NationStates Jolt Archive

Hello all again,

This is another bill I have been drawing up, all opinions welcome as always. Work is still going on with the Prison Reform Bill, and I only wish to have 2 bills going at a time. Well here is the first draft:

The Rights of the Mother and Child Bill

FULLY RECOGNISES the rights of all nations to reject the request of an impending mother to have an abortion.
DOES NOT ENFORCE that any nation legalise abortion.
HOWEVER URGES nation’s to enforce a law stating that a mother may have an abortion if either she or the baby is in any danger, mentally or physically.

REQUESTS that a nation’s healthcare system supports the mother financially through labour, by fully subsidising the treatment required.

RECOMMENDS that a mother will receive benefits per child for the costs of bringing up the child. The sum will be determined by each individual state.
REQUESTS that if a mother chooses to work while the child is under 11 years of age, that she receive further subsides to pay for a nanny.
FURTHER RECOMMENDS that the child receives free healthcare (this covers dental-care and optical-care) until he or she is 16.

URGES that a nation enforces a law stating that when a child has officially left home, the mother receives a bumper-benefit to cover any remaining debts caused by the child. This will be determined by the country itself.

STATES that when the mother reaches 65, she receives a state pension with extra benefits on top for being a mother, to again cover remaining debts, and help support her grandchild(ren).
FURTHER STATES that due to the health burden on the mother during pregnancy, labour and bringing up the child, that the mother receives subsidies for any further healthcare. This will be determined by the state.

DUE TO the amount of benefits and subsides being given out, the bill states that a regulatory body must be set up within each nation named the ‘Benefits and Subsidies Regulatory Committee’, to set rates of benefits and to keep track of system abusers.

Thank you,
Stansfeldland

Hello all again,

This is another bill I have been drawing up, all opinions welcome as always. Work is still going on with the Prison Reform Bill, and I only wish to have 2 bills going at a time. Well here is the first draft:

The Rights of the Mother and Child Bill

FULLY RECOGNISES the rights of all nations to reject the request of an impending mother to have an abortion.
DOES NOT ENFORCE that any nation legalise abortion.
HOWEVER URGES nation’s to enforce a law stating that a mother may have an abortion if either she or the baby is in any danger, mentally or physically.

REQUESTS that a nation’s healthcare system supports the mother financially through labour, by fully subsidising the treatment required.

RECOMMENDS that a mother will receive benefits per child for the costs of bringing up the child. The sum will be determined by each individual state.
REQUESTS that if a mother chooses to work while the child is under 11 years of age, that she receive further subsides to pay for a nanny.
FURTHER RECOMMENDS that the child receives free healthcare (this covers dental-care and optical-care) until he or she is 16.

URGES that a nation enforces a law stating that when a child has officially left home, the mother receives a bumper-benefit to cover any remaining debts caused by the child. This will be determined by the country itself.

STATES that when the mother reaches 65, she receives a state pension with extra benefits on top for being a mother, to again cover remaining debts, and help support her grandchild(ren).
FURTHER STATES that due to the health burden on the mother during pregnancy, labour and bringing up the child, that the mother receives subsidies for any further healthcare. This will be determined by the state.

DUE TO the amount of benefits and subsides being given out, the bill states that a regulatory body must be set up within each nation named the ‘Benefits and Subsidies Regulatory Committee’, to set rates of benefits and to keep track of system abusers.

Thank you,
Stansfeldland


You added to many benefits to being a mother, you make it sound like a financial decision instead of its actuall job.

Hello all again,

This is another bill I have been drawing up, all opinions welcome as always. Work is still going on with the Prison Reform Bill, and I only wish to have 2 bills going at a time. Well here is the first draft:

This already looks bad, just from the title.

The Rights of the Mother and Child Bill

FULLY RECOGNISES the rights of all nations to reject the request of an impending mother to have an abortion.

Illegal. It is an unofficial repeal of the Abortion Rights proposal. If you wish to repeal it, do so.

DOES NOT ENFORCE that any nation legalise abortion.

Illegal. See above.

HOWEVER URGES nation’s to enforce a law stating that a mother may have an abortion if either she or the baby is in any danger, mentally or physically.

Has no teeth.

REQUESTS that a nation’s healthcare system supports the mother financially through labour, by fully subsidising the treatment required.

Not financially sound, as medical systems vary from nation to nation, even with the previous resolutions.

Oh, already covered.

RECOMMENDS that a mother will receive benefits per child for the costs of bringing up the child. The sum will be determined by each individual state.

