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I just did my Regional Delegate duty and passed through all of the current proposals, and I want to strangle some people!

There is a resolution asking that all businesses install "insinuators." What are we insinuating? That certain people can't spell? I think there's no point in insinuating anything, it's right out in the open! It's supposed to be "incinerators"!

I also want to complain about the number of proposals that are so horribly written that I can't follow what is being said.

I don't care what you want to propose, but whatever you do, please spell correctly, proofread, and make it readable for the vast majority of people on NS.

it would be nice if they also put it on here first. That way we could correct it as well!

I just did my Regional Delegate duty and passed through all of the current proposals, and I want to strangle some people!

Strange doesn't even quite give it justice!

Welcome to the UN!

Yes, welcome in to the UN indeed. So, some people are sick of silly proposals or bad proposals? MY region The Exodus has bene trying to an alliance named FORT up and running. We are looking for member regions to join it. Basically, we will come together and help to try and pass the good resolutions and proposals in the UN and vote down the bad ones. Are aim is to help strengthen and better the UN. Anyone interested?

it would be nice if they also put it on here first. That way we could correct it as well!

First, I'm glad to see you back. :)

Second, even posting here doesn't mean constructive advice is offered. Those of us that post frequently should tone down the rhetoric and just make suggestions on text. Some of the regulars are doing that, but IMO not enough of us are.

Those of us that post frequently should tone down the rhetoric and just make suggestions on text. Some of the regulars are doing that, but IMO not enough of us are.
I find myself in agreement here. I've tried to give constructive criticism, only to have my post lost in a sea of freeform irrelevant and irreverant roleplay.

Yeah, it's a roleplay site. Yeah, the UN is semi-IC. It's just that the same old arguments about how "this can't possibly apply to my nation because we're *special*" are drowning out any positive commentary. Yeah, I've been guilty of that too, but I usually try to make an object lesson out of the example, rather than trying to belittle some sixth-grader who's making his first try at international law.

Can we chill with the Space Tech, maybe? Stop killing resigning Ambassadors and stealing their office supplies? The jokes are stale. Let's get back to the business of the UN, which is to attempt to make decent law ... or at least prevent bad law from getting passed.

The UN needs help, and the FORT alliance I believe can help FORT. I posted above outlining some basics of FORT. The alliance is still being developed and we need regions to sign up for FORT. I will field any questions right now. I encourage nations to check FORT out, and it needs direction and support right now.

The address to the FORT forum is: http://s8.invisionfree.com/FORT/index.php?act=idx

Can you please stop spamming the UN forum with this stuff about FORT. If I see it again I will report it. I don't see how it is any different to regional spamming, which is only allowed in the Gameplay forum.

People were showing some displeasure over UN affairs, and I was tleling them about FORT. I figured since FORT had to do with the UN I could talk about it here. I am sorry if I was wrong.

People were showing some displeasure over UN affairs, and I was tleling them about FORT. I figured since FORT had to do with the UN I could talk about it here. I am sorry if I was wrong.

I think the best place for a alliance of regions advertisement is "Gameplay". Just start a thread, advertise, and keep bumping. Be patient, too. Gameplay is even slower than the UN forum most of the time.

As far as posts about it in the UN forum, I'd suggest a passing reference in a bigger post wouldn't hurt. But make sure you're not just posting to advertise FORT. You could also put it in your signature, as many of the regular posters review those from time to time.

The Golden Horn could possibly be interested in FORT. We'll investigate in a few weeks, after the current proposal situations are cleared up.

What about creating a resolution which requires all future resolutions to be proofread by an international proofreading task force before being put to a vote? Would anyone support such a resolution? Is that even within the bounds of what resolutions can do?

What about creating a resolution which requires all future resolutions to be proofread by an international proofreading task force before being put to a vote? Would anyone support such a resolution? Is that even within the bounds of what resolutions can do?

I think it's beyond the range of a resolution to change the rules about future resolutions. I think it's just a matter of game mechanics, just as a resolution can't andate forum activity, or change the way regional delegate endorsement works. There were several early attempts at creating guidelines for resolutions through resolutions, but these were removed by the moderators. I'll see if I can find some links.

I think it's beyond the range of a resolution to change the rules about future resolutions. I think it's just a matter of game mechanics, just as a resolution can't andate forum activity, or change the way regional delegate endorsement works. There were several early attempts at creating guidelines for resolutions through resolutions, but these were removed by the moderators. I'll see if I can find some links.

The NSWiki has archived all of the Furtherment of Democracy resolutions. That category stands out as the most abused resolution category in NationStates, with most of the FD resolutions having been actually deleted by the mods. Remember, there have been other resolutions which were questionable due to wrong category / classification that have reached the UN floor and still stand on the books, but players have miss used that category to make all sorts of game mechanics changes.

