NationStates Jolt Archive

This Resolution will declare some statements of Resolution #86 "The Global Library" null and void, with something else in place. There will also be additions to the program from this Resolution.

The Statements that will be struck null and void and will be replacing with ones that are more reasonable:

1. Null and Void: "Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities."

1A. Replacement: There will be one building known as The Global Library Center place in whatever nation the UN see fit. There will also be one Library for each nation. The Global Library Center will be where all information will be put into the system and this will be where the system will be held.

2. Null and Void: "There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person, it will help you find what you are looking for, and once you do, it will turn into what you want you're self
For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wristband. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them."

2A. Replacement: In order to get information to the system there will be a newly invented technology known as Stationary Display Touch Screens a.k.a. SDTS's. These screens are specifically made for the library. You will be able to send information to your computer and be able to scan or print documents at these stations. You will also be able to unhook the screens from there slots to hold them in your hand for better surfing. If someone decides to steal the screen, which means cutting the chain the SDTS’s will immediately, activate a GPS device to locate the SDTS. The SDTS's will also have adult locks on them. So there is adult pictures or adult content the adult must put in his or her code*. These SDTS's will be put throughout the cities, villages, and towns. For great access to the system.
*The code will be talked about later in this resolution.

3. Null and Void: "Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building."

3A. Replacement: This will be paid for by all nations. For the third world countries, small payments will be accepted. This is the only way to pay for the program.

4. Null and Void: All newspapers of every nation.

4A. Replacement: We will pick one newspaper from each city that has a population of 800,000 or more into the system randomly. Which means if that are one more newspapers per city, we will randomly pick one?

These statements will be added to the Global Library Resolution and will be enacted:

1. There will be a committee instated to oversee that all factual information that is put into the computer has a reasonable view and discuss problems with an author of any publish work.

2. All books will be put into the system a year after they are published. If the author wishes to take his or her book out of the system, the books will be taken out and will be put back in at date to be decided between the Global Library Committee and the author.

3. There will be a code give to all adults given every person. They will be given out from the Global Library Center when the library starts up. If you lose it, you will be able to get it from your local bank or grocery store. The reason for codes is so that children cannot access adult pictures or adult content.

These will be the corrections in the program if this resolution is accepted. I highly recommend these corrections so the Global Library can get under way.

First, I want you to know I have the greatest respect for you. It takes an extremely intelligent and mature society / nation to admit to listen to others and adapt to their feedback.

What you are trying to do by changing your resolution to address points that nations should have brought up when this was a draft (see folks, this is what happens when you talk about living lightyears away and offer nothing constructive) is really great! :)

However, the game moderators are not nearly as compasionate as I am ... they aren't allowed to be! Changes are good that they will rule that resolutions can't repeal other resolutions. This is a rule that nailed Hersfold and myself, even when we weren't making an "amendement" to a resolution.

Nearly a year and a half ago Austrivum submitted a resolution "Required Basic Healthcare", which during the course of the debate or following it (I wasn't around there to know exactly when), opponents to the resolution managed to convince Austrivum that several of the points in his resolution needed correction. Austrivum then introduced his 'RBH' Replacement resolution weeks later.

Both Austrivum resolutions passed, making Austrivum the first NationState to have two resolutions on the books (a few have joined them since), and the ONLY nation to repeal its own resolution. The second resolution, 'RBH' Replacement was in fact what we'd call a repeal *and* a new resolution at the same time.

Since July 2003, the UN Secretariat (our game mods) have ruled that we aren't allowed to make amendments to resolutions. In fact, the origin of this ruling comes from the Enodian Guidelines from the Spring of 2004. The Enodian Guidelines provision of no amendments wasn't tested until Hersfold and I proposed an "Amendments to the UNEC" proposal (which would have made Hersfold the second NationState to change its own resolution), however Stephistan (then a game mod) ruled that you can not amend a prior resolution.

As it turned out, our text wasn't deleting or even changing any of the original resolution, but carefully spelling out how to pay for and implement the UNEC resolution. Stephistan was supposed to remove Hersfold's warning on the provision that the two of us changed the title and emphasized the fact that the proposal was not a repeal and not an amendment.

