NationStates Jolt Archive

When The region of Role Play University was elected back in the infant days of the U.N. to be the HQ for all diplomatic relations, this drastically increased the ammount of people going there, at one point up to hundreds *estimate*. However while browsing the the region I have now seen the official closure of Role Play University, Within a week it will close and thus the U.N. HQ will no longer have a home.

To counter this U.N. Members should now decide upon a new HQ for the United Nations as the center of diplomatic relations. By Martin Luther King Day (U.S.) The region will no longer exist and thus we will eventually have to vote some time. To avoid the hassle please reply as to suggestions to where the new U.N. should be located and it will be decided though the way which RPU was chosen as the U.N. HQ.

When is Martin Luther King Day? I'm not American, so I haven't got the foggiest idea of when in the year that holiday is.

It's 1 week from now.

I offer Terran and Terrator. The region is mostly empty, set up with RP in mind, and you don't have to worry about invasions taking over the region. If you want boards, I can set them up in less than a day.

I offer Terran and Terrator. The region is mostly empty, set up with RP in mind, and you don't have to worry about invasions taking over the region. If you want boards, I can set them up in less than a day.

All thanks to hyperboards *thumbs up*

I think it should be in one of the Pacifics or Rejected Realms. They have the most nations, newbies come and go, and to put it in a region where there are players like myself or "Lord Voldermort" <-- real name hidden to protect his/her ego, would alienate the other player.

The other option is to put the UN in the region of one of the moderators. I'd recommend Cogitation or the Most Glorious Hack. They are required to be neutral and don't sit around flaming newbies, whom we want to participate in the UN forum.

I think it should be in one of the Pacifics or Rejected Realms.

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The other option is to put the UN in the region of one of the moderators. I'd recommend Cogitation or the Most Glorious Hack. They are required to be neutral and don't sit around flaming newbies, whom we want to participate in the UN forum.

I agree. Having just looked around for a new home much of my time on today, I definitely found the feeder regions to be centers of a lot of the action on Nationstates. UN membership and activity could probably be increased if a nation is exposed to the UN, the headquarters at that, once founded. There'd also need to be cooperation from a nation there to roleplay it out, I believe...

But, at the same time, not all nations want to be in the UN. Rather than forcing a nation into a UN region as soon as it steps into the door or gets kicked out of a region, we should probably choose one that is currently not really used for much. You're likely to have one of my alts in whatever region it ends up being anyway (need to get Sarkaraseta and Sarkarasa out of my main region). The only reason I haven't moved one into a UN region is the fact I didn't intend to be in the UN this time around and got a UN nation handed to me after being asked by the owner of that nation to represent their views here. I figured I might as well go with what Fate had handed me.

All Terran and Terrator is used for is to store my many alts at this point. I haven't done anything with it since the first day. I don't even know if there are other nations in it besides the ones I own. So, really, the region is perfect because it is unused, can be changed as needed, and the natives can be mostly gotten rid of without actually harming the purpose of it.

I would support Terran and Terrator as the headquaters. I could also supply ships to help patrol the immediate area in case of attack. While I know there are already formidable forces there, it would be possible for a couple of larger spacefareing nations to break through.

If I may be so bold: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_halls_of_the_un

Or we can just watch the UN Gnomes build their own home just to spite all of us.

Well, if the Gnomes support it, I'm not going to oppose it. I'm still trying to undo the effects of that one time I angered them and they rewrote my laws to require my people to throw darts at my leader.

*bribes the UN Gnomes to help pass a resolution to make me ruler of the UN*

Morning all. I'm the co-founder of Role Play University, along with retired moderator Stephistan.

Let me start by providing you with the history of RPU becoming the home of the UN, and what that really meant for the region.

RPU was a unique region - we founded it to help players learn the skills needed to fully enjoy their time on NationStates - there were classes on various role-playing skills - classes on creating a UN proposal - classes on regional politics.

I idea was that RPU was outside the normal game of NS...for instance, there was never any in-character talk in our regional forum, because while RPU was a region in NS - we had set ourselves apart my taking on this mission.

We were also well protected. In addition to Stephistan at least three other moderators had puppets in the region. Twice invaders attempted to attack RPU. It proved a fatal or near fatal decision for both.

