. There's two others side-by-side on the first page, which looks quite undignified. I think after the various GL repeals collapse, we need to wait a little bit before renewing it lest nations grow tired of it. I will be gone until at least tuesday after the repeal is finished with it's rounds, and I'll wait to reintroduce it until after the other repeal attempts fade.

Does anybody know if Great Agnostica (the author of The Global Library) also runs a nation known as "America---?" This America--- sent me a telegram saying that he was the author and that he would report me for spamming. Just wondering about the details of that; are there any repercussions for mass campaigns like this?

Great Agnostica actually started a campaign after "The Global Library" reached qurom to defeat the Resolution, which nearly worked; and, considering the text behind "The Global Library", it- frankly- is amazing it passed.

It doesn't look like the support needed for the repeal is gonna happen. There's two others side-by-side on the first page, which looks quite undignified. I think after the various GL repeals collapse, we need to wait a little bit before renewing it lest nations grow tired of it. I will be gone until at least tuesday after the repeal is finished with it's rounds, and I'll wait to reintroduce it until after the other repeal attempts fade.

Should we telegram the authors of those proposals asking them to join up with this one? I seriously doubt that people are going to stop proposing repeals to this resolution.

bump

Ok, I'm back now. It looks like there's a little empty space in the repeals right now, but I'm going to wait for a little bit and see if I can't refine this repeal a little bit more. Next time I'll submit it over a time period where I can devote some serious effort to it, which is obviously what it's going to take to get the approvals needed.

So, once again, we're on the drawing board. Any suggestions, clarifications, argumentations? I keep asking, and I keep hearing nothing but good things about the repeal, but there has to be something people are keeping quiet about.

I suggest you check your telegrams. ;)

Ok, I'm back now. It looks like there's a little empty space in the repeals right now, but I'm going to wait for a little bit and see if I can't refine this repeal a little bit more. Next time I'll submit it over a time period where I can devote some serious effort to it, which is obviously what it's going to take to get the approvals needed.

So, once again, we're on the drawing board. Any suggestions, clarifications, argumentations? I keep asking, and I keep hearing nothing but good things about the repeal, but there has to be something people are keeping quiet about.
Mention that the author of the original tried to defeat it to prevent it being passed in current form.

Mention that early on in the repeal proposal, and early on in the telegram.

Mention that the author of the original tried to defeat it to prevent it being passed in current form.

Mention that early on in the repeal proposal, and early on in the telegram.
We've actually already addressed this in the telegram I drafted up:

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Honorable Delegate:

I am writing to request your support for the proposal “Repeal the Global Library.” The Global Library resolution, a stain on the books of the United Nations, is faulty and impractical for the following reasons:

1) The resolution contains holographic imaging technology that is nonexistent and huge data transfer rates that are currently impossible. Both the holographic imaging and required data transfers are mandated by the resolution, but are in reality unnecessary. The amount of money required to develop this technology would drive most nations’ economies into the ground.

2) The resolution does not address copyright law in any way, thereby hindering the general creative drive of individual world citizens. The resolution requires that anybody’s recorded ideas (including books and any works of art) are to be seized and made available free to all citizens.

3) The resolution states that the library will be paid for by donation. However, it also states that every nation will receive a library installation, even if they don’t contribute financially. Seeing this, many nations have refused to donate money to the cause, knowing that they will reap the benefits anyway.

4) Physical library installations are an unnecessary financial burden. A much better idea would be to create an internet-like file-sharing network that can be accessed easily by citizens of each nation. This system would be much cheaper and more practical than the system currently in place.

When the author of “The Global Library” was confronted with these facts during the resolution’s voting process, he decided to vote against his own resolution and encouraged others to do the same. I ask you now, as a fellow member of the United Nations, to go to the UN List of Proposals and support this, and encourage those in your region to vote for the resolution when the time comes. Please make certain that you endorse the repeal submitted by Pojonia. I thank you for your patience and cooperation.
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Put the last paragraph at the top.


Honorable Delegate:

I am writing to request your support for the proposal “Repeal the Global Library.”

When the author of “The Global Library” was confronted with the following facts during the resolution’s voting process, he decided to vote against his own resolution and encouraged others to do the same:

1) The resolution contains holographic imaging technology that is nonexistent and huge data transfer rates that are currently impossible. Both the holographic imaging and required data transfers are mandated by the resolution, but are in reality unnecessary. The amount of money required to develop this technology would drive most nations’ economies into the ground.

2) The resolution does not address copyright law in any way, thereby hindering the general creative drive of individual world citizens. The resolution requires that anybody’s recorded ideas (including books and any works of art) are to be seized and made available free to all citizens.

3) The resolution states that the library will be paid for by donation. However, it also states that every nation will receive a library installation, even if they don’t contribute financially. Seeing this, many nations have refused to donate money to the cause, knowing that they will reap the benefits anyway.

4) Physical library installations are an unnecessary financial burden. A much better idea would be to create an internet-like file-sharing network that can be accessed easily by citizens of each nation. This system would be much cheaper and more practical than the system currently in place.

I ask you now, as a fellow member of the United Nations, to go to the UN List of Proposals and support this, and encourage those in your region to vote for the resolution when the time comes. Please make certain that you endorse the repeal submitted by Pojonia. I thank you for your patience and cooperation.

Put the last paragraph at the top.
The Nargopian Delegate does his best impression of Monty Burns..."Excellent."

Makes sense. I don't think I would want to mention the author specifically in the repeal since it singles out a nation and might or might not be against the rules. Either way, there's plenty of other bits of argumentation that I'll be using.

I'm renewing the request for nations to join the telegramming campaign. So far, the nations that have pledged to participate are:

Nargopia
Pojonia
Jynxing Mormons
Kreitzmoorland
Army of Prachya

I can provide a list of hundreds of active UN Delegates to telegram; I still need to eliminate duplicates, but after that I figure the list will have about 400 delegates, all active voters/endorsers. I'll wait and see if anyone else volunteers for the campaign, then split up the list.

I'll do some.

Take the time to personalize your telegrams a bit, too.
Compliment them on their flag, chuckle at their currency name, etc.

If the basic TG is a form letter, it doesn't take much longer to add a personal touch. But I think it makes the TG much more welcome, and makes the recipient more willing to consider your points.

Dale Carnegie, and all that.

I'll do some.

Take the time to personalize your telegrams a bit, too.
Compliment them on their flag, chuckle at their currency name, etc.

If the basic TG is a form letter, it doesn't take much longer to add a personal touch. But I think it makes the TG much more welcome, and makes the recipient more willing to consider your points.

Dale Carnegie, and all that.
Good points, and probably modifications that will greatly increase approval response. Individual nations in a game that has over 120,000 of them love to know that they are unique in some way. Remember, happy voters are loyal voters.

When the list is divided, I'll resubmit as soon as the repeal gets an opening. That should work just fine. I think we can pass this thing yet. In the meantime, I'll take what little time I have right now to work on the new GL proposal, so we can have something to present to those who want to see a new one in the mix before approving the repeal.

In fact, I've had this draft for a while, any suggestions?

Preamble (Finished):

The United Nations,

RECALLING Resolution number 86, the Global Library, and its subsequent repeal,

REAFFIRMING the idealistic strength of the concept of a global repository for knowledge,

And RECOGNIZING the failures of the previous resolution,

Hereby establishes the grounds for a new Global Library.