At some point after this, the moderators finished coding the option for nations to repeal old resolutions, and yet a new rule came into effect:

In order to change the text of an old resolution, the entire resolution has to be repealed and then if the repeal is successful, a new resolution can be proposed. Cogitation has pointed out that the text in a repeal may in fact list that the point behind the repeal is that there is "intent" to submit a new resolution, but that text can not really mandate that there will be a new resolution.

That said, you can't really follow what Austrivum has done in the past. Austrivum has effectively been grandfathered.

What you will have to do (under the present rules) is make a repeal, if you want to remove sections, and then propose your new resolution.

It is a lot of work, so with that in mind, make a point to copy all of the PRO and CON Delegate votes early tomorrow morning. Use them as a "shopping" list if you start any campaigns for repeals or new resolutions.

Also if you want to further define how the UN Global Library works, you have to be very careful ... you can add information, but you can't take away from the existing resolution. And you can't use the word "Amendment".

In any event, I'd like to point out that this is just my opinion. My advice and history could be incorrect, and I'll make a point tomorrow to ask Cog to read my post and correct me here since I'm giving out advice. But the bottom line is I don't want you or anybody else to get in trouble with the moderators for basically acting out of goodwill for the nations that have voted against your idea (many of whom I think crossed the line and have actually flamed -- which is a violation of the forum rules). I respect what you are doing, but let's take this slowly. :)

I fully here you. But I will try. So please if you have and ideas or rational comments I will listen to them and ponder if I should incorporate them into the proposal. I am sure some will be others won't.

You can't ammend existing Resolutions. If you want to change them, you must first Repeal them (in entirety) and then propose a new version.

Why not????

Let someone who knows the rules do it.

Why not????

Hack or another moderator should correct me, but here is why I think they adopted that rule ...

Moderators have to basically "judge" decisions, but are supposed to be neutral.

If they allowed "friendly" amendments from the authors of a resolution, they open the door for "neutral" nations to make amendements that would change the meaning of resolutions.

For example, take the Gay Rights resolution. If we allowed amendments, somebody could effectively repeal that resolution, by changing:

"We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations."

To read:

"We also resolve that homosexual civil unions be protected and endorsed by law in member nations."

While to many nations that would look like the same thing, to others this might actually contradict not only the original intent of what Kundu (the original author) meant, but it also might mean that the nations that voted yes may have changed their votes to no.

The idea is that once a resolution is adopted, it is too hard for the moderators to guess what we, the voting nations, were thinking. So instead of seconding guessing and getting into slippery debates about the meanings of parts of a resolution, they decided to have a rule that you first have to repeal and then start over with a new document.

I wasn't around for the Required Basic Healthcare debates, but they may have played a significant role.

Here is the trick ... Hersfold and I did get the moderators to agree (thank you Cog and Stephistan) that resolutions can enhance prior resolutions, but we were warned that these new resolutions have to be CRYSTAL clear and can never contradict the old resolutions.

I think you have two options:

Option 1: Repeal and then propose a new resolution.

Option 2: Make a new resolution that only adds parts that will not contradict the old resolution.

In either case, remember to go to the UN page and copy all of the names of delegates that voted for and against your proposal. Paste that copy into a MS Word or Wordpad file. That way if you decide to go to option 1 or option 2, you will have a list of names to telegram.

I need to go to bed now, but good luck! :)

In either case, remember to go to the UN page and copy all of the names of delegates that voted for and against your proposal. Paste that copy into a MS Word or Wordpad file. That way if you decide to go to option 1 or option 2, you will have a list of names to telegram.

I need to go to bed now, but good luck! :)

Well if you could I would like your help. :)

I do admire that you're willing to rethink your own ideas, but I'm sorry, I still don't see why this is necessary. The better solution, IMO, would be to work on increasing internet access to as many people as possible and encourage putting more information on the web. Perhaps getting computer engineers to develop ways of making the internet more efficient and stable too.

This would be much cheaper, more efficient, and actually more convenient to access. It's also better for the free flow of information, as the internet is very difficult for oppressive governments to control, whereas a physical repository of knowledge like a library is easier.

I approved the original Proposal as UN Delegate, I also voted for the original Resolution when it was being decided upon. I liked the original Resolution.

This Resolution will declare some statements of Resolution #86 "The Global Library" null and void, with something else in place. There will also be additions to the program from this Resolution.

Something else?? That's extraordinarily vague! Dancing pixies? Sea-sick monkeys? Additions...hmmm...