I don't believe the moderators were present because of the UN - I believe they were there because RPU was a great region for debate and discussion of RL events -- especially politics.

RPU never advertised the fact that we were the HQ for the UN. Primarily because it would have attracted more invasions, and secondly, because we never really knew what to do with the title.

It didn't bestow and special status on us - it didn't necessarily draw people to us - our region never exceeded 60 people - mostly puppets - and mostly NON-UN nations.

That's not to say that it couldn't be used to attract people. But you would also attract invaders, region crashers and the like.

I would make this suggestions to whomever is applying to house the NS-UN - ensure you have an active founder, and ask a couple mods to put puppets in the region.

Cheers,
W.

Wolifsh,

I've always admired your and RPU's contributions to the game, however for most of 2004 RPU has been absent from the NS UN.

In that time, Tuesday Heights, Galdago, and myself have several times tried to recreate what you established. The closest we've come to is:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php

Please check out the forum.

This is not a *region*. This is a collection of groups designed to do much of what we felt was actually missing in NationStates in much of 2004. A connection or continunity between prior UN decisions and current UN policy making *and* a non-confrontational discussion of politics.

I'm not suggesting that the United Nations Organizations be the "role played" headquarters. In fact, I'll like to second the motion that the "physical" UN headquarters be located with the UN Gnomes, whom *are* currently cleaing the proposal list and conveying our wishes to the UN Secretariat (i.e. moderators) as needed. The UN Gnomes have not once engaged in any violation of the rules (and not just because they are relatively new). ;)

All that said, I'd like to invite anybody interested in seeing more UN based roleplaying that goes beyond discussions on current resolutions to check out the United Nations Organizations.

It is *not* an invite only forum.
It is *not* a forum designed to promote any single belief.

Finally, I'd appreciate any constructive comments / suggestions regarind the site. :)

It is *not* an invite only forum.
It is *not* a forum designed to promote any single belief.

Always nice to know.

We may send someone over.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

Always nice to know.

We may send someone over.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

I'd appreciate that.
You can always lurk. :)

If I may just voice an opinion.. RPU was a completely unique region for the rest of NS. It probably will not be duplicated any time soon.. it was a great thing that Wolfish did for NS. I only taught the UN courses.. he pretty much taught every thing else. It was I who went up against few regions in the early days to "win" this UN status.. and I object very strongly to the title being taken off-site. I would be more than fine if Tuesday Heights region was bestowed the honor.. it's another really great region. However, the thought of a NS title being taken off site is.. well unthinkable. As RPU was the only region in NS history to hold the title, I think that our wishes should at least be considered.

Thank you.. and RPU thanks the many older nations who gave so much to us in our time.

In peace and friendship,

Stephanie.

I offer: Region: Security Council (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=un_security_council)

Ballotonia

I'm actually thinking that since there is really no region like RPU was on NS any more, as we were a school.. to teach and didn't take sides.. that perhaps the title should just die as we know it with RPU. Then if the members of the UN would like to start it up again, they would of course be free to do so, but it would not be associated with RPU in any way. Let the current title die with RPU. That's kind of where I am leaning.

If I may just voice an opinion.. RPU was a completely unique region for the rest of NS. It probably will not be duplicated any time soon.. it was a great thing that Wolfish did for NS. I only taught the UN courses.. he pretty much taught every thing else. It was I who went up against few regions in the early days to "win" this UN status.. and I object very strongly to the title being taken off-site. I would be more than fine if Tuesday Heights region was bestowed the honor.. it's another really great region. However, the thought of a NS title being taken off site is.. well unthinkable. As RPU was the only region in NS history to hold the title, I think that our wishes should at least be considered.


Could you clarify your post here? It sounds like you are objecting to the name United Nations Organizations and I feel the need to defend it. It is not a region, nor was it created to be one.

The UN Gnomes *are* the Most Glorious Hack, whom have been doing a pretty good job cleaning the UN proposal queue. I've sat a few times on IRC and watched him go through the process and he is very open about it, and explains some of his decisions. The experience is eye-opening and educational for those of us interested in a behind the scenes peak at the NS UN.

