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As many counties and states cannot control the sharp decline in animal populations recently, the UN must form a body regulating international animal welfare.

Requires that:
1) The UNAWEB (united nations animal welfare board) be formed. This will be a peaceful force, and will have freedom to visit countries affected by the resolution at will. However, recommendations by the UNAWEB are not legally binding, only simple advice.
2) All animal circuses and exotic pet shops be closed. Zoos may stay open to educate the public, on the condition that extensive programs to release endangered animals into the wild are created. Animals may not be captured from the wild and cadged.
3) Areas of significant animal populations be protected and made into national reserves. No roads or buildings may be constructed in these areas.
4) The fir trade be made illegal.
5) Endangered animals be protected by the state, and all poachers be fined and/or imprisoned.
6) All creatures be slaughtered humanely.
7) An end to hunting with dogs and guns. More discreet and less distressing ways of killing animals be introduced.

I urge all nations to accept this proposal, for the good of our animal neighbours.

Unless that the treatment of animals in one nation affects what happeneds in other nations, then the UN, and no other governing body outside of that country, has any right to try and control their animal population.

No.

Actually the UN has the right to meddle in the affairs of any UN nation. When a UN resolution passes it effects all UN nations whether they like it or not.

Actually the UN has the right to meddle in the affairs of any UN nation. When a UN resolution passes it effects all UN nations whether they like it or not.
I mearly mean to point out that this resolution should not be passed based on what I said above.

As many counties and states cannot control the sharp decline in animal populations recently, the UN must form a body regulating international animal welfare.

Okay, this won't get much support from me.

Requires that:
1) The UNAWEB (united nations animal welfare board) be formed. This will be a peaceful force, and will have freedom to visit countries affected by the resolution at will. However, recommendations by the UNAWEB are not legally binding, only simple advice.

Assuming they like being killed as soon as they cross the boarder, go ahead. I won't stop them from suffering "accidents."

2) All animal circuses and exotic pet shops be closed. Zoos may stay open to educate the public, on the condition that extensive programs to release endangered animals into the wild are created. Animals may not be captured from the wild and cadged.

1) Exotic pet shops are the only way some species stay alive in DLE. You're going to condemn them to death?

2) DLE is a multiplanetary empire. Do you have any idea how hard it is to move animals over the distances involved? Also, those caged are typically the ones that have proven too dangerous to allow to run free.

3) Areas of significant animal populations be protected and made into national reserves. No roads or buildings may be constructed in these areas.

Congrats. That's most of my nation. That would stop all growth of my country and make it stuck at the levels it currently is, when as it stands I am set up to support billions and still have expansive nature reserves.

4) The fir trade be made illegal.

Fur is a commodity with too many practical applications. Plus, this creates a form of waste from the animals we eat.

5) Endangered animals be protected by the state, and all poachers be fined and/or imprisoned.

The only endangered animals I have usually have enough protection the military doesn't like messing with them. Not a problem.

6) All creatures be slaughtered humanely.

Define "humanely."

7) An end to hunting with dogs and guns. More discreet and less distressing ways of killing animals be introduced.

Oh? Like what?

I urge all nations to accept this proposal, for the good of our animal neighbours.

I urge the opposite for the same reason.

Unless that the treatment of animals in one nation affects what happeneds in other nations, then the UN, and no other governing body outside of that country, has any right to try and control their animal population.

No.

This resolution is not passed simply to increase animal populations, but to protect them. No country, however ruled, has the right to kill and mistreat defenceless animals. When a country cannot help itself, I feel that the UN should assist them.

This resolution is not passed simply to increase animal populations, but to protect them. No country, however ruled, has the right to kill and mistreat defenceless animals. When a country cannot help itself, I feel that the UN should assist them.
Maybe they dont want help? Or maybe they want certain animals to be extinct, their is such a thing as NATURAL extinction you know.

Okay, this won't get much support from me.



Assuming they like being killed as soon as they cross the boarder, go ahead. I won't stop them from suffering "accidents."



1) Exotic pet shops are the only way some species stay alive in DLE. You're going to condemn them to death?

2) DLE is a multiplanetary empire. Do you have any idea how hard it is to move animals over the distances involved? Also, those caged are typically the ones that have proven too dangerous to allow to run free.



Congrats. That's most of my nation. That would stop all growth of my country and make it stuck at the levels it currently is, when as it stands I am set up to support billions and still have expansive nature reserves.



Fur is a commodity with too many practical applications. Plus, this creates a form of waste from the animals we eat.