The Statements that will be struck null and void and will be replacing with ones that are more reasonable:

I understand that you are trying to cater towards the whims of multiple nations here, but you cannot just 'amend' articles of a Resolution without fully repealing it.

1. Null and Void: "Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities."

1A. Replacement: There will be one building known as The Global Library Center place in whatever nation the UN see fit. There will also be one Library for each nation. The Global Library Center will be where all information will be put into the system and this will be where the system will be held.

Instead of letting each Nation decide where to establish these Libraries, you are now enforcing that the UN must decide for them. What if the UN decides to build the Library in an area of natural beauty?

2. Null and Void: "There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person, it will help you find what you are looking for, and once you do, it will turn into what you want you're self
For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wristband. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them."

2A. Replacement: In order to get information to the system there will be a newly invented technology known as Stationary Display Touch Screens a.k.a. SDTS's. These screens are specifically made for the library. You will be able to send information to your computer and be able to scan or print documents at these stations. You will also be able to unhook the screens from there slots to hold them in your hand for better surfing. If someone decides to steal the screen, which means cutting the chain the SDTS’s will immediately, activate a GPS device to locate the SDTS. The SDTS's will also have adult locks on them. So there is adult pictures or adult content the adult must put in his or her code*. These SDTS's will be put throughout the cities, villages, and towns. For great access to the system.
*The code will be talked about later in this resolution.

I don't know...there's something I don't like about this. It's basically restricting access to information, at the same time as opening it up. Not every UN Nation sees pornography as a problem. You are trying to regulate Freedom of Information along with a Sex Act...not what you originally stated.

3. Null and Void: "Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building."

3A. Replacement: This will be paid for by all nations. For the third world countries, small payments will be accepted. This is the only way to pay for the program.

Whoa whoa whoa!! I only accepted this Resolution because it was being paid for via Donation. I don't want to have to pay for a 3rd World Country to get a goddamn library (Not my RL Opinion). You've completely changed that point around.

4. Null and Void: All newspapers of every nation.

4A. Replacement: We will pick one newspaper from each city that has a population of 800,000 or more into the system randomly. Which means if that are one more newspapers per city, we will randomly pick one?

Awww, bless - you're going to choose for me? What a total breach of Liberties by the UN. The UN has no jurisdiction (in the confines of this Resolution or past Resolutions) to decide which Newspapers I want archiving. Also - the question mark makes me 'question' your sincerity.

These statements will be added to the Global Library Resolution and will be enacted:

1. There will be a committee instated to oversee that all factual information that is put into the computer has a reasonable view and discuss problems with an author of any publish work.

So, basically - you're going to EDIT all the material that comes into the Library to ensure that nothing is offensive? Most of the great literary works of all time are based around personal opinions, experiences, etc. Again, not what I originally voted for.

2. All books will be put into the system a year after they are published. If the author wishes to take his or her book out of the system, the books will be taken out and will be put back in at date to be decided between the Global Library Committee and the author.

A YEAR!?! Good Lord - what happens if I need to access the information in that book right away? Or if I am the author, why should I have to wait a year? Time is money!

3. There will be a code give to all adults given every person. They will be given out from the Global Library Center when the library starts up. If you lose it, you will be able to get it from your local bank or grocery store. The reason for codes is so that children cannot access adult pictures or adult content.

Same as above - not all Nations have a problem with Adult Content.

These will be the corrections in the program if this resolution is accepted. I highly recommend these corrections so the Global Library can get under way.

Fair enough that you recommend them...but I don't want to vote for them.

I respect that you have put a lot of effort into thinking this through, but you are just completely changing the original proposal. You need to repeal the original Resolution, and then readmit it to the UN.

First of all, Great Agnostica, very mature of you to accept criticism and try to change your resolution. I don't agree with the idea, but since it passed, I suppose there are indeed a lot of people who do.

A YEAR!?! Good Lord - what happens if I need to access the information in that book right away? Or if I am the author, why should I have to wait a year? Time is money!

You seem to be under the illusion that the author is somehow being recompensed for this. Nothing of the sort has been implied, and having to pay every living author royalties for their volumes is really impractical.

If you absolutely NEED to access that information right away, you go out and buy the book. The author receives royalties for a year, and then - bam! It's the library's intellectual property! As someone who aspires to be a writer some day, that is about the most depressing thing that could happen to my works. (This is me talking to AP here, mind you. Agnostica, it is a very very good thing that you allow authors to choose when they want their works to be added.)