That is why I'd suggest any "roleplayed" headquarters be placed under his care. As a moderator, we've already placed our trust into him. :)



As for longer turn policy discussions about the UN ...

The UNO has been active since Nov. 2004, and before that was on a different location as the United Nations Association. Galdago and others have had an active UNSC since Feb. 2004, and Galdago set up a UNCIAT months ago:

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~lst4606/ns/unciat/

Tuesday Heights (the nation, not region) and Mikitivity (the nation) worked together in Sept. 2004 to establish the first United Nations Association (based on the real life UNA). The UNA was to be a loose confederation of NGOs from nations that have an academic interest in the UN. We started working together and formed the group, because frankly there was nothing active like it.

The major deliverable of the UNA process was to create the UNO and start a series of printable summaries of UN activity, for example:

http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/Ressummary.pdf
http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/HR.pdf
http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/SJ.pdf

Or images like:

http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/Dec2004.gif
-or-
http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/votingsupport.gif

In any event, have you looked at the UN Organizations forum? If not, please do, as I'd really appreciate any feedback that could be given. I honestly wanted it to be a place where players could *talk* about the NS UN.

Too often the continuity and history of the UN is lost. This forum has too much turnover from day to day to keep as many threads as we've set up on invisionfree.

But just as you've put a lot of work into the UN in 2003, there are some of us whom have been active participants in it in 2004. :(

Yeah, it could never go to a nation or even a few, it would disgrace what it stood for. It has to be a region.

Also, I agree I have been out of the limelight of the UN for some time. We were the early nations. I don't argue with that fact.

Again, perhaps the current title should die with RPU.. nothing is stopping the current UN members with coming up with a new title, with their own set of guidelines to be met to be considered.

Also, for the record, the title was given to RPU before I was a moderator.. so that's almost two years ago.. it had nothing to do with myself being a moderator. So that's not really a valid argument either that "it should just be handed over to a mod because we trust him"

You seem to be advocating for the title as near as I can see, so why don't you create a region that deserves the title.. an off-site forum isn't going to cut it. It is our title to give up after all. With all due respect.

Peace,
Stephanie.

Also, for the record, the title was given to RPU before I was a moderator.. so that's almost two years ago.. it had nothing to do with myself being a moderator. So that's not really a valid argument either that "it should just be handed over to a mod because we trust him"

You seem to be advocating for the title as near as I can see, so why don't you create a region that deserves the title.. an off-site forum isn't going to cut it. It is our title to give up after all. With all due respect.

I'm *not* advocating for the "UN Headquarters" to be located in my region. I believe you are misunderstanding me here.

Have you looked at the forum and judged it for what it is?

As for passing the "location" of the UN Headquarters to a region controlled by a game mod, this is done for neutrality. I believe the point behind having a nominal headquarters location is for the purpose of those players whom roleplay in the International Incidents forum and want to talk about the UN Headquarters.

In your absence, ideas have been suggested in the past year to put the UN Headquarters on a neutral island. It is a name, nothing more.

{Edit: For the UNO, are you suggesting that it is inappropriate for me to have done this work? If so how would you have handled this?}

Also, I agree I have been out of the limelight of the UN for some time. We were the early nations. I don't argue with that fact.


Oh yes, I forgot to ask ... does this mean that you and possibly Wolfish have returned? :)

No, no, I am not questioning even really what region it goes to.. that would be up to the UN members not myself. I am only one UN member, heck, I'm not even a delegate any more..lol. All I am saying is you can't give the title to an off-site forum.. I don't care what they do there. Unless of course it's attached to a region, then that might be different.

Also, the only reason I left the UN as an active member was when I became a mod I didn't have time, so I went over to General to rot my brain instead..lol (it didn't require as much thought) Didn't mean I still didn't know what was going on in here.. ;)

I'm okay with whoever you guys decide.. as long as it's a NS region, as the title was meant for.

Why not even then make a thread with a poll of the current very active regions on the UN forum and let the UN members vote? Heck, maybe we should even write up a proposal! Let people vote on it. I mean given it really is only symbolic, it wouldn't involve game mechanics. Perhaps that's the best way to go. *Shrug*

Peace,
Steph.