The Details (Not properly worded out yet, but will be):

The current plan for the new GL is to establish a central building almost entirely on donations - be it money or books – built in some form that would allow for infinite expansion based on the boundaries of funding. Essentially, this would hold all books acquired, archives of news from credible presses, and an internet database with whatever information the U.N. sees fit. Any U.N. member nation that wishes its citizens to benefit has the option of building their own subsidiary library, which would receive the benefits of the global libraries stores of information and the ability to request/order books from the central library. This library would be funded by that member nation and the nation establishing it would also continually owe a pittance of money to help pay for the staff, subscriptions, power bills, maintenance, etc if the library cannot pay for these by donations alone. The library will be completely non-profit save in the interest of promoting itself, anything that it makes off of late-fees, donations, etc, goes into more books and expansions. Regulations regarding this will be strict to prevent corruption. The GL will not send any book to another library unless it has at least one copy plus whatever it takes to meet civilian demands. The library will hold information about all U.N. member nations unless that nation feels it a threat to their security to disclose such information.

Obviously, this is gonna be a bigger project than before, so I think that I have a lot of things to fix and add before it is really a good proposal. Repeals are easier, this will need a lot of work. Any comments or criticisms would make you a wonderful, wonderful person.

I'm gonna wait to submit my views on the new resolution until we get the old one repealed; just assure the curious that we have an appropriate replacement.

I'll support a repeal effort so long as the language focuses on the expense and difficulty of maintaining such an institution, as opposed to the "Repeal the Global Library because I hate books" resolutions. Promising a proposal to increase availability of information through more cost-effective means (the file-share idea was excellent!) would be a nice addition as well.

Keep up the good work!

I'll support a repeal effort so long as the language focuses on the expense and difficulty of maintaining such an institution, as opposed to the "Repeal the Global Library because I hate books" resolutions.
Thank you for your support of the repeal effort; I believe that the language of the proposal (found on page 1 of this thread) covers your conditions.
Promising a proposal to increase availability of information through more cost-effective means would be a nice addition as well.Not a bad idea. Pojonia, would you be willing to add this in? No need for specifics yet.
(the file-share idea was excellent!) Why thank you. :)

Not a bad idea. Pojonia, would you be willing to add this in? No need for specifics yet.


As I said, I have a (non-specific) proposal set up for criticism, comments and complaints. It's located a page back. The repeal says "In the interest of establishing a new GL resolution", and I'll be tweaking it a bit before resubmitting.

As I said, I have a (non-specific) proposal set up for criticism, comments and complaints. It's located a page back. The repeal says "In the interest of establishing a new GL resolution", and I'll be tweaking it a bit before resubmitting.
So I noticed, but I was just wondering if you could put in the repeal that we intend to replace the current system with a more cost-effective and practical system.

Sure.

So I noticed, but I was just wondering if you could put in the repeal that we intend to replace the current system with a more cost-effective and practical system.
Was that not in the repeal? Yikes!!1!

That statement should figure prominently in the telegram, too.

And start a new thread for the official repeal campaign. Invite the people with particularly convincing arguments to regurgitate them on the new thread. Then we can mention the new thread in the telegrams.

Was that not in the repeal? Yikes!!!


Look, this really isn't an issue. The repeal said

"AND IN THE INTEREST OF establishing a new Global Library proposal of a practical and efficient nature, hereby"

I may tweak this a bit to include that "efficient" means "cost-effective", but it's there.

alright. you got us this far - i trust you.

I apologize Pojonia. I feel foolish - I even went back and checked the repeal to see if it made a remark about a replacement resolution, and I thought I didn't see anything. Anyway, I'm working on eliminating duplicates in the list right now, so it should be ready by tomorrow. As for Asshelmetta's idea of creating a new thread, I really don't think it's necessary. I say we introduce the proposal as soon as we can get all of the campaigners together, and if it fails to reach quorum this time, then we can start over with a new thread. But I really have high hopes for this repeal this time.

Asshelmetta, I'm not sure if you realize this, but your avatar text now says that you are Quite Deadly, not only Sometimes Deadly. At what post count did you notice that it said anything other than "member"?

i never noticed the post count until just now.


uh, a couple days ago, is the answer to your question.

That's funny; I noticed the Sometimes Deadly several weeks ago, probably late December or early January.

not on me. i joined late december or early january.

Excellent. I have one remaining question - at what time do the proposals move up a page? A specific time zone would be nice. I noticed that since the repeal was posted later in the day, it only made it to page 3 of the proposals list where it was more likely to be ignored.

Ok, so eliminating duplicates didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would. So anyway, here's how I split it up:

Nargopia
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Republic of Freedonia, High Spiritus, JS Nijmegen, Gaiah, NewTexas, Asshelmetta, Metal Poets, Tariol, Monadnock, Yelda, Acada Demada, Laueria, Grumioland, Shanagolia, The Black New World, Sulon, Coprinsteland, Dahlk, Al-Zar, The Cariebbean, DragonSpeartopia, Nomikia, Tzimiscie, Domintora, The Belima, WZ Forums, 1 Infinite Loop, Ataraxics, The Derrak Quadrant, Dominicalius, Dafidutopia, Jake 4, Knuckles Promised Land, Kubersland, Lotharisia, Kadield, Jibba-Jabbia, Fenor, Shenanigoat Junction, Novus Terra Reborn, Bohemia and Moravia II, Sinns right hand, Lichto, Funky Celtic Kleptos, Baribeau, Shadow GOYakitaN, Nunograd, Dolich, Annenburg, Rekistan, Hidlberg, La Commune Quebecoise, GizzmoAsus, Magiqa, Great Kienholz, Lamoni, Scattered Islands, Oscarina, Catt-man-do, Northern Nukeland, G_Wiz, JayRoddia, Nielston, Fees Maudites, Kyndcat, The Red Lair, Grand Teton, Master Tom, Tanthe, La Tropicana, Hockey Fandom, Bulgarian Legion, Hkdl, Crazy irish ppl, SlowRoll, TheBongos, Ashualiat, Manfredonia, Galaxy Bright Star, Javelindon, Zapvilla, NaMonde, Unrestrained Anarchy, Killtron, Dem Deadbeats, Sam99978, Racoonesia, Sputnikov, Crydonia, Looplyness, Great Britain---, Spartanious, Juxtaposed Borderlines, Cachay, Aquatnis, Dark nipple people, Itsdawhitebunny, Ellensborough, Rhody


Pojonia
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Beach Bay, Knowledge of Dragons, Markodonia, Alexein, Fastnet, Teews, N00t, Steven Kyle, America---, Arro Gance, Carlos Santos, Womblinia, Spartans mark2, Punk-ass Ninjas, Doodania, Omairia, Alomogordo, Constellia, Nenuial, Signamarcheix, Varasa, Conservative Haters, Dizziness, Oil Trough, Bedouin States, Radona, Thgin, Molnervia, The Borg Subconscious, Daltwood 2, LouFerringoland, Dutch Berhampore, The Talisman, Bijanian Utopia, Aston, North-Baltia, Kemdoph, Tomaa, Bill-kalamata 999, Adam Island, Amaris Ursana, Memorial Park, The Hollow Eye, DaJonesians, TheBeave, The Mighty Pump, Borgoa, Pyro Kittens, Purpleation, Freedmark, Ceskeland, Cunnyfuntbooboo, Tierra del Queso, Buaness, Transplanetary Peoples, Cockeysville, Graceofseppuku, Innerfilth, David Schnell, The Marine Infantry, Luna Amore, UpsilonUC, Erroneous Errol Island, Visochka, The 2nd Foundation, Dyvan, Kinkle, Norig Ellison, Crvena Zvezda, Communist Socialists M, Catanacia, Phelton, Pottervillia, Ponthier, Dowiniowe, Pannville, Sayt, Nattyworld, Ueberwald, Cobranger, Sabbe, Erehwon Forest, Memorand, Phet, Dangertk, Where was I, Moonriders, Uwantaxe, Onanistaquerulo, , Grozhny, Extreme Darwinists, Mycos, Very Black People, Sirap, Josha Land, Named Meats, Wallumetta, Stubert