Anyway, regarding point 2A: you chain these things to people's wrists, and put a tracking device in them...that's not very nice at best, and 1984ish at worst. You don't really need security against theft if these things are as ubiquitois as it seems like it will be.

I thought this was a great idea and was one of the delagates who approved it. I also donated the money to impliment it in my own nation immediatly. Construction crews were waiting and started work the minute it was passed and are now finished due to our advanced technology speeding the process.
A private company was contracted to start production of the wristbands and they have already started coming out. Technicians have started imputing all works available to us into the system, but transfering the printed data is taking some time. Am I supposed to stop all of this now that you have decided to only have one of them? Am I going to have to stop the grand opening I had schedualed for next Wensday?

Terribly sorry, we warned against this sort of thing. We will never contribute a single Art (our currency) to this project and will forbid our citizens from doing so. This project is hellobound. Any country that puts money into this silly "physical Internet" project is doomed to end with a great big Red Herring on their table.
Why not simply spend money on something that matters? Like illeminating povert! Maybe then more people would have time to read, oh and why don't we help the worlds poorest to learn to read? That would help to, rather then a holographic wristwatch.
Let's repeal this resolution and replace it with something like "more money for literacy endeavours". If the Principality of Prachya wants a library with pretty holograms, we will build it ourself.

Let's repeal this resolution and replace it with something like "more money for literacy endeavours". If the Principality of Prachya wants a library with pretty holograms, we will build it ourself.

Agreed, in light of the changes

I'm just curious, GA, if you knew these amendments , etc. were what you wanted in The Global Library; why submit it for consideration to the UN and then want to change it again?

I'm just curious, GA, if you knew these amendments , etc. were what you wanted in The Global Library; why submit it for consideration to the UN and then want to change it again?

My thoughts exactly

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1. Null and Void: "Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities."

1A. Replacement: There will be one building known as The Global Library Center place in whatever nation the UN see fit. There will also be one Library for each nation. The Global Library Center will be where all information will be put into the system and this will be where the system will be held.
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Again, this allows the United Nations to decide what nations are fit to receive such a library. This is outside the jurisdiction of the UN and will lead to larger nations dictating to smaller ones that they must have said Library. Unacceptable.

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2. Null and Void: "There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person, it will help you find what you are looking for, and once you do, it will turn into what you want you're self
For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wristband. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them."

2A. Replacement: In order to get information to the system there will be a newly invented technology known as Stationary Display Touch Screens a.k.a. SDTS's. These screens are specifically made for the library. You will be able to send information to your computer and be able to scan or print documents at these stations. You will also be able to unhook the screens from there slots to hold them in your hand for better surfing. If someone decides to steal the screen, which means cutting the chain the SDTS’s will immediately, activate a GPS device to locate the SDTS. The SDTS's will also have adult locks on them. So there is adult pictures or adult content the adult must put in his or her code*. These SDTS's will be put throughout the cities, villages, and towns. For great access to the system.
*The code will be talked about later in this resolution.
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Better, but why are you making it the responsibility of the member nations to protect what is, in essence, UN property? Are you going to pay stipends to the police forces of the world for adding to their burden?

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3. Null and Void: "Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building."

3A. Replacement: This will be paid for by all nations. For the third world countries, small payments will be accepted. This is the only way to pay for the program.
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This is in direct violation of UN resolution #4.

[QUOTE=Great Agnostica]4. Null and Void: All newspapers of every nation.

4A. Replacement: We will pick one newspaper from each city that has a population of 800,000 or more into the system randomly. Which means if that are one more newspapers per city, we will randomly pick one?

Situation A: City A has two big newspapers, both controlled by a single company with right wing leanings. There are several small newspapers coming from the left. The population is pretty well even. Which newspaper do you choose to represent the city? Why limit it thus?

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These statements will be added to the Global Library Resolution and will be enacted:

1. There will be a committee instated to oversee that all factual information that is put into the computer has a reasonable view and discuss problems with an author of any publish work.
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Define reasonable. No, wait, don't bother. We know in Frizale that reasonable is what the decadent nations who placate their people with democracy (or the myth of democracy) deem reasonable.

If not, you will have to draw up a resolution to create a panel to decide. And, of course, the smaller nations will be ignored in their beliefs.