Why not even then make a thread with a poll of the current very active regions on the UN forum and let the UN members vote? Heck, maybe we should even write up a proposal! Let people vote on it. I mean given it really is only symbolic, it wouldn't involve game mechanics. Perhaps that's the best way to go. *Shrug*

These sound like really good ideas. Perhaps a mechanism similar to that used in Mikitivity’s “Favorite UN resolutions of 2004” could be used to decide which regions make it into any final poll.

No, no, I am not questioning even really what region it goes to.. that would be up to the UN members not myself. I am only one UN member, heck, I'm not even a delegate any more..lol. All I am saying is you can't give the title to an off-site forum.. I don't care what they do there. Unless of course it's attached to a region, then that might be different.

Also, the only reason I left the UN as an active member was when I became a mod I didn't have time, so I went over to General to rot my brain instead..lol (it didn't require as much thought) Didn't mean I still didn't know what was going on in here.. ;)

I'm okay with whoever you guys decide.. as long as it's a NS region, as the title was meant for.

Why not even then make a thread with a poll of the current very active regions on the UN forum and let the UN members vote? Heck, maybe we should even write up a proposal! Let people vote on it. I mean given it really is only symbolic, it wouldn't involve game mechanics. Perhaps that's the best way to go. *Shrug*

Peace,
Steph.

There are *two* issues here:

1) The idea that there should be a location or name associated with a UN Headquarters.

The link Hack .. ahem the Gnomes provided *is* a new NationStates region. He even set up the game text of the Gnomes and the region with *additional* UN flavour text. (Worth a look if you've not visited the Gnomes yet.) :)

But I agree, I think a democratic proposal to hold a vote is a wonderful idea. But my nation's vote is to place the headquarters in the hands of a moderator controlled region.


2) Activity *Outside* the NS UN forum.

I'm still somehow confused about what you think I've said or have suggested. I think the original idea behind Roleplay University sounds good. I've never visited your site or region, so I don't know what your UN workshops were like, so I can't judge them. (Though I am incredibly curious!)

However, last Feb. with the passage of the UN Space Consortium, a group of players in multiple regions got together and decided to roleplay the activities related to an actual UN created organization. They have characters that host discussions on UN Space Travel, a board of directors, and have a stock market -- and have at times tried to connect their stock market into larger roleplayed NS stock markets.

Later in the Spring another resolution created UNCIAT, not by name, but by function. The author of that resolution created a web page to facilitate roleplay ...

Since that time a few of us have started roleplaying that citizens (not our governments) have created NGOs and those NGOs are working together to support the UN. That is the United Nations Association, similar to the real world "United Nations Association" or "United Nations Association - USA", etc.

I also noticed that the trend in prior resolutions was to pretty much ignore previous decisions and resolutions, so when I was working on my International Disaster Assistance proposal months ago, I took it upon myself to *rebuild* the forgotten International Red Cross Organization (also a player created organization). Since that time, players in International Incidents have pointed me to the existence of II forum based international humanitarian aid agencies (player created) and we've only begun trading information. :) The IRCO has been used by players as needed, and that is great!

It, the UNSC, UNCIAT, and even the various local chapters of the UNA are noting more than "flavour" ... a way of archiving roleplay and helping put names and places and information into the hands of active roleplayers.

For example:
The following event happened in the II forum:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384854

That player actively wanted others to participate in a humanitarian based roleplay. (Which I think is a novel idea!) :)

Since the turnover / recycle rate of the II forum is so high, it is unrealistic to expect a player only interested in diaster relief to just catch onto that roleplay situation, so the IRCO on the UNO forums is just a faciliator (not unlike the real world International Committee of the Red Cross based in Geneva is).

So naturally this is what the UNO did:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?showtopic=36&st=0&#last

Now, at present I'm the only one who has participated ... in this kind of thing, but the UNSC has a fairly good amount of activity for being something that in reality is not connected to the game via any "mechanics". It is just pure roleplay.


So now, do you think there should be a separate UN Organizations region to provide a footprint to the UNO??? I'll reiterate, that I never wanted the UNO to be the UN headquarters. The UNO isn't a place ... it is a tool! :) Heck, I wouldn't mind creating puppets and placing them *in* whatever region players want to be the UN Headquarters, but even then I don't want to get into the player politics of decided who is the director of what.