The only endangered animals I have usually have enough protection the military doesn't like messing with them. Not a problem.



Define "humanely."



Oh? Like what?



I urge the opposite for the same reason.

1) If your county will kill innocent peacekeeprs then I strongly reccomend that you leave the UN.

2) Animals stay alive in pet-shops, but their lives are short and miserable, unless you have huge cages and exact replicas of their natural habitat. When they are sold, they are usually almost always mistreated. Weather intentionally or not.

3) I am not implying that you transport any animals.

4) Expanding your nation into forests inhabited by large numbers of animals is worthy of intervention, resolution or not. Some areas must be protected at least.

5) Furs are usually made from otter, bear, mink and rabbit hair. I doubt that your people regularly eat these animals.

6) Good, a first step

7) By humanely, I mean the animal is killed quickly and painlessly. NOT with a bullet through the head or with electricity.

8) I'll leave that for you to decide and develop. A popular one is blood thinning traps. A fox for example eats an object lookig like a chicken, and walks off. When MR Fox cuts himself, he will die from loss of blood. Quick, natural and 'kinder' towards the animal. This method is used frequently to control rodent populations.

1) If your county will kill innocent peacekeeprs then I strongly reccomend that you leave the UN.
He never said anything about killing UN peace keepers.

2) Animals stay alive in pet-shops, but their lives are short and miserable, unless you have huge cages and exact replicas of their natural habitat. When they are sold, they are usually almost always mistreated. Weather intentionally or not.

So because you have evidence or some animals being abused and miss treated in pet shops then all are guilty? And you have evidence of almost every animal always being mistreated after being sold? Because if you do I would like to see some of it.


4) Expanding your nation into forests inhabited by large numbers of animals is worthy of intervention, resolution or not. Some areas must be protected at least.
This is based on opinion, in nature the strongest survive and expand their race, DLE and I are not doing anything that doesn't happen in nature.
5) Furs are usually made from otter, bear, mink and rabbit hair. I doubt that your people regularly eat these animals.
Furs can provide people with a way of keeping warm, not just for food, but for warmth. And How do you know what anyone eats?



7) By humanely, I mean the animal is killed quickly and painlessly. NOT with a bullet through the head or with electricity.

A bullet through the head is the quickest way any thing can die, and its painless. Same pretty much goes with HIGH volts of electricity.

8) I'll leave that for you to decide and develop. A popular one is blood thinning traps. A fox for example eats an object lookig like a chicken, and walks off. When MR Fox cuts himself, he will die from loss of blood. Quick, natural and 'kinder' towards the animal. This method is used frequently to control rodent populations.[/QUOTE]

Quick? Natural? "Kinder"? All three of those are totally false, their is nothing quick about bleeding to death, its painless and messey. And NO where in nature is it natural to have blood thinner and then die. To suffer a horrible and messy death is not kind at all.

He never said anything about killing UN peace keepers.

If you look closely, he was implying it.



So because you have evidence or some animals being abused and miss treated in pet shops then all are guilty? And you have evidence of almost every animal always being mistreated after being sold? Because if you do I would like to see some of it.

Firstly, pet shop owners usually gain these animals by taking them from the wild. Believe me, there is no other way. After buying, owners do not always care for or respect their animals. They might be feeding the creature the wrong food. Most homes cannot accomodate a suitable habitat for exotic birds and lanimals.



This is based on opinion, in nature the strongest survive and expand their race, DLE and I are not doing anything that doesn't happen in nature.

Animals don't expand by destroying. DLE are creating a nation purely for human benifit. Just because we evolved, doesn't mean that we have any sort of right to destroy the nature that supports us. DLE is also not complying with the deforestation act.

Furs can provide people with a way of keeping warm, not just for food, but for warmth. And How do you know what anyone eats?

There are other ways of keeping warm. Furs are a fashion statement. DLE might eat bears, but most earth nations to not.

A bullet through the head is the quickest way any thing can die, and its painless. Same pretty much goes with HIGH volts of electricity.

This method is distressing for the animal, as it is often performed with little respect to the creature. A bullet does not always kill instantly, and can lead to even crueler means of death.

8) I'll leave that for you to decide and develop. A popular one is blood thinning traps. A fox for example eats an object lookig like a chicken, and walks off. When MR Fox cuts himself, he will die from loss of blood. Quick, natural and 'kinder' towards the animal. This method is used frequently to control rodent populations.[/QUOTE]

Quick? Natural? "Kinder"? All three of those are totally false, their is nothing quick about bleeding to death, its painless and messey. And NO where in nature is it natural to have blood thinner and then die. To suffer a horrible and messy death is not kind at all.