This just increases the tax on the taxpayers. If the mother is not capable of taking care of the child, she shouldn't have had it.

REQUESTS that if a mother chooses to work while the child is under 11 years of age, that she receive further subsides to pay for a nanny.
FURTHER RECOMMENDS that the child receives free healthcare (this covers dental-care and optical-care) until he or she is 16.

Already covered.

URGES that a nation enforces a law stating that when a child has officially left home, the mother receives a bumper-benefit to cover any remaining debts caused by the child. This will be determined by the country itself.

Go back to my statement about mothers unable to take care of children.

STATES that when the mother reaches 65, she receives a state pension with extra benefits on top for being a mother, to again cover remaining debts, and help support her grandchild(ren).

How about "I'll nuke your nation to dust before I do this?"

Keep in mind that the above does not take into account the species barrier. The UN is not just humans, and the variety of species in the UN includes creatures with a large range of lifespans. Some of those in the range include species that don't live 60 years and some that don't reach maturity in 60 years. You have to account for those as well.

Also, this is an unneccessary burden upon the taxpayers that will result in a form of economic collapse. I can't afford it.

FURTHER STATES that due to the health burden on the mother during pregnancy, labour and bringing up the child, that the mother receives subsidies for any further healthcare. This will be determined by the state.

Go back to what I said about being able to take care of children.

Also, I find this quite sexist in that is supports the mother but does nothing about the father. Also, what about species that have no male/female division?

DUE TO the amount of benefits and subsides being given out, the bill states that a regulatory body must be set up within each nation named the ‘Benefits and Subsidies Regulatory Committee’, to set rates of benefits and to keep track of system abusers.

Another useless committee.

How about "I'll nuke your nation to dust before I do this?"


Could I buy a couple nukes off you so I could make that threat to other proposal writers?

Sure! Ever since I found a large rock in space that was once a sun, I've had plenty of uranium.

So, this is a bill to... deny breeding-age females any rights, and to make the productive members of society subsidize a life of leisure for any woman who procreates?

If DLE attacks you, I'll be certain to lob a couple of cherry bombs over the border too.

Hello all again,

This is another bill I have been drawing up, all opinions welcome as always. Work is still going on with the Prison Reform Bill, and I only wish to have 2 bills going at a time. Well here is the first draft:

*sharpens claws*



The Rights of the Mother and Child Bill


I assume there's a definition of "child" in here?



FULLY RECOGNISES the rights of all nations to reject the request of an impending mother to have an abortion.

Illegal. You can't override another resolution without repealing that resolution.



DOES NOT ENFORCE that any nation legalise abortion.

Irrelevant.



HOWEVER URGES nation’s to enforce a law stating that a mother may have an abortion if either she or the baby is in any danger, mentally or physically.


When its a "baby", an abortion is irrelevant, as it's already born. Abortions are not retroactive in Vastiva.



REQUESTS that a nation’s healthcare system supports the mother financially through labour, by fully subsidising the treatment required.

No. This is hypocritical. We do not support the child's birth, we do not support their existance. IF you are too poor to have kids, don't.



RECOMMENDS that a mother will receive benefits per child for the costs of bringing up the child. The sum will be determined by each individual state.


Vastiva is not a welfare state, and does not choose to become one.



REQUESTS that if a mother chooses to work while the child is under 11 years of age, that she receive further subsides to pay for a nanny.

A call for funded childcare is reasonable, but not individual nannys.

This could also refer to a goat, no?



FURTHER RECOMMENDS that the child receives free healthcare (this covers dental-care and optical-care) until he or she is 16.

Isn't this somewhere in the resolutions already in several forms?



URGES that a nation enforces a law stating that when a child has officially left home, the mother receives a bumper-benefit to cover any remaining debts caused by the child. This will be determined by the country itself.


No.



STATES that when the mother reaches 65, she receives a state pension with extra benefits on top for being a mother, to again cover remaining debts, and help support her grandchild(ren).

We are not a welfare state.



FURTHER STATES that due to the health burden on the mother during pregnancy, labour and bringing up the child, that the mother receives subsidies for any further healthcare. This will be determined by the state.


We are not a welfare state.



DUE TO the amount of benefits and subsides being given out, the bill states that a regulatory body must be set up within each nation named the ‘Benefits and Subsidies Regulatory Committee’, to set rates of benefits and to keep track of system abusers.

Thank you,
Stansfeldland

Who pays for that committee?

Overall - one medium idea which needs work. The rest deserves to be boiled in oil and served to the proposer over some fava beans with a nice chianti.

