NationStates Jolt Archive

Description: UN Resolution #17: Required Basic Healthcare (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: It is not the right of the UN or any other nation to say what the government of another nation can and can not do with the healthcare of its citizens. It should be left up to each individual nation as to what the initiative for healthcare should be. Thus it would also be in the best interest of nations in the economic sense. No longer would there need to be the extra tax requirement on the citizens of nations to keep the unhealthy healthy. If members of nations can pay for healthcare while others can not then it is the problem of the members who can not and should not be a concern of the government or any individuals that are healthy.

What is it with newbies and trying to repeal everything under the sun?

Argument: It is not the right of the UN or any other nation to say what the government of another nation can and can not do with the healthcare of its citizens.

:Adds another name to the list of people who didn't read the FAQs:

The UN can decide what it likes as long as the mods don't feel otherwise. Read the FAQ.

It should be left up to each individual nation as to what the initiative for healthcare should be. Thus it would also be in the best interest of nations in the economic sense. No longer would there need to be the extra tax requirement on the citizens of nations to keep the unhealthy healthy. If members of nations can pay for healthcare while others can not then it is the problem of the members who can not and should not be a concern of the government or any individuals that are healthy.

National sovereignity arguement. Invalid due to the fact the UN has the right to override national sovereignity anytime it decides to.

Description: UN Resolution #17: Required Basic Healthcare (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: It is not the right of the UN or any other nation to say what the government of another nation can and can not do with the healthcare of its citizens. It should be left up to each individual nation as to what the initiative for healthcare should be. Thus it would also be in the best interest of nations in the economic sense. No longer would there need to be the extra tax requirement on the citizens of nations to keep the unhealthy healthy. If members of nations can pay for healthcare while others can not then it is the problem of the members who can not and should not be a concern of the government or any individuals that are healthy.

This is an interesting resolution to target for repeal, as another resolution technically already repealed it long before repeals were formalized. Not having been a UN member at the time, I don't know if amendments and repeals in resolutions were allowed at the time or not.

But the two Required Basic Healthcare resolution are some of the most interesting in NationStates in raising questions of which one really takes priority. :)


First, despite what some players might say, *all* UN resolutions are eligible for repeal. The NationStates Game UN FAQ doesn't really encourage or discourage this.

Second, if you wish to present a "Sovereign Rights" argument ... which is what I think you are doing, there is a double edged sword that I'd recommend you use (though it can be turned against you as well):

The Rights and Duties of UN States resolution:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030090&postcount=50

Specifically look at the following:

The Principle of National Sovereignty:

Article 1 § Every UN Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.

Article 2 § Every UN Member State has the right to exercise jurisdiction over its territory and over all persons and things therein, subject to the immunities recognized by international law.

Article 3 § Every UN Member State has the duty to refrain from unrequested intervention in the internal or external economic, political, religious, and social affairs of any other NationState, subject to the immunities recognized by international law.


Any player who says you don't know the history of the UN is ignoring the first part of this famous resolution ...

However, this is what they will throw back at you:


The Role of the United Nations:

Article 9 § Every UN Member State has the right to equality in law with every other UN Member State.

Article 10 § Every UN Member State has the duty to carry out in good faith its obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law, and it may not invoke provisions in its constitution or its laws as an excuse for failure to perform this duty.

Article 11 § Every UN Member State has the duty to conduct its relations with other NationStates in accordance with international law and with the principle that the sovereignty of each UN Member State is subject to the supremacy of international law.


With that in mind, I'd like to quote the UN Secretariat (i.e. game mods -- Cogitation in particular) on this subject, as taken from the following post:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7...26&postcount=16



Can the UN meddle in these matters? Yes, this is set in NationStates rules.

Should the UN meddle in these matters? This is decided by vote of the UN member nations.

That said, I'd like to encourage people to not focus on what the UN "can" or "can not" do, but instead I'd recommend you revise your argument next time and change your text to say, "The UN should not pass specific mandates dealing with ..."

I'm not saying I agree with you. In fact, my nation is certainly neutral in this case. But I did want to say that your opinion has just as much merit as the others ... and if you change "can" to "should".

Good Luck to You,
10kMichael