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Proposal: U.N.-sponsored Space Exploration and Utilization Program

Like NASA, only it would be contributed to and manned with support from all nation states a part of UN community.

Space is the final frontier. It is vast in its mystery as well as its potential resources. Satellites are the beginning but not necessarily the end; while nation states may be satisfied with the success of their own projects in the realm above, the means of continuance and evolution are often out of an individual nation's wallet and the failure rate of these projects high enough to scare off investors.

What if, through solidarity with other nations, these expeditions could be made more efficient and less costly? What if there could be a shared joy in a probe or a manned spacecraft reaching its destination, but also shared burden of setback? The inevitable latter would be less of a blow to individual nations' investments, fiscally as well as to good faith.

The problems? Cost, technology, and human resources. These of course would have to be offered by nation states with no expectations of recompense. But with high costs there is potential to reap great rewards that would benefit the world of Nation States.

This proposal will be designed to make more expedient humankind's prescence in space as well as increase out knowledge of it through cooperation by the UN's constituents. More practically, and perhaps imperatively, with populations expanding everyday, our Malthusian crisis presses heavily on our citizens' lives and resources. With the most current technology, it is not likely that the UN will be able to construct habitats on the Moon or Mars if such a proposal as this were passed tomorrow. That is not what this proposal is about, but it is an example of a possible goal that an individual nation state alone may not be able to muster.

Additional benefits include an output of useful technology not exclusive to space exploration, such as a more efficient means of utilizing energy sources.

*** Pardon my newbie ignorance in developing a proposal that is worthy of quorum. I have not yet exercised this facet of participation in the UN and I am very excited about this learning opportuinity. I am making this thread with hopes that this idea will be considered if it has not already been so and that I will receive enough criticism to make the necessary adjustments to this very rough draft in order to submit to the floor (or perhaps to just file 13 it).

I am also not certain where this proposal would be categorized. I think the closest would be "Environmental".

I appreciate your attention and I am looking forward to your comments.

*** Pardon my newbie ignorance in developing a proposal that is worthy of quorum. I have not yet exercised this facet of participation in the UN and I am very excited about this learning opportuinity. I am making this thread with hopes that this idea will be considered if it has not already been so and that I will receive enough criticism to make the necessary adjustments to this very rough draft in order to submit to the floor (or perhaps to just file 13 it).

I am also not certain where this proposal would be categorized. I think the closest would be "Environmental".

I appreciate your attention and I am looking forward to your comments.

Well, before you go too much further with this idea, I'd encourage you to check out the United Nations Space Consortium:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?c=5

It may be related. :)

Is this project an investment? Radlett does not feel drawn to sharing the costs of a project she does not endorse and might easily fail.

Well, before you go too much further with this idea, I'd encourage you to check out the United Nations Space Consortium:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?c=5

It may be related. :)

Ah, well that covers much of this ambition. Thanks for the enlightenment and I am glad there is already a unified space effort in effect already.

Ah, well that covers much of this ambition. Thanks for the enlightenment and I am glad there is already a unified space effort in effect already.

The players involved in the UNSC are always looking for new players, so I'd encourage you to feel free to post in that forum. They are some of the most friendly NationStates players around. :)

Second, though we aren't allowed to really duplicate or copy proposals, it might be possible to dream up a new idea that expands upon what has been done in the past.

An idea I'd encourage you to consider is to talk about a UN Planetary Sciences Council or something that would use the resources and information from space exploration and then act as an international clearing house for info. The real world equivalent might be something like the "Earth Observing System", but mentiong "Earth" will rattle the feathers of some players.

The real world equivalent might be something like the "Earth Observing System", but mentiong "Earth" will rattle the feathers of some players.
In particular, those nations that aren't actually on Earth.

In particular, those nations that aren't actually on Earth.

Where, exactly, are you? :rolleyes:

Oh, no, I'm on Earth. I just meant nations like DemonLordEnigma, who is some distance away from Earth (by a matter of light-years), or nations like The Jovian Worlds (though I'm not sure he/she's still around) who are based on other parts of this solar system.

Proposal: U.N.-sponsored Space Exploration and Utilization Program

There already is one.

Like NASA, only it would be contributed to and manned with support from all nation states a part of UN community.

See above.

Space is the final frontier. It is vast in its mystery as well as its potential resources. Satellites are the beginning but not necessarily the end; while nation states may be satisfied with the success of their own projects in the realm above, the means of continuance and evolution are often out of an individual nation's wallet and the failure rate of these projects high enough to scare off investors.