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2. All books will be put into the system a year after they are published. If the author wishes to take his or her book out of the system, the books will be taken out and will be put back in at date to be decided between the Global Library Committee and the author.
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Improvement, yes; this will allow the government of Frizale to make sure that our authors will not be in this library if their views conflict with those acceptable to our government.

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3. There will be a code give to all adults given every person. They will be given out from the Global Library Center when the library starts up. If you lose it, you will be able to get it from your local bank or grocery store. The reason for codes is so that children cannot access adult pictures or adult content.
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Again, I state that grammar is irrelavent. These codes would be banned within the borders of Frizale.

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These will be the corrections in the program if this resolution is accepted. I highly recommend these corrections so the Global Library can get under way.

The changes, which are against UN regulation anyway, are no better than the original resolution and will once again cause Frizale to vote against it.

Again, this allows the United Nations to decide what nations are fit to receive such a library. This is outside the jurisdiction of the UN and will lead to larger nations dictating to smaller ones that they must have said Library. Unacceptable.



Better, but why are you making it the responsibility of the member nations to protect what is, in essence, UN property? Are you going to pay stipends to the police forces of the world for adding to their burden?



Situation A: City A has two big newspapers, both controlled by a single company with right wing leanings. There are several small newspapers coming from the left. The population is pretty well even. Which newspaper do you choose to represent the city? Why limit it thus?



Define reasonable. No, wait, don't bother. We know in Frizale that reasonable is what the decadent nations who placate their people with democracy (or the myth of democracy) deem reasonable.

If not, you will have to draw up a resolution to create a panel to decide. And, of course, the smaller nations will be ignored in their beliefs.



Improvement, yes; this will allow the government of Frizale to make sure that our authors will not be in this library if their views conflict with those acceptable to our government.



Again, I state that grammar is irrelavent. These codes would be banned within the borders of Frizale.



The changes, which are against UN regulation anyway, are no better than the original resolution and will once again cause Frizale to vote against it.

Are you a delegate?

Are you a delegate?

I am a voting member of the UN. Does it matter if I am a delegate or not?

To me it does. So why should I care what you do with your one vote?

Ok - if you want a Delegate's Opinion (I have 36 Nations in my Region) - then here's one for you...

I approved the original Proposal as UN Delegate, I also voted for the original Resolution when it was being decided upon. I liked the original Resolution.

This Resolution will declare some statements of Resolution #86 "The Global Library" null and void, with something else in place. There will also be additions to the program from this Resolution.

Something else?? That's extraordinarily vague! Dancing pixies? Sea-sick monkeys? Additions...hmmm...

The Statements that will be struck null and void and will be replacing with ones that are more reasonable:

I understand that you are trying to cater towards the whims of multiple nations here, but you cannot just 'amend' articles of a Resolution without fully repealing it.

1. Null and Void: "Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities."

1A. Replacement: There will be one building known as The Global Library Center place in whatever nation the UN see fit. There will also be one Library for each nation. The Global Library Center will be where all information will be put into the system and this will be where the system will be held.

Instead of letting each Nation decide where to establish these Libraries, you are now enforcing that the UN must decide for them. What if the UN decides to build the Library in an area of natural beauty?

2. Null and Void: "There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person, it will help you find what you are looking for, and once you do, it will turn into what you want you're self
For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wristband. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them."

2A. Replacement: In order to get information to the system there will be a newly invented technology known as Stationary Display Touch Screens a.k.a. SDTS's. These screens are specifically made for the library. You will be able to send information to your computer and be able to scan or print documents at these stations. You will also be able to unhook the screens from there slots to hold them in your hand for better surfing. If someone decides to steal the screen, which means cutting the chain the SDTS’s will immediately, activate a GPS device to locate the SDTS. The SDTS's will also have adult locks on them. So there is adult pictures or adult content the adult must put in his or her code*. These SDTS's will be put throughout the cities, villages, and towns. For great access to the system.
*The code will be talked about later in this resolution.

I don't know...there's something I don't like about this. It's basically restricting access to information, at the same time as opening it up. Not every UN Nation sees pornography as a problem. You are trying to regulate Freedom of Information along with a Sex Act...not what you originally stated.

3. Null and Void: "Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building."

3A. Replacement: This will be paid for by all nations. For the third world countries, small payments will be accepted. This is the only way to pay for the program.