When I've roleplayed with the IRCO, I've really tried to make it clear that it is Mikitivity Red Cross, not the IRCO that actually comes swooping in with oatmeal, warm blankets, and teams of engineers armed only with duct tape, box wrenches, and a MacGiver "Go Get 'Em" attitude! ;)

These sound like really good ideas. Perhaps a mechanism similar to that used in Mikitivity’s “Favorite UN resolutions of 2004” could be used to decide which regions make it into any final poll.

Yeah, that seems totally like the way to go.. let the mob rule! Democracy for all!

But my nation's vote is to place the headquarters in the hands of a moderator controlled region.

I don't think we should really involve them in it, nor do I think they'd really want the responsibility to be honest. Just speaking as a former mod.. like I stated, when we "won" the title I wasn't a mod, after I became a mod I didn't really have the same time for the UN as I use to.. I think the mods have enough work on their hands without being put in charge of this, besides.. It was only a fluke that I became a mod after.. had I been a mod when the title was handed out, I would not of accepted it. Not within my moderator role.

I think this idea stinks! :p

Yeah, that seems totally like the way to go.. let the mob rule! Democracy for all!

The problem of course of using a forum based vote might be puppets?

Does Jolt prevent puppets from being used to "vote early, vote often"? Because there are players that at times have foiled themselves with a puppet.

It wouldn't seem fair for Mikitivity, MiervatiaToday (*), and Stark International (*) to all vote my will. (NOTE: Neither of these are my puppets, but I've always thought about creating 'em.)

The problem of course of using a forum based vote might be puppets?

Does Jolt prevent puppets from being used to "vote early, vote often"? Because there are players that at times have foiled themselves with a puppet.

Yeah, but what you could do is limit the vote to only delegates. Let their people vote in their own regions (If they care to) and that way you make the poll for delegates only , which would be easy as pie to check and then based on their opinions could write it up and put it to vote as a proposal. That to me seems to be the most fair way to do it. Honestly.

I don't think the majority of UN members want a mod to get it simply because they are a mod. I also don't think a mod would want it. Just from personal experience. But I'm not handing over a title that we really earned to some one just because they have another title..lol

LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!

I don't think we should really involve them in it, nor do I think they'd really want the responsibility to be honest. Just speaking as a former mod.. like I stated, when we "won" the title I wasn't a mod, after I became a mod I didn't really have the same time for the UN as I use to.. I think the mods have enough work on their hands without being put in charge of this, besides.. It was only a fluke that I became a mod after.. had I been a mod when the title was handed out, I would not of accepted it. Not within my moderator role.

I think this idea stinks! :p

OK, but what then happens if the players vote, and the UN ends up in my back yard? There are a few players that despise me.

That *is* why I don't want the UN Headquarters in a players hands. It is not my place to make them feel uncomfortable.

And I certainly wouldn't feel welcomed if the table were turned either.

I don't think the idea of a region is anything more than really a "name" to be used in roleplay. But I also don't want somebody pretending that his nation has the official "shock troops" for the UN Secretary-General, and to start roleplaying that he has the power to vaporize people with a magic smurf wand either.


Like the best resolution of 2004 thread, there was NO WAY that I was going to create a worst resolution of 2004 thread. That is just a bad idea no matter how you look at it. Nothing good would come of it.

I don't want to see this idea, which looks like it can be fun, to fall into that trap.

When I originally posted the UN HQ location thread, the idea was that there would be some kind of vote....however, Steph/RPU was the only one to post to the thread by my sign-up deadline, so they won by default. :)

OK, but what then happens if the players vote, and the UN ends up in my back yard?

Well, I don't think mods should be allowed first of all to be in the running. If a mod happens to be in a region that wins it, so be it!

Second, it's only symbolic, it's not like it can be abused. It's not power of any kind. It's symbolic and that is why it should go to the region that deserves it the most, not the region we think it would be "safe" in.

When I originally posted the UN HQ location thread, the idea was that there would be some kind of forum-based vote....however, Steph/RPU was the only one to post to the thread by my sign-up deadline, so they won by default. :)

Haha, way to ruin my fun.. killjoy..

