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The proposal is currently in the proposal queue as following:

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Groot Gouda

The NationStates UN,

RECALLING resolution #46 "Legalize Prostitution" and the repeal of that resolution,

ALSO RECALLING Resolution #7 (Sexual Freedom), and Resolution #53 (Universal Freedom of Choice), which make sex a private issue, instead of a government issue, and stating "a populace granted the freedom to make choices in life is a happier, more content and more productive society"

AFFIRMING in accordance with the above mentioned resolution that each person has the right to decide over their own body, and has the right to sell ther body if they decide to, without government interference,

ASSUMING an increase in Sexually Transmitted Diseases, as well as an increase in crime, and higher pressure on police, in a situation where prostitution is illegal,

ACKNOWLEDGING that health risks exist, even with legal prostitution,

1. DECLARES prostitution legal throughout the UN: any person who is mature ,and capable of making their own decisions may become a prosititute,

2. EMPHASIZES that legalizing prostitution must coincide with regulation from the government, such as health and safety and other employment legislation, just like any other profession,

3. RECOMMENDS nations that want to limit prostitution to tackle the issue by its roots and create education and social programs that will give more choice to people who might want to become a prostitute,

4. REQUESTS all nations to stimulate a clean and attractive working environment for prostitutes, and advises cooperation with the sex industry to renovate old "illegal" prostitution areas in towns and cities,

5. CONDEMNS child abuse and slavery in accordance with earlier UN resolutions (End slavery, Child Labor, Outlaw Pedophilia, The Child Protection Act, Ban Trafficking in Persons, etc) and advises strong punishments against people involved with these despicable crimes that explicitly are not covered by legal prostitution.

Differences with the third draft of the previous "Legalize and regulate prostitution act":

Tital was The Adult Worker Safety Act

First clause was: 1. DECLARES prostitution legal throughout the UN, allow any person who is mature and capable of making their own decisions to become a prostitute,
(changed as per suggestion)

Fourth clause was: 4. REQUESTS all nations to stimulate a clean and attractive working environment for prostitutes, and advises cooperation with the sex industry to renovate old "illegal" prostitution areas
(clearing up that it's not just their rooms, but also the neighbourhoods)

Me likey. But the title isn't very obvious... I thought this was going to be an occupational safety resolution or something along those lines.

better.....good enough for me to abstain.

Me likey. But the title isn't very obvious... I thought this was going to be an occupational safety resolution or something along those lines.

First, I like this proposal. (Always have loved the text of it in fact.) :)

But I kinda agree with Kelssek. I have no objections the title, but I also understand why we aren't calling it the "Sex Industry Worker Act". I could see some moderators wondering if that is appropriate or not. I think it is, as a strong justification has been provided and the goal of the resolution is to provide people the ability to work in the sex industry with less interference from governments, such as regulation.

I'm just *3* responses shy of getting a nice 100 votes on my NationStates poll. I've not checked up on RomeW's, but I was hoping that together these would add some NationStates based defense for this proposal once it hits the floor.

Did anybody keep track of the Delegate votes on the Repeal Legalize Prostitution motion? If so, those that voted against the repeal would be prime Delegates to contact. If somebody gave me a list, I could break it up and a few of us could help in a telegramming campaign.

Because you could consider strippers part of the adult industry, and that they need protecting as well? (They could be considered under prostitution if you try hard enough)

I think this was suggested (can't find where though), and I kinda liked it. It doesn't sound as "bad" as prostitution or sex work.

But I'll change it, if people here think it's a big improvement.

Because you could consider strippers part of the adult industry, and that they need protecting as well? (They could be considered under prostitution if you try hard enough)

OOC: I dated a stripper once, and I'm sure she'd call stripping part of the sex industry. In her case, she just finished her undergrad in electronic music and couldn't find a job and really needed money. She stopped stripping because it wasn't a good experience. <-- that of course was just one person's experience

But without a doubt, I see no difference. In fact, that is the strength of the pro argument. If your country allows strip clubs or Playboy maganizes, it already has the industry. I believe Groot (correct me if I'm wrong here) is ultimately saying that nations need to be careful, but should recognize this and broaden the economic freedoms of people to allow them to consider to be active in other areas.

This looks fine. I'm leaning towards supporting it; however, I'll put it to my region.

Varia Yefremova
Speaker to the UN

The Groot Gouda UN Ambassador will be unavailable for this weekend due to urgent business elsewhere. Please keep on commenting here, all reactions will be read and incorporated in the final proposal which will hit the queue on Monday.