Whoa whoa whoa!! I only accepted this Resolution because it was being paid for via Donation. I don't want to have to pay for a 3rd World Country to get a goddamn library (Not my RL Opinion). You've completely changed that point around.

4. Null and Void: All newspapers of every nation.

4A. Replacement: We will pick one newspaper from each city that has a population of 800,000 or more into the system randomly. Which means if that are one more newspapers per city, we will randomly pick one?

Awww, bless - you're going to choose for me? What a total breach of Liberties by the UN. The UN has no jurisdiction (in the confines of this Resolution or past Resolutions) to decide which Newspapers I want archiving. Also - the question mark makes me 'question' your sincerity.

These statements will be added to the Global Library Resolution and will be enacted:

1. There will be a committee instated to oversee that all factual information that is put into the computer has a reasonable view and discuss problems with an author of any publish work.

So, basically - you're going to EDIT all the material that comes into the Library to ensure that nothing is offensive? Most of the great literary works of all time are based around personal opinions, experiences, etc. Again, not what I originally voted for.

2. All books will be put into the system a year after they are published. If the author wishes to take his or her book out of the system, the books will be taken out and will be put back in at date to be decided between the Global Library Committee and the author.

A YEAR!?! Good Lord - what happens if I need to access the information in that book right away? Or if I am the author, why should I have to wait a year? Time is money!

3. There will be a code give to all adults given every person. They will be given out from the Global Library Center when the library starts up. If you lose it, you will be able to get it from your local bank or grocery store. The reason for codes is so that children cannot access adult pictures or adult content.

Same as above - not all Nations have a problem with Adult Content.

These will be the corrections in the program if this resolution is accepted. I highly recommend these corrections so the Global Library can get under way.

Fair enough that you recommend them...but I don't want to vote for them.

I respect that you have put a lot of effort into thinking this through, but you are just completely changing the original proposal. You need to repeal the original Resolution, and then readmit it to the UN.

To me it does. So why should I care what you do with your one vote?

So much for your claims of democracy. You are just like the other large nations. The UN is obviously only run by those with the numbers and money.

You and your hypocrisy sicken me. If the repeal to your resolution does not come to a vote, I myself will write one, written in the proper lingua franca, and push it as hard as I can.

You haven't addressed my point. What's wrong with the internet?

I do admire that you're willing to rethink your own ideas, but I'm sorry, I still don't see why this is necessary. The better solution, IMO, would be to work on increasing internet access to as many people as possible and encourage putting more information on the web. Perhaps getting computer engineers to develop ways of making the internet more efficient and stable too.

This would be much cheaper, more efficient, and actually more convenient to access. It's also better for the free flow of information, as the internet is very difficult for oppressive governments to control, whereas a physical repository of knowledge like a library is easier.

So much for your claims of democracy. You are just like the other large nations. The UN is obviously only run by those with the numbers and money.

You and your hypocrisy sicken me. If the repeal to your resolution does not come to a vote, I myself will write one, written in the proper lingua franca, and push it as hard as I can.

The reason why I ask you that question was because I wanted to see if you would give me the rigth answer but you didn't. In order to get people to listen you must tell them why.

In order to get people to listen you must tell them why.

I'd say this is the pot calling the kettle black, but it's actually more like the pot calling the piece of china black. (apologies for the snideness)

While it's true that he himself may not be a delegate, there are delegates reading this thread, and their impressions may be affected by how you respond to their concerns which Frizale may have just illustrated: if you dodge the issues by saying "You cannot possibly raise a valid point because you have only one vote" (patently absurd), then delegates may be put off because they may have those same concerns, or possibly because you aren't giving off a good impression when you say things like that, which may transfer by association onto your proposal.

You still haven't addressed the issues of why this is a better system than the internet, or why everyone should have to pay for it, or even why you feel the need to chain the things to people's arms (when it's pretty unlikely that they'd ever be stolen considering that everyone has them and there are redundant terminals and stuff everywhere, apparently).

Now I know you could just walk away with your victory because your original bill passed (neverminding that it's self-defeating because it won't start until it gets all the donations it needs), and I think it's great that you decided to listen to some concerns, but then you go around and insult and ignore people. Even though I don't agree with your ideas, I'm not trying to be your enemy here; I'm trying to help you work this thing out so it can be the best it can be. But in order to accomplish that you have to listen to people and consider their ideas.