Animals regularly bleed to death. This method is not any more painful than an ordinary cut, and does not cause alarm as no humans are present. I don't think that animals mind mess.

1) If your county will kill innocent peacekeeprs then I strongly reccomend that you leave the UN.

My country has shot down refugee ships before. If you're not invited, then you must be hostile. And I see no evidence they are peacekeepers.

2) Animals stay alive in pet-shops, but their lives are short and miserable, unless you have huge cages and exact replicas of their natural habitat. When they are sold, they are usually almost always mistreated. Weather intentionally or not.

That depends on national regulations and on the pet stores. Just because a few do it doesn't mean all do.

3) I am not implying that you transport any animals.

When their native habitat is on another planet, how do you propose they get there?

4) Expanding your nation into forests inhabited by large numbers of animals is worthy of intervention, resolution or not. Some areas must be protected at least.

More than a third of DLE territory is forests. I don't exactly have anywhere else to expand to without causing more serious ecological damage than cutting down a forest would. Besides, the planets they are on are mostly unsettled, so they don't exactly have worries about finding another place to hide at.

5) Furs are usually made from otter, bear, mink and rabbit hair. I doubt that your people regularly eat these animals.

Otter is not native to DLE, bear has an amazing variety of dinnertime uses, mink doesn't taste bad if flavored right, and rabbit makes an excellent stew.

6) Good, a first step

Not really. Considering the numbers of people they kill every year, a proper first step is to kill the majority and isolate the survivors. I'm not talking about your nice and friendly Earth animals. These suckers would eat them.

7) By humanely, I mean the animal is killed quickly and painlessly. NOT with a bullet through the head or with electricity.

A bullet through the head is instantaneous death, not even giving the pain neurons enough time to fire before it's too late. How do you get more humane than that?

8) I'll leave that for you to decide and develop. A popular one is blood thinning traps. A fox for example eats an object lookig like a chicken, and walks off. When MR Fox cuts himself, he will die from loss of blood. Quick, natural and 'kinder' towards the animal. This method is used frequently to control rodent populations.

ElectronX dealt with this.

]My country has shot down refugee ships before. If you're not invited, then you must be hostile. And I see no evidence they are peacekeepers.

That is the point of the resolution. They are as good as invited. They are not some secret intelligence force

That depends on national regulations and on the pet stores. Just because a few do it doesn't mean all do.

Come on. All exotic animals are gained unfairly. They are not native to wooded areas around cities.

When their native habitat is on another planet, how do you propose they get there?

I'm wondering how they got on your planet in the first place.

More than a third of DLE territory is forests. I don't exactly have anywhere else to expand to without causing more serious ecological damage than cutting down a forest would. Besides, the planets they are on are mostly unsettled, so they don't exactly have worries about finding another place to hide at.

Cut down as much as you can without causing serious ecological problems. The animals will move deeper into the forest

Otter is not native to DLE, bear has an amazing variety of dinnertime uses, mink doesn't taste bad if flavored right, and rabbit makes an excellent stew.

Haha

Not really. Considering the numbers of people they kill every year, a proper first step is to kill the majority and isolate the survivors. I'm not talking about your nice and friendly Earth animals. These suckers would eat them.



A bullet through the head is instantaneous death, not even giving the pain neurons enough time to fire before it's too late. How do you get more humane than that?


I told you lot, read my updated arhument in the previous post.

ElectronX dealt with this.

And I dealt with ElectronX

That is the point of the resolution. They are as good as invited. They are not some secret intelligence force

Depends on the type of animals you mean, any kind of animal can be harmfull to a nation of people and the way someone secures their borders doesn't matter to you.


Come on. All exotic animals are gained unfairly. They are not native to wooded areas around cities.
Oh really? Some exotic animals are not atracted to humans? And you forget about breeding and new born exotic animals, they were never in the wild.






I told you lot, read my updated arhument in the previous post.

If an animal knows it is going to die by bullet or electricity (Which is impossible because of their sense of awareness) then it could be agreed they would be in distress, but they are not. Bleeding to death is one of the messiest and most stressful ways to die, not to meantion the most painfull.

