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1.The Noble Foundation is established under the terms of the will of the engineer Dr. Alfred Bernhard Noble, drawn up on November 27, 1895, which in its relevant parts states:

"The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. The prizes will be decided by a Committee. It is my express wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize."

2. The Committee shall be formed by 15 members, elected by the General Assembly every 7 years.

3. To be eligible to be considered for a prize, a written work shall have been issued in print or have been published in another form.

4. If a work that is being rewarded has been produced by 2 or 3 persons, the prize shall be awarded to them jointly. In no case may a prize amount be divided between more than 3 persons.

5. A work may not be awarded a prize, unless it by experience or expert scrutiny has been found to be of such outstanding importance as is manifestly intended by the will.

6. To be considered eligible for an award, it is necessary to be nominated in writing by a person competent to make such a nomination. Competence to submit nominations shall be incumbent on representatives of the field of culture in question, in conformity with detailed regulations issued by the Nobel Committee. Each year the prize adjudication shall embrace such nominations as have been submitted during the preceding twelve months up to February 1.

7. Nominations should be explained and accompanied by the publications and other documents cited in support of them.

8. On the Festival Day of the Foundation, December 10, which is the anniversary of the death of the testator, the Committee shall present to each prizewinner a check for the amount of the prize, a diploma and a gold medal bearing the image of the testator and an appropriate inscription. It shall be incumbent on a prizewinner, whenever this is possible, to give a lecture on a subject relevant to the work for which the prize has been awarded.

9. No appeals may be made against the decision of a prize-awarding body with regard to the award of a prize. Proposals received for the award of a prize, and investigations and opinions concerning the award of a prize, may not be divulged.

10. The Board of the Foundation shall establish financial limits on the work that the prize-awarding bodies perform in accordance with these statutes.

First and most importantly, why should the UN get involved?

Second, in reality the Nobel Institute has no association with the UN that I know of. If your intent is to simluate it in NSworld, this isn't what you should be going for.

And by involving politics in Nobel Prizes, you just open up potential problems. As you just posted, Nobel didn't want nationalism and politics to get involved. By having the committee elected by the UN, you're basically guarenteeing those two fun little things WILL get involved.

First and most importantly, why should the UN get involved?

Second, in reality the Nobel Institute has no association with the UN that I know of. If your intent is to simluate it in NSworld, this isn't what you should be going for.

And by involving politics in Nobel Prizes, you just open up potential problems. As you just posted, Nobel didn't want nationalism and politics to get involved. By having the committee elected by the UN, you're basically guarenteeing those two fun little things WILL get involved.

Why not? I think that it could be a good award for most important persons in the world, no?

About the politicals problem, you have reason. Which could elect the Committee if not the General Assembly? The international organization by the other UN resolution?

I agree with Kelssek. Plus, there was no Dr. Nobel in NS.

I also agree with Kelssek and _Myopia_.

And wouldn't this just lead to only recognising achievement in the UN?

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

I actually like the basic idea, but I do not feel it should be called a Nobel Prize, on the grounds that this is "our make believe" game to play. An United Nations Peace Prize on the other hand is something that would be nice to have. The mods have long held that we can create committees so long as we don't mandate game mechanics changes or forum activity.

I'd suggest rewriting your idea, but paring down the specifics and details.

I rather like the idea ...

( And when I explain why I won't even scare you all with my usual QUOTE attacks )

" Second, in reality the Nobel Institute has no association with the UN that I know of. If your intent is to simluate it in NSworld, this isn't what you should be going for. "
- Kelssek

Well, since we are in a some what different position then the real world, we can surely adapt ? I don't recall a League of Nations formulating a PoW Convension but we seemed to do okay when we generated our own ..

" I agree with Kelssek. Plus, there was no Dr. Nobel in NS. "
- _Myopia_

True, there was ( That we know of, ! ) no Dr Nobel in NS, but there is nothing stopping us from emulating his historic act of initiating the Nobel Prize, or some other similar prize with a different name ... Not to be the same thing, of sorts, but to provide the idea of emulating such an institution and what it does. Support human advancement.

