NationStates Jolt Archive

Article I
All people are entitled to life, Liberty, The pursuit of happness, and the ownership of property.

Article II
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Article III
The right of the people to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, unless a search warrant is issued.

Article IV
No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Article V
No law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government

Article VI
No law shall be made abridging the right of the people to own firearms.

Article VII
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within any nation.

Article VIII
The right of citizens of any state to vote shall not be denied or abridged by any state on account of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or previous condition of servitude.


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What do you think? is it good? what would you change?

i need imput!

Don't like it.

Article I
All people are entitled to life, Liberty, The pursuit of happness, and the ownership of property.
Fluff. Entitled to life? How does that work out? Right to be born or the right not to die? Either way we oppose it.

Article II
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Random, I see nothing wrong but we don't have an army.

Article III
The right of the people to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, unless a search warrant is issued.
Fine, I suppose.

Article IV
No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Covered, unless you are talking about theocracies. It's a little unclear.

Article V
No law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government
Covered.

Article VI
No law shall be made abridging the right of the people to own firearms.
No thanks.

Article VII
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within any nation.
Covered.

Article VIII
The right of citizens of any state to vote shall not be denied or abridged by any state on account of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or previous condition of servitude.
Covered.

This is also, I think, illegal as it deals with different categories in one proposal.

Rose,
Acting UN representative,
The Black New World

I'd start by looking over existing resolutions and eliminating the lines that have already been addressed by previous legislation. You might also consider that this would not fit into any single UN proposal category, and that is a requirement. You might also consider that posting selected elements of the US bill of rights without making any effort to alter it to the needs of NationStates is typically frowned upon.

Yeah, I'd agree that you need input.

Article I
All people are entitled to life, Liberty, The pursuit of happness, and the ownership of property.


No one has a right to own property if they can't afford it, or to pursue happyness if it is going to cause unhappyness to someone else.


Article II
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Erm - is that a soldier on duty, or just someone who happens to be a soldier. Cause if (for example) there is a fire that takes out half of one of our major cities, we might require the other half to put someone up for the night. And if that person is a soldier and his family, they still have to put them up.


Article III
The right of the people to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, unless a search warrant is issued.


Erm - no. There is a thing called probable cause that means if we have suitable evidence to suggest they are hiding something either on their person on in their house we can go search with without a warrant. (For example if we believe Mr Jones has two five year old girls locked up in his basement, because we saw him lead the girls in to his house, we don't need to waste time going to get a warrant. We just break the door down and go in after him). The reason being in the time it takes to get the warrant the five year old girls could be dead.


Article IV
No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.


There is a law that does this already.


Article V
No law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government


There is also a law about this (I think?). And even if there isn't I think that should be a matter of national interest, not international.

Also if half the city is quarantined because of a flu outbreak, we are going to prevent people from peaceably assembling in that half of the city, because we don't want any more sick people. And the people who are quarantined are probably going to be denied the right to assemble anywhere else, cause we don't want any more sick people.


Article VI
No law shall be made abridging the right of the people to own firearms.


Bwahahahaha. Oh - you were serious? Well no one has a (legal) gun in our country. Not the police, and not the citizens. And we are totally crime free. So no - you are not putting guns in the hands of our people. Sorry.


Article VII
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crimewhereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within any nation.


There is a law about this already.


Article VIII
The right of citizens of any state to vote shall not be denied or abridged by any state on account of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or previous condition of servitude.


There are SEVERAL laws about this already.



i need imput!

Provided. I admit the input appears to be "scrap it" but in a polite way :}

Article I
All people are entitled to life, Liberty, The pursuit of happness, and the ownership of property.

Life is not an entitlement. It's too easily taken away to be such. Liberty is only if you have earned it. The persuit of happiness is limited by how you affect others. And property is not an entitlement if you cannot afford it.

Article II
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Too many scenarios to make this realistic that would require them in the homes of citizens.

Article III
The right of the people to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, unless a search warrant is issued.

Defiine "unreasonable" for this.

Article IV
No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Article V
No law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government

Already covered.

Article VI
No law shall be made abridging the right of the people to own firearms.

So you want me top be handing guns out to criminals, who have proven they are not trustworthy enough to own them? Expect the death toll in your nation to skyrocket in response.

Article VII
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within any nation.

Already covered.

Article VIII
The right of citizens of any state to vote shall not be denied or abridged by any state on account of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or previous condition of servitude.

Already covered.

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What do you think? is it good? what would you change?

i need imput!

Just scrap it and move on.

Granted that you have to respect others' rights, the right to pursue happiness is fundamental, and as Jefferson put it "unalienable". Same with property, life, and liberty.

I would tend to vote for this proposal if it came up.

Let's plagarize historical documents and put it in a resolution. Brilliant!

I think an UN NS "Bill of Rights" is "referencing" a decent source of good ideas, but I do find it restrictive for those who do not prefer Lockean ideas prevading in their nation state. However in imaginary places like the United States, legislation has gotten around them with broader interpretations of the rights to citizenry here.

Smells good, but the packaging is all wrong.

Let's plagarize historical documents and put it in a resolution. Brilliant!

For some reason, I was reminded of a certain set of beer commercials...

For some reason, I was reminded of a certain set of beer commercials...

Heh heh, I know nothing makes me crave a cold one like the inalienable rights of mankind... :D

I'll be damned if the UN thinks that they have the power to tell me what my soliders can and cannot do in enemy lands.

I'll be damned if the UN thinks that they have the power to tell me what my soliders can and cannot do in enemy lands.
We don't think. Democracy willing.

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

“This is a blatant outrage against all that our nation holds dear! This outrageous proposition wishes to ban the righteous compulsion of heretics to worship our glorious Lord! This offence against nature seeks to further reinforce the irrational ban this body espouses against slavery! This atrocity in writing guarantees the right of the unqualified – even children by its wording! CHILDREN! – to own deadly weapons!”

Lord Jehvah sat down, and looked at the TilEnca representative, no guns indeed… This place was a mine of information he might one day find useful.

Article I
All people are entitled to life, Liberty, The pursuit of happness, and the ownership of property.

Article II
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Article III
The right of the people to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, unless a search warrant is issued.

Article IV
No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Article V
No law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government

Article VI
No law shall be made abridging the right of the people to own firearms.

Article VII
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within any nation.

Article VIII
The right of citizens of any state to vote shall not be denied or abridged by any state on account of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or previous condition of servitude.


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What do you think? is it good? what would you change?

i need imput!


Isn't that pretty much a rip off of much of the Bill of Rights off the US constitution?

Yeah, it is.

This was already covered and is repetitive. There was a rewcent resolution about fairness and equality. I would recommend reading past resolutions. Also, you have no way to implement or enforce this.

Isn't that pretty much a rip off of much of the Bill of Rights off the US constitution?

Still, the author of this draft raises a wonderfully stimulating intellectual point, to wit: If you could rewrite the US Bill of Rights, what would you change? Which parts of it would you retain, which would you modify, and which would you delete?

Such questions promise to beget a most enlightening intellectual discussion.

[Note: This an observation independent of the arguments as to whether or not this draft is repetitive (e.g., the Universal Bill of Rights) or otherwise worthy of passage in its present form.]