FOX:"Oh man, I am bleeding to death, slowly I am loosing all of my blood as I run and try to covered the wound as I feel my strength training. But it is so humane." :rolleyes:


And I dealt with ElectronX

If you mean with poor arguements that have little fat behind them, and rely heavily on an induviduals opinion, then yes you have. But in all other areas, you havn't done jack.

That is the point of the resolution. They are as good as invited. They are not some secret intelligence force

If they are invited, they get DLE escort. If not, they are hostile. The UN Gnomes are about the only exception.

Come on. All exotic animals are gained unfairly. They are not native to wooded areas around cities.

Depends how you define "exotic."

I'm wondering how they got on your planet in the first place.

The same way they'll get back.

Cut down as much as you can without causing serious ecological problems. The animals will move deeper into the forest

Unless I need the entire forest remove.

Haha

You think I'm joking? Rabbit stew is a ver good dish. Try it sometime.

I told you lot, read my updated arhument in the previous post.

I'll get to it next.

If you look closely, he was implying it.

No, I was implying I'd shoot down UNAWEB forces. I don't count them as peacekeepers.

Firstly, pet shop owners usually gain these animals by taking them from the wild. Believe me, there is no other way. After buying, owners do not always care for or respect their animals. They might be feeding the creature the wrong food. Most homes cannot accomodate a suitable habitat for exotic birds and lanimals.

Or, they could have breeding stocks they use to get the exotic animals, such as some stores have with fish and reptiles. And those owners who don't take care of animals are breaking DLE law. If they want to take care of them, they should research them.

Animals don't expand by destroying. DLE are creating a nation purely for human benifit. Just because we evolved, doesn't mean that we have any sort of right to destroy the nature that supports us. DLE is also not complying with the deforestation act.

For Sarkarasetan benefit. Sarkarasetans are an evolution of humanity.

By resolutions, you mean this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7029633&postcount=24)? Or this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030085&postcount=49)? Or maybe this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030200&postcount=67)? None of them make it illegal.

There are other ways of keeping warm. Furs are a fashion statement. DLE might eat bears, but most earth nations to not.

I like being unusual.

This method is distressing for the animal, as it is often performed with little respect to the creature. A bullet does not always kill instantly, and can lead to even crueler means of death.

If it doesn't kill immediately, you weren't using a big enough bullet.

I'll let someone else deal entirely with the rest.

Honestly, some of the resolutions in it would cripple other countries. the last part alone makes me vote this down. Considering that putting a bullet in an animal's head is painless... putting a high amount of amps along with some volts of electricity into a brain is painless... and considering that they actually have air guns now that can instantaneously kill an animal... I don't even see how an argument for noise can be made. Animals don't know what you are going to do to them, therefore cannot be distressed by a gun if they haven't seen, heard, and seen the result of the actions of a gun... tons of times.

Bleeding to death would be cruel as heck. You just sit and bleed, eventually losing strength and along with it, the ability to get oxygen to your brain and other parts of your body. That results in hyperventilation and severe cramping. Humane? I think not.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

4) The fir trade be made illegal.
What, so now we can't import Christmas trees? That'll certainly annoy the EuroChristian citizens of Enn. They like their fir trees come December.

Yes, I am fully aware of what you meant. but this is just one of the problems associated with not getting your spelling right. Should your proposal pass in its current form, then there is absolutely nothing to prevent the fur trade continuing as it was.

This resolution is not passed simply to increase animal populations, but to protect them. No country, however ruled, has the right to kill and mistreat defenceless animals. When a country cannot help itself, I feel that the UN should assist them.

Every country, has the right to treat animals within its borders in whatever manner they see fit...

Goddamnit... Use quotes!!!!

Animals don't expand by destroying. DLE are creating a nation purely for human benifit. Just because we evolved, doesn't mean that we have any sort of right to destroy the nature that supports us. DLE is also not complying with the deforestation act.

DLE lives in a multi-planetary empire... I doubt many, if any of his planets have Trees, let alone Forrests... And quite likely few of them are habitable by humans.


Animals regularly bleed to death. This method is not any more painful than an ordinary cut, and does not cause alarm as no humans are present. I don't think that animals mind mess.

Slowly bleeding to death is quite painfull... I don't know who told you otherwise... But they were an idiot...

Baby steps.

Wouldn't it be better to first protect intelligent life?
What have animals ever done for society, anyway?
Who was it that invented the internal combustion engine - was it Porky Pig?

This proposal discriminates against human beings.

The Republic consists of only one planetary human Dominion... The other 4 planets and the lunar Dominion are all of Tekanian descent... So no, our goal is not the expansion of humans...