Jynxing Mormons
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Manion, Chinandega, Lower Saltzburg, Nevscrow, Neo-Pangaea, UndergroundRacing, HMS Nottingham, The kevinngzh, Acids Kingdom, Beedies, Pasquazzo, Egomanics, Fyronica, Stylias, Easternmost Wasteland, Ozhland, Kentmire, Yellow Lawns, New Akana, Noonstien, North Central America, Encephelon, Suomen Turku, Metal Poets, Lonestonia, Etonians, El Chupacobra, Kaytheer, New Libertalia, Imperialer Voelkerbund, The Gimerlands, Teutonia Magna, South Jersey Shore, Trois Pont, Therenbough, Zyphyr, BonzoDooDa, No power structure, Bongbuddastan, AKAZA CORP, Haggis Hurlers, Stromland, Timidia, Shamalea, Armstrongiania, Necrogeddon, LordRisely, Calculators, Beaumerica, Easy-Going, Crookewit, Flame From Hell, Pampooria, Dogcattle, Haborym, Dersturm, Westfield Fordes, GuineaPigsRock


Kreitzmoorland
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United Necromancers, Saint Les, Binzer, Dominicanian Empire, Emmental, , Nightrunner, Lost Valley, Ripped Pants, Children of the Gael, Origins Returned, Marsovia, Foglorn, Quirn, Greater Kamigawa, Flibbles, Volvonce, Sweetfloss, The Caucasian Invasion, Misfitonia, Purple elephant monkey, The Bleeding Cross, Werdcrime, Nauarchonesia, Driskoland, Vampirist, The Northern Highland, YTMND, Doomynation, Lenno Bird, The Great Moo Foo, Seamus McCaffrey, Stephanieville, Paraglade, Eisenland, Chief Yellowtooth, Yopp, Bloodsbane, Arol, Tagusland, Lighfingerers, A Celtic Constituency, Scypha, Morganix, Zubinland, BenDaFatMan, Brahumptia, No Breaks, PintoBerg0, Zachnia, Aaaronius, Arwenistan, TheUnion, Rosthern, Independant Fireflies, Derekbooth, Rianon, Trielli, The disillusioned many, Coprinsteland, Genetic Superhumans, Klaun, Eutaw, The PHRF Pacific, Nisk, Navacerrada, Repechagia, PORTVALIA, Zomnkeria, Pansophia, Naravostia, Mmrkuudnia, The Greek Asteroids


Army of Prachya
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Socializts, The Sneezed, Stocklound, UberPatLand, Rwiggum, Sulej, The Roos Union, MountainSun, Riegab, Hippopotami-Under-Lyme, Bad Lunch Meat, Barazov, Peaonusahl, Shivan_rathi, Birds of a Feather, RachelLStaton, Luther Dorms, Toast Coverings, Shanozelhops, Mynacon, The Gregg, Shaemal, Sunset Town, Mommy D, East Lithuania, Libertarianada, Epilecutt, Los cielos, Esscose, The Empire of Will, Anasynth, The Fenian Rite, Vaultrainia, Ald Rhun, Kiriyama Lookalikes, Allymand, Windleheim, Sellac, White power world wide, JujenDanq, Vlaske, King Charles I, Goa Gubbar, Ulysees, San Salos, Phatfoo, Mulleto, Beer-drinking, Iznogoud, Psychorats, Drewzeya, Mi Scusi, Sulamar, , Anti-Sneddon, El Cuhnto, Jacobs Cream Crackers, Planet Yakadoo, Pure Unrestrained Evil, The Burning Sword, Das Buut, Pantocratoria, Shandus, Mazinopolis, Femalmen, Nova Gothia

Asshelmetta
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The Kingsland, Shaloch, Samsil, Norvikeland, , Hargrimmia, Hun-Topia, Culex, Squibcakes, Folly and Goodwill, Pinconning, The 4rth Reich, Oeillade, Somewhere 999, South Shields, Krankor, Moritoriad, Witsle, Englobad, A Tortured Mind, P-40Aces, Kreisau, New Happyworld Land, The Bankers Union, Seocc, Shrimpy-UB, Nendeln, Boston, Crimson Bloodonia, Anglophones, The Great Mount, Joshburia, Luy, Squirrelmania, Dragunovia, The tokai, Ste Land, Melloway, Neo Cobra, Puppet Country, Acarob, Boner the Stiff, Ckech, Goofballzia, Asselia, Gorthan, Lesser Jersey, Sheepia, Melmond, Wagners band, Stansfeldland, , Tomathon, Jynxing Mormons, TesticularFortitude, Dunn Vol, Lancaster of Wessex, Rinji, Liberal Fascism, Lakin-Kohn, Johnny R Cash, Loprestia, Cheerio, Belaren, Robo Sheep, British Cannon Islands, Mithrexia, Skiapper, Hierguard, Nova Capitalia, Aakron, Toddownya, The Domain of Curly, Barkentine, The North Falklands, Romania-, Outlawed Pandas, Big Hat, Outlaw Conformity, FUA, Optima Justitia, Crypto Fascist Monks, Legnarennat, Milantia, Tyber, Mobile Suits, JFriends, Dodo Lovers, Archduke Lucian, Oisaca, Tinis, Acroppoli, GalSpan, Cherry Ridge


If you have issues with this, let me know. Pojonia and Asshelmetta, I'm going to telegram the other volunteers with a link to this thread, seeing as they haven't visited in a while. Remember: Don't start telegramming until the proposal has been submitted!

I'm not exactly sure about the time zone thing, but I've been up very very late (Pacific zone) and saw them phase out the "failed" proposals. Maybe 2:00 AM my time? Is it always the same time every day or is the process manual (a moderator deletes the old ones)?

Well, now that thats set up, I'll be submitting it... possibly tomorrow, more likely Friday when I have a weekend to work on it. I'll post here when it's reposted, and update the first post as well to include the new page number.

Just reposting the revised form letter:
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Honorable Delegate:

I am writing to request your support for the proposal “Repeal the Global Library.”

When the author of “The Global Library” was confronted with the following facts during the resolution’s voting process, he decided to vote against his own resolution and encouraged others to do the same:

1) The resolution contains holographic imaging technology that is nonexistent and huge data transfer rates that are currently impossible. Both the holographic imaging and required data transfers are mandated by the resolution, but are in reality unnecessary. The amount of money required to develop this technology would drive most nations’ economies into the ground.

2) The resolution does not address copyright law in any way, thereby hindering the general creative drive of individual world citizens. The resolution requires that anybody’s recorded ideas (including books and any works of art) are to be seized and made available free to all citizens.

3) The resolution states that the library will be paid for by donation. However, it also states that every nation will receive a library installation, even if they don’t contribute financially. Seeing this, many nations have refused to donate money to the cause, knowing that they will reap the benefits anyway.

4) Physical library installations are an unnecessary financial burden. A much better idea would be to create an internet-like file-sharing network that can be accessed easily by citizens of each nation. This system would be much cheaper and more practical than the system currently in place.

I ask you now, as a fellow member of the United Nations, to go to the UN List of Proposals and support this, and encourage those in your region to vote for the resolution when the time comes. Please make certain that you endorse the repeal submitted by Pojonia. I thank you for your patience and cooperation.
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The Army of Prachya is pleased to announce that our telegramming campaing phase 1 has been completed. All nations have been contacted and in cases where the nation listed is no longer delegate, the delegate of the respective region has been contacted. We do have contact with several other delegates whom we will contact independantly, including the delegate of the new region Principality of Prachya (we do not control the delegacy there) additionaly we are no longer the delegate of Cold and Frozen Paradise and have nothing to do with that region now.
We look forward to seeing this repeal succeed, thank you for your hard work!