Correction: The Multiverse is the final frontier. We have nations that have explored pretty much everything and nations that have broken the time barrier. The Multiverse itself is still being explored.

Also, my projects happen to include colonizing words hundreds of lightyears away from my own, and the fact my ships travel nearly 2000 lightyears to Earth. And I am actually not that far out compared to some of the nations I deal with on a regular basis, both in distance and technology level.

What if, through solidarity with other nations, these expeditions could be made more efficient and less costly? What if there could be a shared joy in a probe or a manned spacecraft reaching its destination, but also shared burden of setback? The inevitable latter would be less of a blow to individual nations' investments, fiscally as well as to good faith.

Considering the nations in the UN, deciding all of us should share results in Earth getting technology that the majority of nations on it are not ready for yet. And the only setback I suffer is when I have to send another ship to explore an area, and most of my ships don't cost as much as you would think. Efficiency in production and resource mining tends to bring the cost down.

The problems? Cost, technology, and human resources. These of course would have to be offered by nation states with no expectations of recompense. But with high costs there is potential to reap great rewards that would benefit the world of Nation States.

The only technology problem is convincing those of us who already have it to share it. Not gonna happen. The cost problem is due to technology level and production inefficiency, and those you should dolve on your own. And humans are, due to their high presense in this galaxy, pretty much expendable.

Oh, and the rewards are not what you would think. You merely gain the increased chance someone much bigger and much badder than you will decide to wipe you out and have to compete with races that have been at this since before humanity discovered fire or, in a few cases, before Earth was done condensing from a gas cloud. And there's not exactly any room in the Sol System, as just about everything in it is already claimed and inhabitted.

This proposal will be designed to make more expedient humankind's prescence in space as well as increase out knowledge of it through cooperation by the UN's constituents. More practically, and perhaps imperatively, with populations expanding everyday, our Malthusian crisis presses heavily on our citizens' lives and resources. With the most current technology, it is not likely that the UN will be able to construct habitats on the Moon or Mars if such a proposal as this were passed tomorrow. That is not what this proposal is about, but it is an example of a possible goal that an individual nation state alone may not be able to muster.

Question: Will the Lunar or Martian governments let you put colonies there? I would contact them first, as some people tend not to respond well to aliens trying to move on to their planet. I am glad you're not stating that as a goal, as that could cause an interplanetary war and, frankly, I'm not going to side with the side that cause it by not bothering to check around.

Also, humans are actually quite common in space. Humans have the majority of the spacial empires. And many of them end up involved in wars. You not only have your own species, but a variety of others and even genetically superior evolutions of humanity to deal with, such as Ssarkarasetans.

In short, space is exactly like Earth, only with more space you can take over. So, really, you're leaping from the frying pan to the fire.

Additional benefits include an output of useful technology not exclusive to space exploration, such as a more efficient means of utilizing energy sources.

Good luck on that. Many of us in space are still searching for truly efficient energy sources that don't involve ignoring physics. My ships, for example, use plasma and energy generated by antimatter reactors for power. The plasma is merely recycled back into the reactor. That, in turn, is used to power the graviton jump drives, which allow the ships to travel through space by using a principal similar to how a black hole generates time dilation. But that technology took thousands of years before it was perfected and has existed since before Earth.

*** Pardon my newbie ignorance in developing a proposal that is worthy of quorum. I have not yet exercised this facet of participation in the UN and I am very excited about this learning opportuinity. I am making this thread with hopes that this idea will be considered if it has not already been so and that I will receive enough criticism to make the necessary adjustments to this very rough draft in order to submit to the floor (or perhaps to just file 13 it).

Just change a few items to count for what we have said and limit it to nations on Earth that have not already achieved space travel. You then eliminate the complaints of nations such as mine that don't honestly want to waste resources on cultures less advanced without getting some kind of benefit from it, which this wouldn't provide.

I am also not certain where this proposal would be categorized. I think the closest would be "Environmental".

Hmm. Up to you, as an arguement can be made for multiple categories. Part of why we need more categories.

I appreciate your attention and I am looking forward to your comments.

You're welcome.

Oh, no, I'm on Earth. I just meant nations like DemonLordEnigma, who is some distance away from Earth (by a matter of light-years), or nations like The Jovian Worlds (though I'm not sure he/she's still around) who are based on other parts of this solar system.

We also have a few others that post on this board that are from other planets, but I tend to be freer with the information. Mainly because all you have to do is click a link in my signature and get it.