( Or some really smart chap or lady could come up with a N.O.B.L.E. acronym for us, heh ! )

" And wouldn't this just lead to only recognising achievement in the UN? "
- Giordano

So ? As I recall we cannot enforce law on the non-members any way, so why not make something we, the U.N. can enjoy for us ? It gives us something for our sake, will help the U.N. attract the international mental elite while also making a lure for new member-ships, in theory, there-fore adding to the might of the U.N. and making more nations subject to its laws. More countries in the U.N. means more PoW act signatories, more Sexes Rights Law signatories, more signatories for all our laws.

I think Mikitivity is right, in that perhaps with some mild re-working it could be a more then viable target for U.N. attention.

I actually like the basic idea, but I do not feel it should be called a Nobel Prize, on the grounds that this is "our make believe" game to play. An United Nations Peace Prize on the other hand is something that would be nice to have. The mods have long held that we can create committees so long as we don't mandate game mechanics changes or forum activity.

I'd suggest rewriting your idea, but paring down the specifics and details.

"The Toriella Prize" - it has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Or the Desdemona prize after our missing delegate.

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

"The Toriella Prize" - it has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

:)

On a serious note, I think that the author of the proposal, Real Sylvania, could possible ask moderation how they would feel if he / she created a fictional person to name the UN Peace Prize after ... or he / she could follow already established NS UN History and name it the Real Sylvania Prize.

It took it nearly a year after the passage of the Wolfish Convention for another RPed name to make it back to the UN, and it was in the form of the Eon Convention. I tried several times to have a Miervatian Alcohol Accord, but that idea was rather unpopular with players. I think there is a trade-off behind having a cool / fun name and a descriptive name.

My advice to Real Sylvania would be to work on the draft and then contact delegates first to see if the basic idea has enough support. Pro-Human Rights votes on the past few resolutions might make a good political base to bounce your ideas off of. (In addition to having forum active nations reply.)

I did find the history of the Nobel Prize interesting, and all that background material is still a go for being posted on the forums.

The mods have long held that we can create committees so long as we don't mandate game mechanics changes or forum activity.

I'd suggest rewriting your idea, but paring down the specifics and details.

I agree. I like the idea of a peace prize, or some other form of achievment, and I like the seemingly "old school" idea of committee. I also agree it needs to be re-written. I'd be more than happy to telegram some for it once it's drafting is cleared up.

" I agree with Kelssek. Plus, there was no Dr. Nobel in NS. "
- _Myopia_

True, there was ( That we know of, ! ) no Dr Nobel in NS, but there is nothing stopping us from emulating his historic act of initiating the Nobel Prize, or some other similar prize with a different name ... Not to be the same thing, of sorts, but to provide the idea of emulating such an institution and what it does. Support human advancement.

It was just that I didn't think including Nobel's RL will in the proposal would go down well with the mods.

I think any redraft should do its utmost to prevent the politicisation of the prizes.

Re-writed:

1. The UN peace prize shall be donate to the person or an organisation who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. The prizes will be decided by a Committee. In awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize.

2. The Committee shall be formed by 10 delegate elected by the most important international humanitarian organisations, recognized by the UN, every 5 years.

3. If a work that is being rewarded has been produced by 2 or 3 persons, the prize shall be awarded to them jointly.

4. A work may not be awarded a prize, unless it by experience or expert scrutiny has been found to be of such outstanding importance as is manifestly intended by the will.

5. To be considered eligible for the award, it is necessary to be nominated in writing by a person competent to make such a nomination. Competence to submit nominations shall be incumbent on representatives of the field of culture in question, in conformity with detailed regulations issued by the Committee. Each year the prize adjudication shall embrace such nominations as have been submitted during the preceding twelve months up to February 1.

6. Nominations should be explained and accompanied by the publications and other documents cited in support of them.

7. On the Festival Day of the Foundation, December 27, the Committee shall present to each prizewinner a diploma and a gold medal bearing the image of a group of three men forming a fraternal bond and the inscription "Pro pace et fraternitate gentium". It shall be incumbent on a prizewinner, whenever this is possible, to give a lecture on a subject relevant to the work for which the prize has been awarded.

