NationStates Jolt Archive

Education or job to all adult
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: East Varmland

Description: I want your nations to grant all of your people to eighter grant them jobs or education..
So the people in your country get better chans to improve themself and help out your nation..
And if the study should you support them white atlest 90% of miminal wage in salley (work-sallery)..

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 144 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Jan 22 2005


(side nr. 24 in proposel who is not on voting yet)..

Sounds good to me..

If it comes up - you got my support..

Why? Good iea, but very vague, no way to implement it or enforce it. Not to sound mean butit seems like more and more proposals are vague, and lack ways to enforce and implement what is being said. you can;t just tell countries to support education and employment for all. How will poorer countries afford to do this? What if a country is lacking a decent industrial sector?

Also, spell check and have other proofread before you submit a proposal.

there are already "free education" proposals.
jobs for everybody can't exist while many UN members has weak economy and others choose to grant their citizens with welfare despite jobs.
and you really need to improve your english. I am one of the worst english writers here, so if I tell you that you better listen.
also you had to write more. right now it seems almost nothing but rethoric, and even that has to be more.

I am one of the worst english writers here, so if I tell you that you better listen.
No mate, I'm not going to say anything.

You just take some getting used to that's all. And it's normally worth it.

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,

Description: I want your nations to grant all of your people to eighter grant them jobs or education..

Education in DLE is an affair done in the home. Due to the way our internet is set up, accurate information for many levels of learning is close to free. Once you get on the job, you learn the rest. And right now I have more job openings than I have people, so getting a job isn't a problem either. Even less of one when you consider my nation only hires citizens for jobs.

So the people in your country get better chans to improve themself and help out your nation..
And if the study should you support them white atlest 90% of miminal wage in salley (work-sallery)..

I try to keep my income tax below 10%, but most of the time it's around 13%. That isn't bad when you consider income tax and tariffs are the only taxes my nation has. You pretty much pay all your taxes for the year at once.

I can't approve this due to game mechanics violations (trying to limit income tax) and poor wording.

I agree that this proposal is poorly worded and vague.

I want your nations to grant all of your people to eighter grant them jobs or education..

"eighter" is eighty??

I can't just give jobs away to people. Suppose I have a shortage of Firemen and the only people I have available are too young or too old, too frail or too fat, or otherwise cannot pass the standard set for firemen. Am I supposed to put these people in danger??

So the people in your country get better chans to improve themself and help out your nation..

And suppose these 'jobs' we create out of thin air has no money to pay them. Seems to me like we are one step away from communism.

And if the study should you support them white atlest 90% of miminal wage in salley (work-sallery)..

I am going to try and decifer this, so excuse me if my translation is incorrect:

While citizens are furthering their education, the nation's government must pay them 90% of minimum wage.

Sorry, but no. It is not affordable to do this. I can just picture people quitting their jobs and signing up for a part-time night course on how to program the VCR and being paid to do so.

Help me get this get to voting...

I realy hope you support us..


A job is good for all people and some jobs need education..
Help them get it and make the people have a good life and make your country inprove..

How do you propose to create jobs where there is no need for them? How do you propose to prevent exploitation of paid education?

We need details.

Help me get this get to voting...

I realy hope you support us..


A job is good for all people and some jobs need education..
Help them get it and make the people have a good life and make your country inprove..


I will not help you get this proposal to vote for two reasons:

1) There are already resolutions regarding the education of our citizens:
"Education for All" gives a free education to every person under 16 years of age, and the repeat
"Free Education" gives free education to every person under 18,
"UN Education Committee" ensures that the school systems in our nations are safe, maintained, and offer a quality education experience, and
"Reformed Literacy Initiative" encourages literacy through government funding to teachers, and adults who are illiterate.

2) I will not approve of any resolution which requires my nation to provide jobs to the jobless. Any employment initatives will be run by my government without the UN's involvment, and I promise you that none of those initatives will just 'give' jobs to everybody. It would be lovely to be able to do that, but pesky reality just keeps getting in the way.

Help me get this get to voting...

I realy hope you support us..


A job is good for all people and some jobs need education..
Help them get it and make the people have a good life and make your country inprove..
If someone in my nation wants a job they can go out and find one, it's not my job to provide work for my citizens. And even if it was I would never have my nation's UN representative approve a resolution as badly spelled as this one.

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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

I will not help you get this proposal to vote for two reasons:
1) There are already resolutions regarding the education of our citizens:
"Education for All" gives a free education to every person under 16 years of age, and the repeat
"Free Education" gives free education to every person under 18,
"UN Education Committee" ensures that the school systems in our nations are safe, maintained, and offer a quality education experience, and
"Reformed Literacy Initiative" encourages literacy through government funding to teachers, and adults who are illiterate.
2) I will not approve of any resolution which requires my nation to provide jobs to the jobless. Any employment initatives will be run by my government without the UN's involvment, and I promise you that none of those initatives will just 'give' jobs to everybody. It would be lovely to be able to do that, but pesky reality just keeps getting in the way.
I completely agree. Several poloticians over the years have tried to do much the same thing but reality checks say it is neither possible nor feasible.

This proposal is ridiculous, childish cannon fodder. It focuses upon a vague, half-formed ideal of "hey, wouldn't it be great if everyone had jobs?" and then attempts to put this into politics without considering WHY it is that no one has already decided to give everyone jobs. If you are forced to provide all people with jobs, and are therefore unable to fire them because they would be jobless, you end up with inneficient workers who get by by not working or doing the job poorly. On a system such as this, you often end up with economic depression or a total collapse, so nobody has jobs. Poor governments can not afford to fund jobs for everyone. Education for all has already been implemented.

That being said, I reject this sorry proposal on the grounds that it is barely legible, utilizing fanciful and ridiculous words such as "eighter", "miminal", "Salley", "chans", "white atlest" to serve its purpose. Lack of clarity is always the first reason I choose not to support any proposal. The United Nations has its dignity, and implementing proposals that appear to have been drafted on the back of a notebook by a four-year old with a crayon makes us look like fools.

So, to conclude: Stop looking at just the ideal of the thing. Think about the real-life impacts, the redundancy, and most importantly, the grammar and spelling. "Eighter" that, or expect a lot of people to laugh at you unmercilessly.