Denai
Ministry of the Exterior
U.N Affairs

The repeal is up, since apparently some of the telegrams are out. It forces my hand a little faster than I'd wanted, but nonetheless. You'll find it on Page 20, please let the delegates you're telegramming know where it is currently located.

This is actually probably a great time to submit it anyway. We'll get the weekenders and the school/work users who will be sure to check in after the weekend. I'll get my TGs out tonight.

Just reposting the revised form letter:
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Honorable Delegate:

I am writing to request your support for the proposal “Repeal the Global Library.”

When the author of “The Global Library” was confronted with the following facts during the resolution’s voting process, he decided to vote against his own resolution and encouraged others to do the same:

1) The resolution contains holographic imaging technology that is nonexistent and huge data transfer rates that are currently impossible. Both the holographic imaging and required data transfers are mandated by the resolution, but are in reality unnecessary. The amount of money required to develop this technology would drive most nations’ economies into the ground.

2) The resolution does not address copyright law in any way, thereby hindering the general creative drive of individual world citizens. The resolution requires that anybody’s recorded ideas (including books and any works of art) are to be seized and made available free to all citizens.

3) The resolution states that the library will be paid for by donation. However, it also states that every nation will receive a library installation, even if they don’t contribute financially. Seeing this, many nations have refused to donate money to the cause, knowing that they will reap the benefits anyway.

4) Physical library installations are an unnecessary financial burden. A much better idea would be to create an internet-like file-sharing network that can be accessed easily by citizens of each nation. This system would be much cheaper and more practical than the system currently in place.

I ask you now, as a fellow member of the United Nations, to go to the UN List of Proposals and support this, and encourage those in your region to vote for the resolution when the time comes. Please make certain that you endorse the repeal submitted by Pojonia. I thank you for your patience and cooperation.
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I too, have finished the first wave of my group.

The list could use a scrubbing - 4 out of the first 14 aren't delegates anymore.

The list could use a scrubbing - 4 out of the first 14 aren't delegates anymore.
Tell me which ones and I'll update. That goes for anyone having a problem reaching anyone on your list.

done!

And won at least one endorsement for the proposal for it!

My list, too, has been completed. Unfortunately, I only read the recent posts on this thread after I finished, five minutes ago, so I was not able to tel all the delegates on what age to find the pproposal. However, if they are their region's delegate, I will run with the assumption that they are bright enough to figure out the search tool. Thanks to Pojonia and Nargopia and the rest of the campaigners for the time and effort! Lets keep our fingeres crossed.
-Brondus Row, Ministy of Foreign Affairs, The Feifdom of Kreitzmoorland

I'd like to thank all the nationstates that responded to my telegrams so considerately. Even for the couple who did not support the repeal, I thank you for the response.

I'm meeting more great people from being involved in this campaign!

And I've been continually amazed at the creativity of all these different nations. The flags, the mottos, the animals...
Makes me wish that:

A) there were more customization settings we could make, so people could show off their individuality even more.

ii. nationStates had a better browsing capability for nations. I'm tempted to go and put their XML feed to the test and see if I could write a good renderer.

I had little computer time in the last few days, but I have sent the last of my telegrams and should be getting the results pretty quick. I think that's the last of us, so good job, everyone. Though the proposal is very well developed at the moment and needs a mere sixty approvals more, I'm still somewhat worried. Whatever you can do to bring additional delegates to the table would be incredible.

The Jynxing Mormons have not checked in, does anyone know if those telegrams were sent?

The Jynxing Mormons have not checked in, does anyone know if those telegrams were sent?
Yes, he sent me a telegram saying he sent them all. I too have sent my TGs, and have won over many delegates, much more than anticipated.

Voting ends tomorrow night, and we're still 52 approvals short.

Have we at least contacted all the nations active in the NSUN forum?
DLE, Mikitivity, Vastiva, etc.?

DLE started a thread on the forum about active members. We should make sure everyone who mentioned themselves there have been contacted.

24 short.

In case we don't get them in the next 12 hours, here's the list of approvers as it stands now. For future reference.

Approvals: 122 (Flibbleites, Krioval, Anglophones, Yelda, Grays Harbor, Monadnock, Peaonusahl, Pojonia, Nargopia, The Wild Cards, JayRoddia, Tiber City, The Kingsland, Asshelmetta, WZ Forums, Ald Rhun, Jynxing Mormons, Tommy rules, Cihlar, Tinis, Crydonia, Melmond, Lesser Jersey, Nova Capitalia, Kreitzmoorland, Lenno Bird, Lighfingerers, Sweetfloss, Gaiah, New Death Eggs, Somewhere 999, Easy-Going, Markodonia, Big Hat, Folly and Goodwill, Fookayooka, Trois Pont, Andromecca, RichyWorld, Free Garza, Ckech, Iznogoud, Foglorn, Neo Cobra, Origins Returned, Megasuperia, Brahumptia, A Tortured Mind, Greater Kamigawa, Ozhland, Luy, Repechagia, YTMND, UndergroundRacing, Darkwater9, The tokai, Naravostia, Zachnia, Novus Terra Reborn, Baribeau, Aaaronius, -Captain Murphy-, Lichto, New Akana, Cheesebean, Republic of Freedonia, Knuckles Promised Land, Caesar893, DougIsGodLand, Optima Justitia, Lisknatsiya, Incarnatia, Jinmish-Heijinchi, DragonSpeartopia, The Sneezed, JFriends, Pyrodex, Green Forrest People, United Necromancers, Joshburia, Al-Zar, SitromTaza, Elomeras, Asmodean, Erehwon Forest, Beezle-Bub, Legnarennat, Pottervillia, The Bruce, Sputnikov, Magiqa, Kevin Islands, Bloodmoon-Hyperion, North-Baltia, Incompetent Lunacy, Looplyness, Melloway, Aston, Docekaheedron, Bulgarian Legion, ZNY, Ataraxics, Bijanian Utopia, Tosser Land, Diamondtopia, New Endenia, Hussaini, FallenAngels13, Alindale, Pilot, Lancott, Hellmans, La Tropicana, Aquatnis, Khanrad, New Chelyabinsk, Mephestophilis, Nomopofok, Luna Amore, Beeradvocatestan, Balkanland, Constitutionals)

22 short now, and about 12 hours left. Now is the time to start telegramming random delegates NOT on your list or the list of already approved. Even the delegates who are not consistently active can be swayed, as I recall from the last campaign.

Only 11 short. Man, this is a real nail-biter.

Some of those inactive members I telegrammed not hours ago are showing up on the list. Please, make every effort to telegram whoever you can in the regional delegates list in the next few hours, we only need 10 approvals and we have somewhere around ten hours to achieve them. These next few hours are critical.

If you only need 10 votes at this stage, and your proposal is on the first page of the proposals list, I would be very surprised if it didn't make it to the floor. I don't want to curse it for you though.

But my humanitarian intervention proposal was in the exact same situation. I went to bed and when I got back up I was well over the limit. Voting seems to happen in bursts, probably due to time zones.

If you only need 10 votes at this stage, and your proposal is on the first page of the proposals list, I would be very surprised if it didn't make it to the floor. I don't want to curse it for you though.

But my humanitarian intervention proposal was in the exact same situation. I went to bed and when I got back up I was well over the limit. Voting seems to happen in bursts, probably due to time zones.

Same thing w/t convention

I'm telegramming everyone who's been active in the UN forum recently, or their delegate where appropriate.

If you only need 10 votes at this stage, and your proposal is on the first page of the proposals list, I would be very surprised if it didn't make it to the floor. I don't want to curse it for you though.

But my humanitarian intervention proposal was in the exact same situation. I went to bed and when I got back up I was well over the limit. Voting seems to happen in bursts, probably due to time zones.