The Glorious People's Republic of Groot Gouda would like to thank everybody for their support and constructive criticism.

The Adult Worker Safety Act
Category: Free Trade
Strength: significant

The NationStates UN,

RECALLING resolution #46 "Legalize Prostitution" and the repeal of that resolution,

ALSO RECALLING Resolution #7 (Sexual Freedom), and Resolution #53 (Universal Freedom of Choice), which make sex a private issue, instead of a government issue, and stating "a populace granted the freedom to make choices in life is a happier, more content and more productive society"

AFFIRMING in accordance with the above mentioned resolution that each person has the right to decide over their own body, and has the right to sell ther body if they decide to, without government interference,

ASSUMING an increase in Sexually Transmitted Diseases, as well as an increase in crime, and higher pressure on police, in a situation where prostitution is illegal,

ACKNOWLEDGING that health risks exist, even with legal prostitution,

1. DECLARES prostitution legal throughout the UN, allow any person who is mature and capable of making their own decisions to become a prostitute,

This is well done, even though I disagree with your basic premise.

2. EMPHASIZES that legalizing prostitution must coincide with regulation from the government, such as health and safety and other employment legislation, just like any other profession,

This is a problem for my nation. As an anarchy, all economic transactions are "legal" and unregulated.

3. RECOMMENDS nations that want to limit prostitution to tackle the issue by its roots and create education and social programs that will give more choice to people who might want to become a prostitute,

4. REQUESTS all nations to stimulate a clean and attractive working environment for prostitutes, and advises cooperation with the sex industry to renovate old "illegal" prostitution areas

I just love the word "stimulate" in there. I had to chuckle at that. :)

2. EMPHASIZES that legalizing prostitution must coincide with regulation from the government, such as health and safety and other employment legislation, just like any other profession,

Texan Hotrodders, there appears to be a loophole you could exploit here. The way I read this, the specific wording means that implementing regulation is only necessary during the process of legalisation. Since you already legalised prostitution before the passage of this text, you technically aren't forced to implement regulation.

Texan Hotrodders, there appears to be a loophole you could exploit here. The way I read this, the specific wording means that implementing regulation is only necessary during the process of legalisation. Since you already legalised prostitution before the passage of this text, you technically aren't forced to implement regulation.

Cool. :)

I'm still voting against, but it's nice to have a loophole if it makes it. Good lookin' out. You can see quite well, _Myopia_. ;)

Thanks. Although I don't know if you'll be so grateful if the author decides to remove the loophole now that I've pointed it out.

EDIT: Oh, lol, I just got that. Oh dear. Little slow this morning. :rolleyes:

Thanks. Although I don't know if you'll be so grateful if the author decides to remove the loophole now that I've pointed it out.

Considering the amount of resolutions that have already passed despite my objections, that would just be a drop in the ocean, my friend. No worries. :)

Cool. :) By the way, I've always wondered, how do you RP being an anarchy with all the UN resolutions demanding government actions - don't they effectively create a government?

IC: To be honest, we would actually prefer it if your nation and others were forced to implement regulations in the interests of the workers of this profession. Without basic protection from the government, it is all too easy for legal prostitution to become as exploitative and harmful as illegal prostitution. We see the protection of the rights and freedoms of these workers as more important than national sovereignty.

Cool. :) By the way, I've always wondered, how do you RP being an anarchy with all the UN resolutions demanding government actions - don't they effectively create a government?

Bah. I just use legalistic and goofy loopholes to get around them. Besides, anarchy doesn't necessarily mean "no rules" (though in the case of my nation that is sometimes the state of affairs). Often it simply means "no rulers".

IC: To be honest, we would actually prefer it if your nation and others were forced to implement regulations in the interests of the workers of this profession. Without basic protection from the government, it is all too easy for legal prostitution to become as exploitative and harmful as illegal prostitution. We see the protection of the rights and freedoms of these workers as more important than national sovereignty.

I'm familiar with your preferences on that matter. :)

Grosseschnauzer supports this draft. Well done. Inasmuch as Grosseschnauzer treats this profession as a profession, and had health, safety, and other regulations already in place which are enforced by an annual licensing scheme, the resolution would not require any changes in the laws of Grosseschnauzer for implementation.

Once it is submitted you will have our support.

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

After the Tsunami resolution hits the floor, I plan to closely follow that debate, but afterwards I'd be happy to help campaign for this proposal. Are there another nations that would like to volunteer to telegram 10 or more (your choice on how many) Delegates?

