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I have posted a proposal to Repeal UN Resolution # 28, "Free Education."

The reasons for doing so are for religious and political freedom rights. Please note that this does not abolish government schools. It simply states that the government would no longer be required to support them. It is a national sovreignty issue. Please look over the resolution. TG me if you have any questions.

A: You have to tackle Res #3 as well, since both #3 and #28 provide for free education,

and

B: Always post the text of your proposal or repeal. Don't make us dig it out of the 15-50 pages of other crap to read what you have to say.

A: You have to tackle Res #3 as well, since both #3 and #28 provide for free education,

and

B: Always post the text of your proposal or repeal. Don't make us dig it out of the 15-50 pages of other crap to read what you have to say.

I realize that I need to repeal #3 as well, but I want to take it one step at a time. Also, there are already a couple of proposals on the books to repeal it.

I didn't post the text because I thought that it would be superfluous. Using the search option on the bottom of the proposals page should find it easily. Or, it's on page #17, last time I checked.

I didn't post the text because I thought that it would be superfluous. Using the search option on the bottom of the proposals page should find it easily. Or, it's on page #17, last time I checked.

(grin) I realise it seems like a good idea not to duplicate things, but honestly it is better to write it here.

Firstly because the proposals move from day to day - it starts on page 17 then maybe goes to 16 or 14 and then we have to search through to find it.

Secondly - there have been occasions where there have been 42 pages proposals to search through. Some of us don't have the time or the inclination to do that :}

So - on your behalf -


Repeal "Free education"

A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution
Category: Repeal Resolution: #28
Proposed by: Robbopolis

Description: UN Resolution #28: Free education (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: WHEREAS, it is inevitable that a government will attempt to press it's own religious, philosophical, or political agenda in publicly funded schools.

WHEREAS, children should be learning to think for themselves while growing up.

WHEREAS, there are people in religious traditions whose beliefs are being violated when the government educates their children, and religious freedom is to be respected (as per UN Resolution #19).

WHEREAS, authority over childhood education is too great with potential power and consequences too large for any government to excercise, even those with good intentions at heart.

Be it hereby RESOLVED, that UN Resolution #28, "Free Education," is hereby repealed.

Approvals: 8 (Robbopolis, The Kingsland, James Hetfieldia, NewTexas, Veritas et Fidelis, Arendstan, Grays Harbor, War Child)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 136 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Jan 11 2005

WHEREAS, it is inevitable that a government will attempt to press it's own religious, philosophical, or political agenda in publicly funded schools.

What's to say other providers of education would be any better?

WHEREAS, there are people in religious traditions whose beliefs are being violated when the government educates their children, and religious freedom is to be respected (as per UN Resolution #19).

We happliy respect the right of the individual to choose and practice their own beliefs without infringing on the rights of others. The UN does not require us to recognise the right of the individual to choose the beliefs of other individuals, and in _Myopia_ we actively discourage all citizens, including parents, from teaching children religious beliefs.

WHEREAS, authority over childhood education is too great with potential power and consequences too large for any government to excercise, even those with good intentions at heart.

Then I definitely don't trust certain individuals and private organisations to handle the responsibility.

Be it hereby RESOLVED, that UN Resolution #28, "Free Education," is hereby repealed.

The original resolution never required that education be run by the state. You could offer parents "coupons" so they could choose private schools, or something like that, if you wish.

What's to say other providers of education would be any better?

There isn't any. I assume that whoever is providing the education will press it's views on the kids. This is to be expected. However, I don't want my tax dollars going for it.

We happliy respect the right of the individual to choose and practice their own beliefs without infringing on the rights of others. The UN does not require us to recognise the right of the individual to choose the beliefs of other individuals, and in _Myopia_ we actively discourage all citizens, including parents, from teaching children religious beliefs.

It seems to me that it would be quite a bit harder to practice one's beliefs when another set is being thrown at you by the schools.

Then I definitely don't trust certain individuals and private organisations to handle the responsibility.

Granted. There are others that I don't trust either. But my tax dollars don't go to them either.

The original resolution never required that education be run by the state. You could offer parents "coupons" so they could choose private schools, or something like that, if you wish.

As the general theory goes, whoever controls the money ultimately controls what goes on, no what who actually runs the place. If a government provided vouchers, it would be very easy to say, "No vouchers for religious schools." Or, "No vouchers for schools with [insert any view] political outlook." And the repeal doesn't say that you can't do vouchers. It simply makes it possible for the government to stop funding the schools, if any nation chooses to do so.

In the end, this resolution is about opening up options. Even if this does pass, I assume that dictatorships will still force the kids to go to gevernment schools. That's the nature of a dicatorship. It just allows us to do whatever we want, rather than being forced to provide schooling.

In that repeal, you didn't state at all about how countries would sort out the mass of destetute parents who want their kids to have some form of education, rather than none. I could assume that all taxpayers would have to pay yet more money to send their children to private schools. Not all governments here are evil and corrupt, and here for you to sort out. Radlett has well funded schools (of different religious and ethnic teachings) and a great social security service. Why should we vote for a resolution which will send the state into turmoil?

In that repeal, you didn't state at all about how countries would sort out the mass of destetute parents who want their kids to have some form of education, rather than none. I could assume that all taxpayers would have to pay yet more money to send their children to private schools. Not all governments here are evil and corrupt, and here for you to sort out. Radlett has well funded schools (of different religious and ethnic teachings) and a great social security service. Why should we vote for a resolution which will send the state into turmoil?

It doesn't. Your schools can still exist. It doesn't ban government schools. It just means that they are no longer required.

I think not.

Removing this resolution opens the door to a 1984ish nightmare, where the masses are not educated at all.

Now, removing the early one ("to 16") is a removal of rubbish, and that works fine with us.

We would also ask how any religious tradition is not equally respected by government-funded schools. You state in your arguement that you wish children to learn to think for themselves. Are the religious practitioners unable to "counter the propaganda" of school in their services?

Honestly, if critical thinking is what you are after, I do not see a repeal of education accomplishing your goal.

However, I don't want my tax dollars going for it.


This I can understand. Why not simply abandon government schools in your country and let us make our own policy?


If a government provided vouchers, it would be very easy to say, "No vouchers for religious schools." Or, "No vouchers for schools with [insert any view] political outlook." And the repeal doesn't say that you can't do vouchers. It simply makes it possible for the government to stop funding the schools, if any nation chooses to do so..

Finding this slightly difficult to comprehend. Why can't you simply stop funding, I searched but can find no reason that you can't transfer the responsiblity of education funding to private hands.



In the end, this resolution is about opening up options. Even if this does pass, I assume that dictatorships will still force the kids to go to gevernment schools. That's the nature of a dicatorship.

What?? perhaps YOU will force children to go to Pentecostal gospel hour??? Whats so wrong with a fair government wanting to educate its children without religion? Why not leave the religion to the religionS....?

And can you please tell me what you mean by:


It just allows us to do whatever we want, rather than being forced to provide schooling.

Sai

Stankystan is one of most younger members in the UN so it has a lot to catchup, but regarding this proposal we have a strong opinion.

Stankystan aims to be a free and economically strong country. Our people doesnt live under terror or oppression. They are free to speak their minds.

Being a free country also implys, to us, having an open economy. In that economy would be place for private schools to teach under their religious beliefs. So people disliking public schools could sign in their children in private ones.

Stankystan will not change its teaching system.

Stankystan firmly rejects this proposal.