I'm aware of this, but that doesn't stop me from last minute panic. I want this repeal to be over the limit as opposed to just scraping by, especially if there's still a chance that it could fail. So, I'll overkill as opposed to losing it by one approval.

Well just for a little support here. I simply love the way this repeal was worded. I did endorse the proposal because of such strong arguments for the reasoning. I completely agree with the proposal, and I really hope it reaches the floor. You only need like 8 now, so I am pretty sure that you will make it over the top. I really hope it does, as the global library made little sense to me.

Only 6 more! Aaaagh, I'm running around my room in a blind panic!

4 more!

I'm glad there's a crisis at work, or I'd be chewing my fingernails off.

Just go to bed already :} (That's what I did - when The Convention was lacking in 11 votes I went to bed and woke up with it at The Floor)

One more. :D

Approvals: 147 (Flibbleites, Krioval, Anglophones, Yelda, Grays Harbor, Monadnock, Peaonusahl, Pojonia, Nargopia, The Wild Cards, JayRoddia, Tiber City, The Kingsland, Asshelmetta, WZ Forums, Ald Rhun, Jynxing Mormons, Tommy rules, Cihlar, Tinis, Crydonia, Melmond, Lesser Jersey, Nova Capitalia, Kreitzmoorland, Lenno Bird, Lighfingerers, Sweetfloss, Gaiah, New Death Eggs, Somewhere 999, Easy-Going, Markodonia, Big Hat, Folly and Goodwill, Fookayooka, Trois Pont, Andromecca, RichyWorld, Free Garza, Ckech, Iznogoud, Foglorn, Neo Cobra, Origins Returned, Megasuperia, Brahumptia, A Tortured Mind, Greater Kamigawa, Ozhland, Luy, Repechagia, YTMND, UndergroundRacing, Darkwater9, The tokai, Naravostia, Zachnia, Novus Terra Reborn, Baribeau, Aaaronius, -Captain Murphy-, Lichto, New Akana, Cheesebean, Republic of Freedonia, Knuckles Promised Land, Caesar893, DougIsGodLand, Optima Justitia, Lisknatsiya, Incarnatia, Jinmish-Heijinchi, DragonSpeartopia, The Sneezed, JFriends, Pyrodex, Green Forrest People, United Necromancers, Joshburia, Al-Zar, SitromTaza, Elomeras, Asmodean, Erehwon Forest, Beezle-Bub, Legnarennat, Pottervillia, The Bruce, Sputnikov, Magiqa, Kevin Islands, Bloodmoon-Hyperion, North-Baltia, Incompetent Lunacy, Looplyness, Melloway, Aston, Docekaheedron, Bulgarian Legion, ZNY, Ataraxics, Bijanian Utopia, Tosser Land, Diamondtopia, New Endenia, Hussaini, FallenAngels13, Alindale, Pilot, Lancott, Hellmans, La Tropicana, Aquatnis, Khanrad, New Chelyabinsk, Mephestophilis, Nomopofok, Luna Amore, Beeradvocatestan, Balkanland, Constitutionals, Pyro Kittens, Purpleation, MDsLAND, Dizziness, Helsar, The Lands of the Nile, Ortanis, Kandarin, Euston, Grim Talents, Dangertk, Mudrak, Klashonite, The Elysian HolyEmpire, Erroneous Errol Island, Neon Skies, The Empire of Jason, Ossaca, UpsilonUC, Tierra del Queso, Catanacia, Acirema Detinu, Cresentos, Rosssophie, Solaris X)

Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue!

Love.

Alright, voting for this resolution ends Monday, which means I can rest easy til Tuesday (probably Wednesday) and work on the new proposal draft if I feel like it. More likely I'll just sleep.

Thanks to all who helped in the telegramming campaign, and to all those who gave their approval!

Congratulations! Way to go Pojonia and company!

Congratulations, well done! :fluffle:

Now to get really going on the new GL proposal. I think that if we get something solid within the next day or two, it will really help the repeal resolution to pass.

This is a well thought-out and executed repeal attempt, and barring overwhelmingly powerful argument from the nay-sayers will have the support of Enn.

Every nation to vote for this resolution we wish to encourage the spread of knowledge and literacy in the world.

Only then can democracy properly flourish, with nations properly able to assess and vote on resolutions. It will take the power from the warmongers, who supported the recent Humanitarian Intervention Proposal and hand it to more peaceful nations.

You have 100% support from our delegate for this resolution and on this occasion are prepared to use the Humanitarian Intervention Mandate, to end the tyranny of knowledge deprivation in any nation that opposes this wonderful repeal.

The glorious People's Republic of Groot Gouda has always been opposed to the global library, and feels that this repeal puts all our objections into proper words. We hope this repeal will pass and the Global Library project can be safely abandoned.

As new small poor democratic nation, the Commonwealth of Bucky Badger fully supports this resolution to repeal UN resolution 86 re: the Global Library. As a small state, we have better uses for our limited resources. To pour $$ into an unproven tech seems both wasteful and against our better judgement.

It seems most votes go towards "for" all the time.
Do people just see complicated wording and say "ooh that sounds good" and vote for it? Argh.

Yes, most truly do....

This is a very well-written, well-thought out repeal. On the surface, it looks like the best course of action to take; however, I urge everyone to be cautious about taking action until a replacement bill is proposed. The Global Library is a very good and necessary element, and I would hate for the idea to be expunged altogether.

This is a very well-written, well-thought out repeal. On the surface, it looks like the best course of action to take; however, I urge everyone to be cautious about taking action until a replacement bill is proposed. The Global Library is a very good and necessary element, and I would hate for the idea to be expunged altogether.

The new proposal is already being drafted out, you can find it under "The New Global Library". We've approached this repeal carefully, as we recognize the idealistic strength of such a concept.

Vallus, don't insult the U.N.s intelligence by saying that this is a matter of mass movement towards "For". A lot of work has been put into this, and I am certain that these votes are intelligent ones. I'm actually more concerned for the people who see the pretty wording, think "I can't understand this" and vote on ideals alone, which hopefully makes up the only resistance this repeal will find.

What a waste of time it was to read and vote on that. LOL.

Just because a poorer nation cannot afford the luxury of a Global Library, it doesn't mean that other nations that have the power and the wealth to fund the library cannot enjoy the technology of this library. I ask, as the a member of Foreign Affairs in the region of Aurora, that this repeal be reconsidered. That if a nation has the amount of wealth to afford this state-of-the-art technology, that it should be allowed.

Just because a poorer nation cannot afford the luxury of a Global Library, it doesn't mean that other nations that have the power and the wealth to fund the library cannot enjoy the technology of this library. I ask, as the a member of Foreign Affairs in the region of Aurora, that this repeal be reconsidered. That if a nation has the amount of wealth to afford this state-of-the-art technology, that it should be allowed.

Actually, the resolution says that the project will begin only when the funding is achieved. This means that absolutely no nation will have the benefit of a global library until the money is achieved to supply holotechnology and libraries to all U.N. Member Nations. Being wealthy has nothing to do with whether or not you reap the benefits of the Global Library, because there is little chance that even the wealthiest coalition of nations could pay for the costs required to hold all the worlds knowledge.

I thought about this, and I have had to vote against it. While the original resolution has its flaws, the fact that this is a repeal with an eye to replacing it worries me, as I am not convinced any replacement is going to do any better than the current resolution. And the current resolution has maybe one or two flaws, it does give nations something to aim for in the future - a goal to strive for together. I think it's something we need.

I thought about this, and I have had to vote against it. While the original resolution has its flaws, the fact that this is a repeal with an eye to replacing it worries me, as I am not convinced any replacement is going to do any better than the current resolution. And the current resolution has maybe one or two flaws, it does give nations something to aim for in the future - a goal to strive for together. I think it's something we need.