The reason why I ask you that question was because I wanted to see if you would give me the rigth answer but you didn't. In order to get people to listen you must tell them why.

Like your proposal, your question was antagonistic and worded in a way that put the representative from Frizale on the defensive.

We are a member of the United Nations. We are a nation within this world. That is why you should listen. You need not agree. But the nature of your responses shows us that you do not care about the opinion of smaller nations.

It is this kind of attitude which leads to open conflict.

Like your proposal, your question was antagonistic and worded in a way that put the representative from Frizale on the defensive.

We are a member of the United Nations. We are a nation within this world. That is why you should listen. You need not agree. But the nature of your responses shows us that you do not care about the opinion of smaller nations.

It is this kind of attitude which leads to open conflict.

As a UN Delegate, I support you on this Frizale. All members of the UN should have an equal say...the UN Delegate is just that - a representative of all other UN Nations within the Region.

Having less votes doesn't negate your own right to opinions.

Walkendalia begins to wonder whether this second resolution amounts to appeasement of a few delegates. Since my own delegate declined to vote, I voted, which seems to be an issue only if you disagree with AG's new revision.

1) Our people prefer the tangilble collection of knowlegde in a brick and mortar setting. The centralized library system was suitable. Now, we worry that we will not be able to visit the library but once in a lifetime.

2) Suddenly we have a very conservative idea about "inappropriate images" being available to children, right next to a very liberal idea of creating a library for use by all people. Seems contradictory. I would suggest, if a revision actually comes into being, that you drop all matters that remove any world citizens the right to read or view materials in this library. We in Walkendalia can manage our children, thank you.

3) Clearly financial concerns must be addressed in this. Compulsory participation by member nations places a new problem--that of who will gain most by this library. Clearly the state in which it is built will gain the most. So how will the UN reach this decision?

We like the resolution as it is and will not vote for this second one if it comes to pass.

To me it does. So why should I care what you do with your one vote?

Humm, I think you could use all the support you can get. Can you not see that some players have several countries? Sometime a player is a delegate but communicates here through other countries.

In other instances (like in my case) my delegate has 263 verified endorsments in a region with 400 U.N memebers.... I have influenced his decisions before. We voted against your resolution (partly based on my recomendation) in an extremely tight race we could tip the balance.

Your not winning yourself any friends on this side of things with such irresponsible comments. I will never support anything you write simply based on the fact that your English abilities are far too limited. Get a native English speaker to help you translate. What language do you speak? I speak several and could assist you.

Sai

To me it does. So why should I care what you do with your one vote?

Great Agnostica,

My government has always liked your government because you will change your mind and listen to nations, but I think we all should care about all votes, even if they are just 1, like my nation's.

I'm not trying to be mean or negative, but just because an ambassador is not a delegate doesn't mean you shouldn't treat them the same when talking to them. In many regions the Delegates change, and who knows if that "1" vote today doesn't become 10 or 30 votes in a few months.

I understand that after your resolution and the number of personal attacks you got (and I'm guessing you got many more via telegrams) that you are a bit stressed. So my advice is slow the process down here.

It took a few of us two full weeks to work out a draft for the tsunami network we want to see become a resolution and be voted on. And that draft proposal still needs to be reviewed by two of us whom were working on the idea! :)

Cheers,
10kMichael

*cough*choke* Ahem. You are talking about treating others with respect? Should I attach links, or are you going to apologize for your earlier actions elsewhere?

After all, should not ones actions match with ones words? Particularly with words so flowery as these?




Great Agnostica,

My government has always liked your government because you will change your mind and listen to nations, but I think we all should care about all votes, even if they are just 1, like my nation's.

I'm not trying to be mean or negative, but just because an ambassador is not a delegate doesn't mean you shouldn't treat them the same when talking to them. In many regions the Delegates change, and who knows if that "1" vote today doesn't become 10 or 30 votes in a few months.

I understand that after your resolution and the number of personal attacks you got (and I'm guessing you got many more via telegrams) that you are a bit stressed. So my advice is slow the process down here.

It took a few of us two full weeks to work out a draft for the tsunami network we want to see become a resolution and be voted on. And that draft proposal still needs to be reviewed by two of us whom were working on the idea! :)

Cheers,
10kMichael