8. No appeals may be made against the decision of the Committee with regard to the award of a prize. Proposals received for the award of a prize, and investigations and opinions concerning the award of a prize, may not be divulged.

Re-writed:


2. The Committee shall be formed by 10 delegate elected by the most important international humanitarian organisations, recognized by the UN, every 5 years.

5. To be considered eligible for the award, it is necessary to be nominated in writing by a person competent to make such a nomination. Competence to submit nominations shall be incumbent on representatives of the field of culture in question, in conformity with detailed regulations issued by the Committee. Each year the prize adjudication shall embrace such nominations as have been submitted during the preceding twelve months up to February 1.

7. On the Festival Day of the Foundation, December 27, the Committee shall present to each prizewinner a diploma and a gold medal bearing the image of a group of three men forming a fraternal bond and the inscription "Pro pace et fraternitate gentium". It shall be incumbent on a prizewinner, whenever this is possible, to give a lecture on a subject relevant to the work for which the prize has been awarded.


The clauses I removed, I think are fine. The clauses I've left could be mistaken to imply that there may be a game mandated activity ... and could end up angering the gods (-g +m). ;)

But here is my suggestion to make it clear that this is a roleplayed idea, and not a mandate ...

2. The Committee shall be formed by 10 individuals elected by the most important international humanitarian organisations, including the pernament UN staff, once every every 5 years.

Even this could be misinterpetted as implying a forum activity, but maybe less likely so.

My advice would be to actually take your text (and only if you like what I or others suggest) all to the moderators (Cog and Hack are currently the most active here) and just ask for their unbiased advice. If they say they feel this is legal, good! If not, just keep trying to make changes until it passes their approval.

It may be fine as is, but it never hurts to not rush things and get a second and more official opinion. :)

1. Politicization is almost unavoidable in something like this, but could be alleviated by having longer terms, and staggering them.

2. I notice you didn't include the fake Economics "Nobel".

If we're going to do it in NS, we should do it better than the original, and that means reconsidering the categories. Ole Alfred purposely didn't create a Mathematics prize, possibly because he didn't want Mittag-Leffler winning it. The original designations have little application to many of today's scientific advances. Perhaps it would be better to have a mechanism for replacing outmoded categories with more relevant ones.

Then, we should consider whether applied science is the appropriate focus for awards of this stature. Yes, there is a literature prize, but there is no Nobel Art prize. Hmmm... that way may lie madness. One could foresee a Nobel for Film making, or for Rap Music.

Perhaps it would be better to reconsider the Literature and Peace prizes. The Peace prize especially has been laughable. Wangari Maathai got it for planting trees? Rabin and Arafat got it for killing each other's populaces? Oh, and how about that award to Kofi Annan and the UN - how would that play in the media if the Nobels were awarded by a UN committee?

Also, we should reconsider whether a large amount of cash is the appropriate prize. Not that there's anything I personally would prefer... but maybe there's something more appropriate possible.

1. Politicization is almost unavoidable in something like this, but could be alleviated by having longer terms, and staggering them.

If we're going to do it in NS, we should do it better than the original, and that means reconsidering the categories.

Also, we should reconsider whether a large amount of cash is the appropriate prize. Not that there's anything I personally would prefer... but maybe there's something more appropriate possible.

Actually I agree with all three of these points. Staggering sounds wise, we certainly should at least consider having awards for a few categories, and finally if there is a cash award, I'd rather it be a grant provided to the charity of the recepient's choice or something along those lines.

About international organisations, I mean the International humanitarian organisation formed by UN proposal (like IRC): the problem is solved with this solution, I think. About mandate, 9 years could be better.

About prizes, nobody had said that other matter could be good about other UN prizes. In example, an economic prize could be used for free trade and also physics.

About cash prizes, who had said that there is one? It could be, but not so necessary. In RL, I think that the prize is more important than the cheque that winner receives.