As one of the four primary forces involved in redrafting a GL-replacement proposal (the other three being Pojonia, Asshelmetta, and Nargopia), I disagree most pointedly with your assessment of this repeal. First, if as you suggest, the replacement is "no better" than the current resolution, we certainly haven't lost anything except a few minutes' debate. On the other hand, there is definitely room for improvement on Res. 86. Further, if you don't like the new proposal when and if it gets quorum, vote against it. It seems silly to me to oppose the repeal of a resolution one considers substandard simply because there is a possibility that a replacement will not be a significant improvement. While I would like to see a replacement resolution to Res. 86, it is by no means guaranteed to just sail through.

Any replacement resolution will similarly give nations "something to aim for in the future", and it can be accomplished with a strict funding guideline and by adapting technology most member nations already possess, upgrading and adapting as time goes by. But in any case, the arguments of your nation toward maintaining the status quo don't seem to agree with your desire that improvement is needed.

You not only got Frizale's support for the proposal, but you also have our support as a UN Delegate with votes.

I thought about this, and I have had to vote against it. While the original resolution has its flaws, the fact that this is a repeal with an eye to replacing it worries me, as I am not convinced any replacement is going to do any better than the current resolution. And the current resolution has maybe one or two flaws, it does give nations something to aim for in the future - a goal to strive for together. I think it's something we need.

As Krioval said, the resolution is being drafted and is actually looking to be an extreme improvement upon the original. Check "The New Global Library" thread, the third draft is up and is split into three seperate beneficial concepts.

I'm definitely voting for this with my UN Puppet.

I've got to say,

'This is teh badzors!! I want librare! :sniper: all those who dun want teh librare!!OMG!!'

(Everyone needs to look at the n00bs point of veiw every once in awhile. And then laugh.)

Past those formalities, I am for this repeal because of the implementation of a new, better proposal after this one.

Also, like it is stated, my nation isn't even CLOSE to having holographic technologies.
I am for this repeal of this disfunctioning proposal.

I'm really happy to vote FOR this repeal. My region voted against it in the first place, so we will surely approve this repeal. That resolution is/was just :eek:

Votes For: 3,549

Votes Against: 1,534

This says to me that at least seventy percent of the votes (thus far) are made by people who actually look at the body paragraph of the resolution. As opposed to

Repeal... Library? Library = good. Repeal = bad. Thog vote no.

It's a good feeling. No offense to the people "Against" I'm sure a few of you have valid reasons that I haven't heard of and I won't be telegramming you unless you're casting a hefty block of votes.

Unrequested abuse of Mod powers noted:
Repeal "The Global Library" [OFFICIAL TOPIC - don't start another!]

Tis fine by me. I haven't seen any extra topics springing up, so I'm going to assume the mods have been doing a good job at keeping them down anyways. Thanks very much!

I thought about this, and I have had to vote against it. While the original resolution has its flaws, the fact that this is a repeal with an eye to replacing it worries me, as I am not convinced any replacement is going to do any better than the current resolution. And the current resolution has maybe one or two flaws, it does give nations something to aim for in the future - a goal to strive for together. I think it's something we need.
The old proposal was never going to help you anyway.
You have no internet! You have no holograms!

You have elves and dragons!

NO I REFUSE LETS PASS THE RULE TO ONLY ALLOW FUNNY PROPOSALS NTO REALLY BORING ONES LETS PLAY THIS GAME SEE THAT WORD GAME IT MEANS FOR FUN NOT BORING OR SERIOUS :headbang: :headbang: xxx

Ladies and Gentlenations, my opposition on this repeal.

NO I REFUSE LETS PASS THE RULE TO ONLY ALLOW FUNNY PROPOSALS NTO REALLY BORING ONES LETS PLAY THIS GAME SEE THAT WORD GAME IT MEANS FOR FUN NOT BORING OR SERIOUS xxx

Ladies and Gentlenations, my opposition on this repeal.Let me know if you need any extra support debating these strong, well-thought-out arguments.

Unrequested abuse of Mod powers

Would it be possible to create some sort of poll, mainly dealing with the potential replacement proposal? That is, if it pleases the Great One. (OOC: :p )

You have the option to make the poll when you create a thread. Be careful with the options, make sure it's fair and unbiased and not a push poll. I'd do it myself, but I don't like polls and find them horribly inaccurate.

While The Rogue Nation of Flibblites approves of this repeal, our votes are still up in the air until we hear what the wishes of the region are.

The old proposal was never going to help you anyway.
You have no internet! You have no holograms!

You have elves and dragons!

We have magic. We can create huge imaginery dragons that will scare the life out of you (we won't do that, cause it wouldn't be polite).

Plus we have something to aim for - we might not have it now, but it's something to aim for in the future.

And seriously - cool imaginery dragons!

I thought about this, and I have had to vote against it. While the original resolution has its flaws, the fact that this is a repeal with an eye to replacing it worries me, as I am not convinced any replacement is going to do any better than the current resolution. And the current resolution has maybe one or two flaws, it does give nations something to aim for in the future - a goal to strive for together. I think it's something we need.

The current resolution has no flaws, it *is* a flaw. The whole implementation is not thought out, near impossible even. If we truly want some kind of global library, we need a better resolution. I haven't seen the new proposal, so I cannot comment on it, but I don't think it can be worse than what we have now.

Considering the government of Telidia’s considerable objection to the passing of this resolution when it was first voted upon back in January, we most certainly welcome this repeal. We have therefore no hesitation voting in favour of this repeal.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The current resolution has no flaws, it *is* a flaw. The whole implementation is not thought out, near impossible even. If we truly want some kind of global library, we need a better resolution. I haven't seen the new proposal, so I cannot comment on it, but I don't think it can be worse than what we have now.


I cannot agree more. The original resolution is so poorly thought out that I really think it is nothing more than a sham. I really just think the entire idea has good motives, but is quite impratical. I really do not see an effective way of enforcing any plans. It really makes no sense to me. But i am a regional delegate and i vote with the majority of my region, and right now its a tie and im waiting for the last person to vote.

One thing I would ask of nations who vote with their region is to make sure that their region is fully aware of the fact that A) the Global Library does not work and B) there's a new resolution being drafted. There's a fine line between ornate, professional wording and easily understandable wording, and while I feel I walked that line well, there's still nations that don't bother to read the repeal.

You do not have the support of Integrated America, for the simnpls fact of havin libraries in every nation will educate and increase the litaeracy of all occupants of this world.

... and perhaps their spelling.

Pojona,

All of the nations in my region read both and we are having heated debate, cause we all go to the same school. Personally, I am for the repeal, but i agreed to vote with the majority.

I am for the repeal because the as i said above, the whole idea is impractical. I think the wording is shabby at best, and I think only a well thought out and creative plan (with some solvency power) would be good. But I don't see that in resolution 86 and this is why it should be repealed.

We opposed the Global Library resolution on the grounds that it was unworkable. It's always good to see an unworkable resolution removed from the books.

I have no need to repeat what others have more eloquently stated on this subject. Therefore, I yield the floor.

Lord Evif sits down and immediately rises again, raising two fingers.

The TALLY CLERK. The Representative from Bawlmer?
Mr. EVIF. Aye.
The TALLY CLERK. Bawlmer's vote for Repeal "The Global Library" has been noted.

The vote-count tally behind the rostrum increments by one.

The old proposal was never going to help you anyway.
You have no internet! You have no holograms!

You have elves and dragons!

LOL! You're doing good to even have that! My people have finally figured out on their own how to count to twenty by removing their shoes! We are a god-awful long way away from achieving holographic technology! The GL resolution, as it was written, would virtually guarantee nobody gets holographic libraries, no matter how advanced the nation is, until smaller, less-developed countries like mine catch up. I for one don't want to be responsible for holding anyone else back, so you have my vote for repeal, and I will ask my UN delegate to concur.