Whoever wants it can have it!

I'm out of here :D

Well, I don't think mods should be allowed first of all to be in the running. If a mod happens to be in a region that wins it, so be it!

Second, it's only symbolic, it's not like it can be abused. It's not power of any kind. It's symbolic and that is why it should go to the region that deserves it the most, not the region we think it would be "safe" in.

I don't think it could be abused either, but what I took from Mikitivity's point was that it needs to be certain the host region understands the purely symbolic nature of having the UN HQ there. I'd hate for some sort of confrontation when a misunderstanding delegate RPs having UN troops at his or her disposal.

But I'm not handing over a title that we really earned to some one just because they have another title..lol


Nor I am! :)

The Gnomes and Cog have done a lot of work. If Enodia was still around, there is little doubt that many of us here would hand him the keys to our nation's capitals. These two mods have *earned* my respect one conflict resolution at a time.

I don't always agree with them. In fact, their flags are regularly burned in Miervatia and their leaders faces adorn pup dart boards -- which oddly enough are also popular by many tourists.

But I'm disgressing here. My case can be presented in a vote, and a democratic means sounds good, as long as we can also ensure that most of the active UN members are happy with the outcome.

I do have serious concerns though about myself getting it, or a half dozen other players -- largely based on their frequent treatment of UN newbies. While I'll make it clear that I will refuse it, I would be surprised if they'd do the same.

Perhaps the way to make it ultra democratic would also to be to allow votes of no-confidence. You flame too many players, they could yank it from you in disgrace. But the danger there is we would be kinda creating a "UN Secretary General" or at least handing power to a region.

"Vote no on this silly resolution! I am the headquarters of the UN! And while you are at it, read the UN FAQ! All your base belong to us!"

I don't think it could be abused either, but what I took from Mikitivity's point was that it needs to be certain the host region understands the purely symbolic nature of having the UN HQ there. I'd hate for some sort of confrontation when a misunderstanding delegate RPs having UN troops at his or her disposal.

:) I didn't put it as such, but you've addressed my concerns. A poll open to Delegates sounds fine. I'd advocate to give it a couple of weeks, so regions can campaign (also so us smaller regions can band together on something).

I'd like to suggest the region where my nations is located. The regions name is Nationstates. I will speak with our delegate about this very soon but I'm sure he would be honoured at the suggestion.
Our nation is comprised of 530+ peace loving nations. We are very pro u.n and flamming is non nearly non existant. Our delegate encourages freedom of expression and gathers as much information as possible before casting his sizable delegate vote (of 260+ endorsements). Our regional forum normaly consists of interesting chatter and friendly comments.. war is forbidden.
We do have an off line forum for discussing U.N business, but our regions stays fairly focused on human rights issues without falling into the nastier arguments. My nation believes that NationStates would be a perfect region for the NationStates U.N Headquarters to be located in.

Denai,
Minister of the Exterior
Principality of Prachya

We do have an off line forum for discussing U.N business, but our regions stays fairly focused on human rights issues without falling into the nastier arguments. My nation believes that NationStates would be a perfect region for the NationStates U.N Headquarters to be located in.

Denai,
Minister of the Exterior
Principality of Prachya

Two questions, are visitors allowed to register and participate on the forum? The Pacifics allow this, making them relatively democratic and certainly great places for meeting and following up on the events of NationStates. Also could you post a link to the forum so we could check it out?

I do agree that your region is incredibly large, that there are in fact other nations from your region that have been active and polite here, and MikesWill has been active in endorsing UN proposals for the past few months.

I am certainly open to your suggestion. :)

Yes, yes I agree with the democracy issue that has sprung up over the debate of which region to choose the next HQ from, currently I think that Stephinsans plan to vote on the most active UN Regions is best, not have an off site forum, RPU did that but it was only for educational purposes not to center the heart of all NS relations outside of NS.

The problem is though most people who practically built the UN we know today are pretty much almost gone, while most of the UN community has an actual understanding of NS politics and some common sense to go with that, most new nations really dont take into account what effect the UN has on most nations, usually smaller ones. I believe we will never quite find a UN community like the one in 2003 anymore, or another RPU, but just like in real life things deteriorate in NS. So after all these posts maybe a poll or proposal should be passed, hell I don't know, but either way somethings gotta take the place of RPU.