We cannot support this proposal.


Sai

Army of Prachya's Diplomatic affairs office

U.N Delegate Nation
Cold and Frozen Paradise

FULLY RECOGNISES the rights of all nations to reject the request of an impending mother to have an abortion.I reject this right - I think that a pregnant woman has the right OVER the state.REQUESTS that a nation’s healthcare system supports the mother financially through labour, by fully subsidising the treatment required.Not all nations have healthcare systems.RECOMMENDS that a mother will receive benefits per child for the costs of bringing up the child. The sum will be determined by each individual state.
REQUESTS that if a mother chooses to work while the child is under 11 years of age, that she receive further subsides to pay for a nanny.Do you wanna pay for all this????FURTHER RECOMMENDS that the child receives free healthcare (this covers dental-care and optical-care) until he or she is 16.Already covered.URGES that a nation enforces a law stating that when a child has officially left home, the mother receives a bumper-benefit to cover any remaining debts caused by the child. This will be determined by the country itself.Splendid, the freedom to make this section irrelevant.
STATES that when the mother reaches 65, she receives a state pension with extra benefits on top for being a mother, to again cover remaining debts, and help support her grandchild(ren).1. Not all nations have pensions.
2. Not all nations have 65 as a pensionable age.

Seriously, some of us want to keep our taxation under control.... :rolleyes:

So, this is a bill to... deny breeding-age females any rights, and to make the productive members of society subsidize a life of leisure for any woman who procreates?

We also will not, in any way, shape, or form support this.

Motherhood is a choice. I'd rather not put a proposal through rewarding the bad choice made by women to raise children that they are not capable of raising.

I would rather not throw money at these people without taking into account how good their work is.

I would rather not support a bill that is illegal.

I would rather not support something so blatantly sexist as this. Don't some men raise children too? Is the only worthwhile vocation for a woman motherhood?

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

I think after all of this anti-bill sentiment, I will shelf it and continue no further. Thank you very much for your comments.

Sure! Ever since I found a large rock in space that was once a sun, I've had plenty of uranium.
Me so happy!

In honor of the historic trade pact reached between our nations, I've changed my .sig, my nation's motto, and my currency.

Hello all again,

This is another bill I have been drawing up, all opinions welcome as always. Work is still going on with the Prison Reform Bill, and I only wish to have 2 bills going at a time. Well here is the first draft:

The Rights of the Mother and Child Bill


DOES NOT ENFORCE that any nation legalise abortion.
HOWEVER URGES nation’s to enforce a law stating that a mother may have an abortion if either she or the baby is in any danger, mentally or physically.


RECOMMENDS that a mother will receive benefits per child for the costs of bringing up the child. The sum will be determined by each individual state.
REQUESTS that if a mother chooses to work while the child is under 11 years of age, that she receive further subsides to pay for a nanny.
FURTHER RECOMMENDS that the child receives free healthcare (this covers dental-care and optical-care) until he or she is 16.

URGES that a nation enforces a law stating that when a child has officially left home, the mother receives a bumper-benefit to cover any remaining debts caused by the child. This will be determined by the country itself.

STATES that when the mother reaches 65, she receives a state pension with extra benefits on top for being a mother, to again cover remaining debts, and help support her grandchild(ren).
FURTHER STATES that due to the health burden on the mother during pregnancy, labour and bringing up the child, that the mother receives subsidies for any further healthcare. This will be determined by the state.

DUE TO the amount of benefits and subsides being given out, the bill states that a regulatory body must be set up within each nation named the ‘Benefits and Subsidies Regulatory Committee’, to set rates of benefits and to keep track of system abusers.


Thank you,
Stansfeldland




Ya so...no.

In this resolution you only deal with mothers, what about single fathers. Don't they deserve the right to all this fantastic support.


FULLY RECOGNISES the rights of all nations to reject the request of an impending mother to have an abortion.
What right does the state have over this? Would you prevent women from seeking abortions elsewhere in the world?

REQUESTS that a nation’s healthcare system supports the mother financially through labour, by fully subsidising the treatment required./QUOTE]


Money for a nanny, I don't think so, do you know how expensive these are? You will completely drain the state.
As for giving a mother a top up when her child leaves the home? You don't say how much? This is to cover any debts they have mounted during the childs life...so by your standards we can all go to Harvard and when I graduate the state will pick up the tab?? Are you printing your own money?/

You want to give grandmothers money?????? Insane...so they can help their grandchildren..why not just pimp them out???

I agree with your free health care, I suggest you throw it in for the single parent or low income familes also