My people have finally figured out on their own how to count to twenty by removing their shoes!
You have shoes? Why, in my nation ....


... audience has already wandered off.

Pojona,

All of the nations in my region read both and we are having heated debate, cause we all go to the same school. Personally, I am for the repeal, but i agreed to vote with the majority.

I am for the repeal because the as i said above, the whole idea is impractical. I think the wording is shabby at best, and I think only a well thought out and creative plan (with some solvency power) would be good. But I don't see that in resolution 86 and this is why it should be repealed.
Does your region have a regional board?

I'm sure several of us repeal workers would be happy to come there and talk about the logic behind the repeal and the plans for a replacement.

The delegates with the most votes who oppose the repeal as of tonight:


Oksamaa 49
Borgoa 42
The Derrak Quadrant 34
Magustein 26
Mehleesser 17
King Charles I 14
Windsor-Bainbridge 14
Pauliani Peoples 14
Rusiennne 12
Norig Ellison 12
Fincand 12
Maltese Falcon 11
Lehaim 11
Jonathalia 10
Great Maldovaria 10
Evil Woody Thoughts 10
Vast Principles 10

The delegates with the most votes who oppose the repeal as of tonight:


Oksamaa 49
Borgoa 42
The Derrak Quadrant 34
Magustein 26
Mehleesser 17
King Charles I 14
Windsor-Bainbridge 14
Pauliani Peoples 14
Rusiennne 12
Norig Ellison 12
Fincand 12
Maltese Falcon 11
Lehaim 11
Jonathalia 10
Great Maldovaria 10
Evil Woody Thoughts 10
Vast Principles 10


So... this is the list of nations to be nuked, is that what you're telling me?

The Derrak Quadrant is still against? I checked their region yesterday, and according to his post, the voting was 4 to 2 (For to Against) and now it's 6 to 2.

telegrammed, not nuked.

I really doubt that we're going to have to telegram these delegates, Asshelmetta. What's the pro/con ratio on the resolution? I think it's at least 2/1.

You do not have the support of Integrated America, for the simnpls fact of havin libraries in every nation will educate and increase the litaeracy of all occupants of this world.

Obviously, you might need the increased literacy. (Be nice, Pojonia, be nice... you promised...) ahem. But the fact remains that this resolution doesn't create libraries in every nation. So we repeal it.

Nothing irks me more than people who develop strong opinions on subjects they don't fully understand (or in this case, people who read the title of a resolution and form their position from that).

Although I wholeheartedly approve of the spirit behind original Global Library resolution, I support the repeal (barring some fanatastically persuasive argument not yet revealed).

I applaud the author of this repeal, Pojonia, and the many nations that have assisted in getting this repeal to the floor of the UN (nearly) passed (Nargopia, Asshelmetta, Kreitzmoorland, Army of Prachya, etc).

I am disappointed, however, by some of the hubris and disrespect shown in some of the more recent posts to this thread. Granted, some of the statements of opposition to the repeal have been begging for a put-down. Courtesy is nonetheless more persuasive and diplomatic. Also, some nations like TilEnca voiced a reasonable (whether or not correct) concern that the repeal could pass and a replacement Library not pass -- only to have that concern summarily dismissed as "silly" and then to have the nature of his nation attacked. Although TilEnca appears to have taken these responses in good humour, others (including those just reading the thread) may not. Beyond a simple plea for civility, it seems poor tactics to offend possible supporters. (I, for example, am one that can be moved to vote for/against a resolution -- assuming I don't otherwise feel strongly about it -- based on the character of the opposition/support. I don't think I am alone in this.)

Anyway, I apologize for the long post and do not mean to rain on (or jinx) your parade. Please take the intent (if not the quantity) of this post as 90% praise and 10% constructive criticism. I realize the latter is presumptuous, but it is well intended. The nature of your participation here suggests you will be receptive (or quite capable of telling me to take a hike).

i don't really like the global library either. i thought it was a dumb idea from the start. You have my full support in the campaign against the global library. Any of you may telegram me to get me more involved with this fight.

UN Delegate
Jynxing Mormons

Quite amusingly, this guy has one post. How did you not like it from the start? It was almost certainly implemented before your registration...

NO I REFUSE LETS PASS THE RULE TO ONLY ALLOW FUNNY PROPOSALS NTO REALLY BORING ONES LETS PLAY THIS GAME SEE THAT WORD GAME IT MEANS FOR FUN NOT BORING OR SERIOUS :headbang: :headbang: xxx

PRCC observes the frightening intellect of 'Wesleyland' and places them on their purge list...

Although I wholeheartedly approve of the spirit behind original Global Library resolution, I support the repeal (barring some fanatastically persuasive argument not yet revealed).

I applaud the author of this repeal, Pojonia, and the many nations that have assisted in getting this repeal to the floor of the UN (nearly) passed (Nargopia, Asshelmetta, Kreitzmoorland, Army of Prachya, etc).

I am disappointed, however, by some of the hubris and disrespect shown in some of the more recent posts to this thread. Granted, some of the statements of opposition to the repeal have been begging for a put-down. Courtesy is nonetheless more persuasive and diplomatic. Also, some nations like TilEnca voiced a reasonable (whether or not correct) concern that the repeal could pass and a replacement Library not pass -- only to have that concern summarily dismissed as "silly" and then to have the nature of his nation attacked. Although TilEnca appears to have taken these responses in good humour, others (including those just reading the thread) may not. Beyond a simple plea for civility, it seems poor tactics to offend possible supporters. (I, for example, am one that can be moved to vote for/against a resolution -- assuming I don't otherwise feel strongly about it -- based on the character of the opposition/support. I don't think I am alone in this.)

Anyway, I apologize for the long post and do not mean to rain on (or jinx) your parade. Please take the intent (if not the quantity) of this post as 90% praise and 10% constructive criticism. I realize the latter is presumptuous, but it is well intended. The nature of your participation here suggests you will be receptive (or quite capable of telling me to take a hike).

Agreed. I'm working on regaining my civility, I lost a lot of it in the New Global Library thread as it spiraled out of control. I'm taking a moderate break from the forums now save for this thread, as I have to work on regaining my composure.

To Increase the literacy of the world, we need Libraries, I we understand that not every country has the capital to build such an extensive netwrok, thus it is the duty of the United Nations to appropriate the capital to the respective countries.

The overall education of the populace will stem the birth rates of the populace in third-world countries. More educated people tend to have less children and have them at a later date.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the UN

Quite amusingly, this guy has one post. How did you not like it from the start? It was almost certainly implemented before your registration...
OOC: Actually, it wasn't (I know him personally). Just because he doesn't post here frequently doesn't mean that he doesn't follow the proposals and resolutions. If you want to get an accurate date from when Jynxing Mormons was established, check his population. I think all populations grow at generally the same rate in NS.

I really doubt that we're going to have to telegram these delegates, Asshelmetta. What's the pro/con ratio on the resolution? I think it's at least 2/1.
OK, I'll go along with nuking them if you insist.

To Increase the literacy of the world, we need Libraries, I we understand that not every country has the capital to build such an extensive netwrok, thus it is the duty of the United Nations to appropriate the capital to the respective countries.

The overall education of the populace will stem the birth rates of the populace in third-world countries. More educated people tend to have less children and have them at a later date.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the UN
We are not against libraries!

We are trying to make this better, not kill it.

Agreed. I'm working on regaining my civility, I lost a lot of it in the New Global Library thread as it spiraled out of control. I'm taking a moderate break from the forums now save for this thread, as I have to work on regaining my composure.
Don't take too much of a break. We'll need you in teh NGL thread.