The problem is though most people who practically built the UN we know today are pretty much almost gone, while most of the UN community has an actual understanding of NS politics and some common sense to go with that, most new nations really dont take into account what effect the UN has on most nations, usually smaller ones.

I'd be very interested in RPU or some other location that has some posts explaining how the UN impacts nations. :)

Are any of the older threads archived?

If you want you can have it out of the EP.
we would actually appreciate the traffic it would generate.

Didn't realise this was such a life or death issue... sheej. If you don't want to use the Halls, no big deal. Or, if you just want to pop in and ask me a UN-specific question, that works too. There's no password or anything.

Didn't realise this was such a life or death issue... .

Well I didn't mean for this to get into a life and death issue that could turn into some U.S. Political piece of sh*t. I just wanted to pop my head into what we should do when RPU closes and there is no "official" UN General HeadQuarters.

Terran and Terrator has some drawbacks.
It's far away, inaccessible to non-future nations.
Most importantly, it's a dead area of space where spaceships seem to disappear frequently.
uh, and it's inhabited by vampires and other scary people.


Wherever the new headquarters is, can it have a more powerful server?

Terran and Terrator has some drawbacks.

Heh. Every area does.

It's far away, inaccessible to non-future nations.

I can provide travel to them. My corporations are looking for expansions into other regions and would enjoy contracts on Earth.

Most importantly, it's a dead area of space where spaceships seem to disappear frequently.

Thus, it's protected against attacks. If only one nation knows how to get in and out, you have no worries about any others attacking and wiping out the UN. And when you kick someone out, they're not comming back. And, before you think I can hold the UN hostage, keep in mind several FT nations will be there as well. My fleets are not going to be the only ones in orbit.

uh, and it's inhabited by vampires and other scary people.

That's why I want to put it on one of the orbital platforms. That way, you can go down to the surface of a planet if my government agrees but all of the creatures who can cause trouble are stuck on planets.

Wherever the new headquarters is, can it have a more powerful server?

Agreed.

<Now, I'm just a noob here, but some commonsense things come to my mind.>

I think one of the Pacifics would be best, specifically the East Pacific feeder region. It's stable, more so than many user-founded regions. Also, it might increase interest (noobs) in the UN.

Secondly, common sense tells me to be leery of nations who seem to want the HQ too badly.

Okay, am I the only one completely lost over this issue? I never knew that the UN had its headquarters at the RPU. I don't see what difference it makes where it is. It won't make any changes to this forum, and I'm not sure it would have any effect on RP in other forums. I can't really see any region suddenly becoming more popular because that is where the UN apparently now is.

Is it just a matter of pride where it is?

Okay, am I the only one completely lost over this issue? I never knew that the UN had its headquarters at the RPU.

Is it just a matter of pride where it is?

I've heard Goober and Fris talk about Roleplay University, but to be honest this thread represents more RPU talk than I've seen in the UN forum in most of 2004. I'm suspecting that since Steph is no longer a mod, that she has devoted more time to talking to old friends and a few of them are here (which is great).

The justification for having an agreed upon headquarters is mostly for roleplaying.


I would hope that anybody whom has been a part of a conflict with another active player would just do the gracous thing and throw their support behind finding some neutral ground.

For example, if the Hogworts were the headquarters (I'm not suggesting this) how would "Lord Voldermort" feel about this, given that he has asked that Harry Potter not mention his nation's name!?! And how would Harry feel if the heaquarters were moved to Voldermort's residence?


In my opinion there have been suggestions to having it located at Hack's Halls of the UN region (which I would vote for -- Hack is very active in the UN, we just don't always see it), for the East Pacific, and NationStates. I think all three locations are neutral and have a history of active participation in the UN, thus are good choices. Loop and Mike both have been scanning the proposal queue pretty aggressively, and they both do encourage players to participate in this forum -- so even if we aren't exchanging posts with either of them, their region is active. The added bonus is Loop and Mike seem to be on good terms with nearly everybody here and I'm guessing will be around for some time to come.