And about real Nobel, what is the problem for passed winners? If it is an indipendent body, it could choice which it want.

@Mikitivity: if you want try a re-writing and talk to moderators, fom me it's ok.

You seem to have cut out some things, but left in others which now don't make sense (the bold bits are my corrections , some for grammar and style; blue bits are to give you some idea why I've messed around with your words, or why you ought to change them)

1. The UN peace prize shall be donated[ to the person or an organisation who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. The recipients of the prize (prizes should be singular, since you've eliminated all but the peace prize) will be decided by a Committee. In awarding the prize no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize.

2. The Committee shall be formed by 10 delegates elected by the most important international humanitarian organisations, recognized by the UN, every 5 years.

This is a little vague. Also, saying delegates suggests UN nations who are delegates of their regions. If you just mean individuals will be elected, them say judges or something.

3. If a work that is being rewarded has been produced by 2 or 3 persons, the prize shall be awarded to them jointly.

4. A work may not be awarded a prize, unless it by experience or expert scrutiny has been found to be of outstanding importance. (there was a reference to the will here, which you have cut out of the rest of the proposal)

5. To be considered eligible for the award, it is necessary to be nominated in writing by a person competent to make such a nomination. Competence to submit nominations shall be incumbent on representatives of the field of culture in question, in conformity with detailed regulations issued by the Committee.(I don't know what to do with this sentence, but if you're only including the peace prize, you should tailor this bit to that prize - it is currently written to apply to a range of prizes) Each year the prize adjudication shall embrace such nominations as have been submitted during the preceding twelve months up to February 1.

6. Nominations should be explained and accompanied by the publications and other documents cited in support of them.

7. On the Festival Day of the Foundation, December 27, the Committee shall present to each prizewinner a diploma and a gold medal bearing the image of a group of three men forming a fraternal bond and the inscription "Pro pace et fraternitate gentium". It shall be incumbent on a prizewinner, whenever this is possible, to give a lecture on a subject relevant to the work for which the prize has been awarded.

8. No appeals may be made against the decision of the Committee with regard to the award of a prize. Proposals received for the award of a prize, and investigations and opinions concerning the award of a prize, may not be divulged.

I agree that you ought to include some prizes other than peace prizes. You should also decide on exactly what form the prize should take (I like Mikitivity's idea, although if you were to include science prizes, the money could be used to fund research of the winner's choice). Finally, as to the "international humanitarian organisations", I don't know what qualifies any of the bodies created by the UN to select the committee.

About C&P, you have reason, sorry.

About prize, I like the idea of only the certificate and the medals. About the international organisations, I think that for peace prices they could be the right less politicizated bodies.

1. The UN peace prize shall be donate to the person or an organisation who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. The prizes will be decided by a Committee. In awarding the prize no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize.

2. The Committee shall be formed by 10 persons of high morality and renowned for humanitarian diligence,elected by the most important international humanitarian organisations, recognized by the UN, every 7 years.

3. If a work that is being rewarded has been produced by 2 or 3 persons, the prize shall be awarded to them jointly.

4. To be considered eligible for the award, it is necessary to be nominated in writing by a person competent to make such a nomination. Each year the prize adjudication shall embrace such nominations as have been submitted during the preceding twelve months up to February 1.

5. Nominations should be explained and accompanied by the publications and other documents cited in support of them.

6. On the Festival Day of the Foundation, December 27, the Committee shall present to each prizewinner the diploma and the gold medal bearing the image of a group of three men forming a fraternal bond and the inscription "Pro pace et fraternitategentium". It shall be incumbent on a prizewinner, whenever this is possible, to give a lecture on a subject relevant to the work for which the prize has been awarded.

7. No appeals may be made against the decision of the Committee with regard to the award of a prize. Proposals received for the award of a prize, and investigations and opinions concerning the award of a prize, may not be divulged.

Hi! Because Real Sylvania was become our puppet nations, I want to repropose the UN Peace prize. Category: global disarmament.

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Yesterday this proposal achieves 76 approvations. I hope that this time achieves the quorum.