Or is there something waiting for me there I don't know about?

;)

To Increase the literacy of the world, we need Libraries, I we understand that not every country has the capital to build such an extensive netwrok, thus it is the duty of the United Nations to appropriate the capital to the respective countries.

The overall education of the populace will stem the birth rates of the populace in third-world countries. More educated people tend to have less children and have them at a later date.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the UN

It would be kind of you to read the argumentation (and the repeal) before posting the exact same thing as everyone else, because we've covered this already. Arguing the benefits of the GL resolution is pointless because there is no way to achieve those benefits through this resolution.

Heh. "I we". I still find it humorous how those who refer to promoting literacy as a defense of the resolution are not, in themselves, particularly literate.

If the People of Pojonia would like to insult the Humble country of Integrated America, we are prepared for war, I as foreign minister ask why you would insult me and my country.

You act as though you are above your fellow nations, and above your fellow citizens of the UN. I find you a despicable fraud.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the United Nations

If the People of Pojonia would like to insult the Humble country of Integrated America, we are prepared for war, I as foreign minister ask why you would insult me and my country.

You act as though you are above your fellow nations, and above your fellow citizens of the UN. I find you a despicable fraud.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the United Nations
Prince Wilhelm, you live by yourself. You don't even have any rouge nations in your region to ally with.

Your economy isn't very good, and defense spending is low.

Pojonia, on the other hand, has a ready-made coalition including the delegates of several regions. He can in all likelihood muster 50 nations' might against you if you choose war.

It would be kind of you to read the argumentation (and the repeal) before posting the exact same thing as everyone else, because we've covered this already. Arguing the benefits of the GL resolution is pointless because there is no way to achieve those benefits through this resolution.

Heh. "I we". I still find it humorous how those who refer to promoting literacy as a defense of the resolution are not, in themselves, particularly literate.

If the People of Pojonia would like to insult the Humble country of Integrated America, we are prepared for war, I as foreign minister ask why you would insult me and my country.

You act as though you are above your fellow nations, and above your fellow citizens of the UN. I find you a despicable fraud.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the United Nations

I find both of these comments to be completely unnecessary and degrading to the quality of debate on this subject. I ask that national delegates to the United Nations please return to discussion on the merits of the repeal proposal rather than insult one another. I trust that this matter will be resolved in a peaceful and timely manner.

Lord Darvek Tyvok
UN Ambassador - Krioval
Regional Delegate - Chaotica

Pojonia, twenty-seven Nargopian Elite Special Forces Units are standing by should you need their aid in combatting this threat. Consider their service a token of gratitude for your continued hard work in this replacement project. I hope that any pissiness I have exhibited towards you was not taken personally, and will be considered a side effect of the stress of the Nargopian Grand Patriarch's recent heavy schedule.

If the People of Pojonia would like to insult the Humble country of Integrated America, we are prepared for war, I as foreign minister ask why you would insult me and my country.

You act as though you are above your fellow nations, and above your fellow citizens of the UN. I find you a despicable fraud.

Prince Wilhelm
Foreign Minister to the United Nations

I apologize for underexaggerating your literary capabilities. I do, in fact, find your postings far more coherent than most of my opposition. However, you still haven't posted any argumentation regarding what this repeal is actually talking about.

Fallacy: Personal Attack, Also Known as: Ad Hominem Abusive.

Description of Personal Attack
A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim or claims. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself. The truth value of a claim is independent of the person making the claim. After all, no matter how repugnant an individual might be, he or she can still make true claims.

From logical fallacies, http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/.html
I ask you once again, nicely this time, to read the repeal carefully before making your decision. You'll find it's not about getting rid of libraries at all, but rather about libraries that haven't been/will never be built. If you have actual argumentation as to the repeal, it belongs here and you have every right to insult me in the process. If you only want to insult me, declare war on me, or any other such ridiculousness, telegram me and I'll be happy to respond.

Pojonia, twenty-seven Nargopian Elite Special Forces Units are standing by should you need their aid in combatting this threat. Consider their service a token of gratitude for your continued hard work in this replacement project. I hope that any pissiness I have exhibited towards you was not taken personally, and will be considered a side effect of the stress of the Nargopian Grand Patriarch's recent heavy schedule.

Not a problem, Nargopia. I'm well aware of the 'pissiness' that results from a heavy schedule (in fact, I seem to be incapable of reducing pissiness even when I'm feeling laid back) and I sincerely don't believe you're guilty of any of it. Thanks for your aid, but it is my hope I'll never have any reason to use it. I'm not familiar with any of the RP rules for NationStates "War", but I'm sure some of it would probably have to do with my refusing to train an army - so I will do my best to avoid such trouble without compromising my idealistic grounds.

Prince Wilhelm, you live by yourself. You don't even have any rouge nations in your region to ally with.

Your economy isn't very good, and defense spending is low.

Pojonia, on the other hand, has a ready-made coalition including the delegates of several regions. He can in all likelihood muster 50 nations' might against you if you choose war.

How Dare you, you try to call Integrated America a rogue nation, this is a diplomatic process. First it is not a representatives job to correct a statement of another representative. Doing this is calculated as an act of aggression. Although I might not be able fight alone, I believe there would be plenty of countries coming to my aid.

To Pojonia: Although I do not support your repeal, I have read through your new resolution, I have recommended to our Prime Minister, and to the King of Integrated America, to put our support behind it.

I agree with the repeal. Though my region does not have a UN Delegate yet, I believe it is in the best interest of the world to repeal the "Global Library". It is too costly, unreasonable, and unstructured.

How Dare you, you try to call Integrated America a rogue nation, this is a diplomatic process. First it is not a representatives job to correct a statement of another representative. Doing this is calculated as an act of aggression. Although I might not be able fight alone, I believe there would be plenty of countries coming to my aid.

To Pojonia: Although I do not support your repeal, I have read through your new resolution, I have recommended to our Prime Minister, and to the King of Integrated America, to put our support behind it.
I did not call you a rouge nation.

I said you didn't have any rouge nations in your region.

If you're trying to get yourself blown up in a war, there are plenty of bored people in International Incidents who I'm sure would take you up on an offer.

Boooooooo!!!!!

Insert filibuster ad-infinitum.

As soon as I joined the UN, I went through the list of resolutions, and the one on the Global Library threw me off. The intentions are good, but as I'm sure many people have noted, not all nations have the means to have a Global Library established, especially with the techonologies mentioned in the resolution. I've voted for the repeal, and I'm glad that I was able to vote before the voting period was over! (It's the night of the 19th in Korea, where I live.)

Well, I've updated the first page so that you would have to be blind to miss the more casual interpretation of the resolution, so hopefully we'll receive less people who pay no attention to the repeals wording and the resolutions wording in this thread. It doesn't matter anyways, since this repeal is currently passing by a landslide, but I'd like to be sure everyones informed of the problems who can't see past the pretty wording.

Huzzah! It has been passed! Thanks to everyone who voted, you guys are great! It's a tremendous pleasure to have something I wrote up there, and a great source of pride to have rid the U.N. of a terrible resolution. Now, on to some real proposals, repeals are far too easy to write and far too tricky to pass.

Congratulations to all. UN Ambassador party at the Nargopian Grand Patriarch's tonight! BYOB.

i recieved a telegram regarding the Gobal Library. i agree not to form a gobal library.

The resolution Repeal "The Global Library" was passed 12,446 votes to 5,296.


That's a pretty convincing margin.

Wo0t!



You just repealed The Global Library. What are you going to do now?

I'm going to Disney World!

"Well it's time to Break out the Scotch..."

-Random Integrated American

Good work everyone! *reads new Global Library proposal*

Ding dong the witch is dead!