We see the protection of the rights and freedoms of these workers as more important than national sovereignty.

Be that as it may, the political reality in NationStates is that the two prostitution resolutions came down to last minute voting: 1,500 votes the first time, and 1,300 votes or so the second time. That *is* the difference of one feeder and only a few small Delegates.

The way I see it, a tip to the sovereignty hat is more likely to not only pass by a larger majority, but it also less like to anger conservative nations into generating enough support for another repeal.

The reason I argued hard for this to include the words URGES is I think we need to realize that there are legitimate differences of opinion here. We actually need and care about their opinions.

[Do keep in mind that the North Pacific is still extremely unstable at present, and though the Delegate is reported to loosing endorsements, the North Pacific traditionally has carried between 300 and 700 votes. When you take a vote FOR and move it to a vote AGAINST that counts twice effectively. In any event, proponents of this resolution need to send some very polite telegrams to all the feeders.] ;)

1. DECLARES prostitution legal throughout the UN, allow any person who is mature and capable of making their own decisions to become a prostitute,


How about:


1. DECLARES prostitution legal throughout the UN: any person who is mature ,and capable of making their own decisions may become a prosititute,

Better phrasing, as the one in the proposal does not scan as a sentence.

Besides, anarchy doesn't necessarily mean "no rules" (though in the case of my nation that is sometimes the state of affairs). Often it simply means "no rulers".

But who enforces the laws which the UN resolutions demand?

Mikitivity, I think it's worth trying to pass as it is. If we really can't get past the national sovereignty crowd, then maybe think about revising it to suit them better.

This is a problem for my nation. As an anarchy, all economic transactions are "legal" and unregulated.

Although I recommend to regulate prostitution, if you don't for other professions then you are effectively treating it the same.

But the whole point of this resolution is to get prostitution legal and regulate it to benefit from the legalisation in a way that's impossible with illegal prostitution. Perhaps in an anarchy this can work with "regulation" in other ways than government induced, but I'm not sure how big this "loophole" is.

I'm not sure how big this "loophole" is.

I think it's big enough. It probably depends how you define "government", but there could be said to be no government in Texan Hotrodders, therefore any UN legislation specifically demanding that the government of a nation does x cannot be implemented in Texan Hotrodders - the UN is talking to someone who isn't there, effectively, so there's no way to carry out actions which are specifically demanded of government. However, I'd argue that resolutions which demand simply that some action muct be taken, without specifying that the government should do it, would have to be carried out by some entity within Texan Hotrodders (unless another sneaky loophole can be found) - e.g. industries would be forced by the gnomes to "voluntarily" self-regulate.

This is very difficult to work out, and I'm not even sure I agree totally with my own interpretation above. Maybe the issue of anarchist nations in the UN wasn't considered when Max decreed that UN resolutions would be impossible not to follow.

Oh well, in that case nations not liking this proposal can become anarchies. Somehow I think that won't happen :)

The proposal is now in queue for your approval as the Sex Industry Worker Act. Please approve it if you like it and/or spread the word!

I, Phantom of Krankor, in the interest of Worker Safety, feel that prostitutes should have as many guard rails installed in their place of business as possible. Same as all other workers.

A question, which may or may not have been answered previously:

How does the final wording in UN RESOLUTION #68 "Ban Trafficking in Persons" affect this debate, and the repeal of Legalize Prostitution?


I hereby urge the UN to take action. Decriminalize the women in prostitution but criminalize both the men who illegally buy women and children against their will, and anyone who promotes sexual exploitation, particularly pimps, procurers and traffickers.

(Bolding ours)

That resolution urges, this one mandates. I don't know whether there's a real difference between decriminalizing and legalizing though. I think it's the same.

Both resolutions stress that it's an individual decision, which shouldn't be forced on anyone. So these resolutions sort of strengthen each other.

That resolution urges, this one mandates. I don't know whether there's a real difference between decriminalizing and legalizing though. I think it's the same.

Both resolutions stress that it's an individual decision, which shouldn't be forced on anyone. So these resolutions sort of strengthen each other.

The repeal itself is valid, because you can't repeal multiple resolutions at the same time. Given that the second resolution came after the first, it does raise an interesting question. I'd actually argue that it is still decriminalized. But I wouldn't think it wouldn't hurt to re-stress this via a new specialized resolution.

I think something decriminalised can still not be legal, but perpetrators are not criminals and not subject to criminal punishments, rather civil penalties, whatever that means (perhaps fines? Not sure)

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