Equal Security Coalition
Grand Khazar
31-01-2005, 00:09
Hi there, this is Grand Khazar and I am the Author of the Equal Security Coalition proposal. I feel that we stronger nations need to help out fellow member nations who cannot help them selves. By doioing so, we not only protect the world from dictators, but also tie our fellow member closer to us, making true alliances much easier. Feel free to debate this with me. I may not respond right away but i will get back to you sometime i hope.
Would it be possible to post a copy here?
Hurrah hurrah! Well spoken friend.
I believe all nations should respond positively to this proposal. Delegates and supported nations should do everything in their power to get this proposal to a vote. It is the right and responsible thing to do.
Grand Khazar
31-01-2005, 00:16
Yes i shall copy for you my proposal. It is very brief, becasue i am lol. Thank you Roth dor for your support
Asshelmetta
31-01-2005, 00:23
Once we have this security coalition, can we use it to invade and annex rogue nations?
Oh, wait.
How is this security coalition intended to function in the case of a dispute between 2 NS UN members?
Equal Security Coalition
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.
Category: International Security
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Grand Khazar
Description: In member nations who are not able to defend themselves against despots, or rogue nations there is a call to help defend them.
Propose that all member nations who fear invasion, occupation, harrassment, or ruination, that stronger member states either lend materiel, troops, logistics, or funds for the greater good of the U.N.
Approvals: 8 (Grand Khazar, WZ Forums, Gaiah, Acada Demada, The Burning Sword, Aston, The Russian Empire, Dafidutopia)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Tue Feb 1 2005
Erm - I really only have one problem with this. My people feel that if a nation is basically teasing another nation (doing something to annoy it, or trying to cause a revolution in it), then it forfeits the right to having other members of the UN defend it.
Ok - I have another problem. Is this voluntary, or mandatory? If GeminiLand is invaded, will TilEnca be forced to give aid to them, even if we believe they deserved it for their actions?
Flibbleites
31-01-2005, 07:39
Equal Security Coalition
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.
Category: International Security
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Grand KhazarStandard stuff here.
Description: In member nations who are not able to defend themselves against despots, or rogue nations there is a call to help defend them.What about "Rogue Nations" who are UN members?
Propose that all member nations who fear invasion, occupation, harrassment, or ruination, that stronger member states either lend materiel, troops, logistics, or funds for the greater good of the U.N.First off this sentence doesn't make sense to be because the first part seems to be talking about something that is completly different form the second part.
Secondly, lend to who? If it's to the nation requesting it then there's no problem however, if it's to the UN to be used to defend the requesting nation then the resolution is illegal as it's trying to form a UN army.
Thirdly, as TilEnca already asked is this required or is it voluntary?
Approvals: 8 (Grand Khazar, WZ Forums, Gaiah, Acada Demada, The Burning Sword, Aston, The Russian Empire, Dafidutopia)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Tue Feb 1 2005 More standard stuff
Nargopia
31-01-2005, 07:45
The idea is good, it just needs to be rewritten with a LOT more specific wording. I would readily support it if the compulsory/voluntary issue brought up by TilEnca was addressed, and if regulations of military action were established.
Grand Khazar
31-01-2005, 15:34
Once we have this security coalition, can we use it to invade and annex rogue nations?
Oh, wait.
How is this security coalition intended to function in the case of a dispute between 2 NS UN members?
The UN is not a body of government in the business of annexing.
This coalition is intended to bolster the defensive capabilities of weaker member states in the UN if they want the help.
Also i am newer to this groups so i dont know your acronyms quite yet. What is NS
Grand Khazar
31-01-2005, 15:40
The idea is good, it just needs to be rewritten with a LOT more specific wording. I would readily support it if the compulsory/voluntary issue brought up by TilEnca was addressed, and if regulations of military action were established.
As far as i know, if this passes it enforced in all member nations. Does every nation need to get the funding if they do not want it? No they do not. I undestand some nations are pacifists and there for do not need to participate. But all nations would be required to offer some support even if not militarily but perhaps in relief efforts, or reconstuction capabilities.
Grand Khazar
31-01-2005, 15:43
Standard stuff here.
What about "Rogue Nations" who are UN members?
First off this sentence doesn't make sense to be because the first part seems to be talking about something that is completly different form the second part.
Secondly, lend to who? If it's to the nation requesting it then there's no problem however, if it's to the UN to be used to defend the requesting nation then the resolution is illegal as it's trying to form a UN army.
Thirdly, as TilEnca already asked is this required or is it voluntary?
More standard stuff
Lending money to the nation requesting it. Im not giving up sovergnty to the UN but using the UN as a vehicle to stregthen all member nations ifthey want it.
No you do not have to get assistance from the UN if you do not want it for what ever reason.
There will be times when I am not willing to provide even non-military assistance to nations. If a nation is engaged in a bloody war that it started, or it invited, then why should I help them?
By the way - NS means NationStates :}
I agree with the idea of it, but I think there should be more guidelines to when, who and why other UN Nations should come to the aid of another nation under attack.
Perhaps some sort of committee could be formed at the request of the UN member nation under attack (the When is covered on that one) and the committee will be comprised on UN member nations who are willing to come to the aid of the nation under attack (covers the who). The UN Member nation under attack will tell the committee what has happened, why they need help, than the committee will take a vote/discuss and act accordingly (and that’s the why).
Something like that, anyway, I could agree with.
Asshelmetta
01-02-2005, 06:08
The UN is not a body of government in the business of annexing.
This coalition is intended to bolster the defensive capabilities of weaker member states in the UN if they want the help.
Also i am newer to this groups so i dont know your acronyms quite yet. What is NS
NS is NationStates. This game we're playing.
I don't support this proposal. mutual protection is one of the reasons there are regions.
DemonLordEnigma
01-02-2005, 06:51
This leads to interesting paradoxes when UN nations invade UN nations...
I cannot support. If you cannot build up a military powerful enough to protect you and you have no allies, you deserve to die. That's my nation's viewpoint.
The Yoopers
01-02-2005, 14:39
I know you have quite a formidable force, but what if Terran and Terrator was attacked by an even more formidable force? Would you belive that you deserved to die yourself? $5.5 Trillion spent on defense to include Tiamat.
That's theoreticly enough to field and man 30 DLEGD10 Graviton Destroyers and their compliments of DLEAF10 Variant 1 fighters. I have a feeling your actual forces are much more deversified. But still, there are superpowers out their who could concievably take on even a force such as that on their own although I like the premptive strike ability.