If we really want to improve the quality of resolutions we have to stop pretending playing the space rhetoric and just any time we see a proposal (even ones that we don't really like) make suggested changes. Though I liked Tejasdom's Tsunami proposal, look what Groot Gouda did. His nation had some reservations about the format and content of the resolution ... and though he endorsed it at the request of other International Democratic Union members (as in my government asked him to), he went and created alternative text for the entire resolution. Look what I did too! I created a basic preamble that could have been used.

Now in that case both Groot and myself supported the basic idea and really wanted to help with it. So much that we'll continue to flesh this idea out. But there have been other proposals where I've either written or telegrammed either a complete draft or a few sentences.

All too often there are people that are just stroking their "Galatic" sized egos and they just aren't helping. And I really believe that the quality of resolutions goes down, because players don't view this forum as a viable place to get real help. Heck, a few players (I will not name) have suggested I take my own draft proposals and just ignore the posts of a few of the popular / frequent UN forum posters! How bad is that that other players are advocating ignoring other players. (Sadly I don't think they even realize this is going on, and if I were to tell them, I doubt they'd believe me.) :(

Can you please stop spamming the UN forum with this stuff about FORT. If I see it again I will report it. I don't see how it is any different to regional spamming, which is only allowed in the Gameplay forum.

Having not looked at it __yet__ I'm not ready to pass judgement. Enn, have you actually looked at it?

How is it different than me talking about the United Nations Organizations? That is an offsite board dedicated to UN related roleplaying and UN related studies. It has standing here, perhaps FORT does.

I'll now make a point to review it.

I was making a passing reference I thought, and thanks for the ideas Powerhungry Chipmunks.

I will definitely add it to my signature.

I TGed a few people yesterday offering ideas and feedback about a proposal they had in the UN. I think it is up to us all to help better the quality of resolutions.

erm...what's FART?....

You mean FORT. I explained it up above, and so not to choke this thread up with this stuff. TG me at The Avenging Angels with questions, and I also posted in a previous post here a link to the forum for it.

Er... sorry about earlier. I'd just had a bad day, not happy, lashed out a bit. But really, I don't see how they were 'passing references' when the entire post is basically about FORT.
Oh, and Avenging Angels, I believe Bahgum was making a joke (okay, a bad joke). Don't worry about it too much.

Having not looked at it __yet__ I'm not ready to pass judgement. Enn, have you actually looked at it?

How is it different than me talking about the United Nations Organizations? That is an offsite board dedicated to UN related roleplaying and UN related studies. It has standing here, perhaps FORT does.

I'll now make a point to review it.

OK, I've looked (lurked) at the site and having set up my own UN related forum I can appreciate how hard it is to generate interest in off-site forums and understand why there is little activitity, but on a quick view I did not see a general stickied thread with a mission statement for FORT.

Is this appropriate and worth promoting here? Sure, I think it is topical. But I'm not a moderator, and just stating the opinion of a self professed liberal UN loving nation. ;)


Just some advice now on passing through ...

I do think you need a mission statement and that it should be pinned and easy to find:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?showtopic=4

That is what I through together for the UNO. (Reproduced below)


UN Organizations (UNO) is a clearing house for some of the NationStates United Nations created committees and treaty organizations, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), and private voluntary organizations (PVOs) that actively work with or for the United Nations. The UNO’s primary goal is to facilitate greater communication and participation between its various member organizations and national governments and private citizens.

The following organizations are members of the UNO:

- UN Space Consortium (UNSC)
- UN Committee on Illicit Arms Trafficking (UNCIAT)
- International Red Cross Organization (IRCO)
- United Nations Association (UNA)

Any organization that works with or for the United Nations may join the UNO by contacting Janet Van Dyne, Chairwoman UNA-Mikitivity.


Perhaps FORT has a pinned thread, but I was actually scanning for something quick and dirty and short (like the above). Since it is an alliance of sorts, you might also create an index of participating nations:

Here is what I've set up for the NationStates created International Red Cross Organization:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?showtopic=38

(too much formatting to repost here)

Anyways, that is my 60 second opinion. Keep up the good work and don't worry if only a few nations take an interest. I'm active in the IDU, which has some wonderful nations, but we do not boost the numbers of many regions. And the UNO is often just me talking to myself -or- the UNSC doing very real work. :)

Miktivity would you be interested in checking FORT out?

I am in the middle of revamping FORT, and finding someone new to head up the project. I most lilely will start a thread under gameplay for FORT.

We are still getting the project off the ground and have no mission statement as of yet, and I aprpeciate your ideas and kind words.

You said your aim is to get the good resolutions voted for. Well who decides that? You? Is it just well written ones that are going to be taken on by "FORT"? Are you going for a socialist agenda, liberal, conservative, environmental, authoritarian, libertarian . . . ?

My point is your idea of a good resolution could be my idea of a bad resolution, so we need to know where you're coming from.

I started a thread for FORT discussion under gameplay, please go there from now on. :)

erm...what's FART?....
Pull my finger and find out.:D