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REAFFIRMING that is time to revive the Space programs of Earth and make them the most funded programs on Earth and in space;

REALIZING that there are other things that are important as well like defeating diseases and starvation but it is time we explore the universe;

CALLS UPON that all of the United Nations members to help with this endeavor as it must be a united effort. We are not only one nation or one person but we are one species and one race;

REQUESTING
1. That all wealthy and/or economically promising nations must have a space program if they do not have one already;

2. There will be a new agency called E.S.A. (Earth Space Agency). The duties of E.S.A. are as followed:
2A.The E.S.A. will head all operations in Space.
2B.Shall have a recording of all spacecraft that are built.
2C.E.S.A. will plan missions to different bodies in space.
2D.Regulating and tracking private space efforts and craft.
2E.Finally the E.S.A. shall be the headquarters for all Astronomical and Space Engineering research.

3. One of the E.S.A’s first goal's will be to start researching new technology to make the spacecraft go faster, smoother, and safer.

4. We will begin the colonization of Mars which will be happening within the next thirty years. We will be doing this to study what happened to Mars and to answer questions. Like how can there be water and no life today? Why has the water frozen? Finally if there was life on Mars did it some how come here to earth?

5. We will all be creating a permanent and self sufficient orbital facility platform where research can be done and spaceships can be built.

6. Establish permanent colonies on the moon.

7. Finally a headquarters will be built for the E.S.A. To head all E.S.A.’s operations. It will also include a research facility, engineering facility, and launching facility.

SEEKING is what we do. We are explorers. It is who we are. It is time humanity reach for the stars. We have been on this planet long enough. Space gives numerous potentials for humanity. We must take advantage of them.

It's nice to know you listened, but I still have some nitpicks:

First, I don't think that researching engines that can manipulate time and space should be an immediate priority. There's already so much we haven't seen within the bounds of our own solar system. Shouldn't exploring it be our first priority?

Also, I would let the scientists set the time frames for the colonization of Mars. There's still a lot we have to do to make a sustainable colony on Mars possible.

I would have to agree with Fatastitan. Creating engines that manipulate space and time in a manner to make interstellar travel a possibility is an unrealistic goal at this time. The technology to facilitate the violation of the laws of physics simply does not exist in the real world. I support a renewed effort to explore space, but find no value in pursuing (or participating in) this "Star Trek-esque" science fantasy.

I have to agree with the previous two posters. You need to actually get to a planet before you are building engines to get to the next system. Besides, under all examinations the idea of developing such an engine will take hundreds of years at best.

Have you checked with the Lunar and Martian nations? For some reason, I'm not sure they'll just allow you to colonise them.

Besides, many nations already have other types of engines. Ennish scientists are currently undergoing final tests of our wormhole engine, while other countries have still different space devices.

Uh, I think this resolution is geared more towards the people who don't want to play with all this futuristic crap. If I wanted to simulate an interstellar empire, I'd go play Master of Orion. I prefer to recognize modern technology only, here.

Uh, I think this resolution is geared more towards the people who don't want to play with all this futuristic crap. If I wanted to simulate an interstellar empire, I'd go play Master of Orion. I prefer to recognize modern technology only, here.

INDEED! HERE HERE!

Have you checked with the Lunar and Martian nations? For some reason, I'm not sure they'll just allow you to colonise them.

Besides, many nations already have other types of engines. Ennish scientists are currently undergoing final tests of our wormhole engine, while other countries have still different space devices.

We've been over that in the last two topics. You see the results.

It's nice to know you listened, but I still have some nitpicks:

First, I don't think that researching engines that can manipulate time and space should be an immediate priority. There's already so much we haven't seen within the bounds of our own solar system. Shouldn't exploring it be our first priority?

Also, I would let the scientists set the time frames for the colonization of Mars. There's still a lot we have to do to make a sustainable colony on Mars possible.

I incorportated your first statment but, the second I do not agree with because if you state deadline it will be done. If you don't it will take longer then it should. I feel thirty years is long enough. It takes 8 months to get to mars with curren technology. It is possible to do it in thirty.

But you still have to work out the technology needed to get there alive, and plan and build the colony itself. You shouldn't rush these things. In the interest of safety, I would rather not try to push a Mars colony until we are absolutely ready, and the bugs have been worked out. Also, you are not a scientist. You can't make any reasonable estimates on when we will be ready to accomplish this, and you shouldn't be setting arbitrary deadlines. I would leave it up to the scientists to decide when we are ready. It's not a good idea to rush something like space travel. People die.

But you still have to work out the technology needed to get there alive, and plan and build the colony itself. You shouldn't rush these things. In the interest of safety, I would rather not try to push a Mars colony until we are absolutely ready, and the bugs have been worked out. Also, you are not a scientist. You can't make any reasonable estimates on when we will be ready to accomplish this, and you shouldn't be setting arbitrary deadlines. I would leave it up to the scientists to decide when we are ready. It's not a good idea to rush something like space travel. People die.

Not to be rude but JFK wasn't a scientist and he set an deadline.

Yes, but he was being consulted by quite a few real scientists.

This resolution is still not looking at the practical implications of exploring space. For a nation to be willing to pump a lot of money into such a program it would make sence to expect at least something to come out. Sure the cold war moon shot might have not turned out much of a profit but then again that didn't cost nearly as much as sending a man to mars, or develot some sort of time space warp engin that we still don't even have physics for. Any resolution that would go up should first focus on ventures that generate some sort of revenue, such as mining astroids and other planets. Such programs as the shoemaker spacecraft mission Muses-C space probe should be the type of missions that the agency should first endorse. We already know of many sources very close to us that contain a wealth of prescoius minerals. This would also help our planet by aliviating some of the stress from ever intrusive mining efforts. Only once we can figure out how to work in space profitable and efficiently should we try to colonize another planet, such as Mars. Also the revenue generated from such mining missions would help pay for more ambitions projects such as the development of new types of engins and reaserch into phesibple ways, if the exist, of intersteler travel.

Are there any more objections?

pardon spelling errors (bad speller)

1. That all wealthy and/or economically promising nations must have a space program if they do not have one already;

I don't see a need to REQUIRE all nations to fund a space program. Some nations are very interested in the pursuit of space exploration, and some countries have a lot of more important priorities (like stabilizing their own economies, curing disease, fighting starvation and poverty, etc.) Or maybe they see better prospects in other fields and choose to invest their funds in cloning or nanotech. And how do you define "wealth/economically promising." FORCING nations to have this and that (unless it's a basic human welfare/safety issue) goes against national sovereignty and capitalism. Recommend sure, but i don't see a need to FORCE nations.

2. There will be a new agency called E.S.A. (Earth Space Agency). The duties of E.S.A. are as followed:
2A.The E.S.A. will head all operations in Space.
2B.Shall have a recording of all spacecraft that are built.
2C.E.S.A. will plan missions to different bodies in space.
2D.Regulating and tracking private space efforts and craft.
2E.Finally the E.S.A. shall be the headquarters for all Astronomical and Space Engineering research.

That's the good concept that i think you should refine and build on. A suggestion you could add is that the ESA will monitor all spacecraft traffic, and set safety regulations and standards for both vehicles and astronauts.

3. One of the E.S.A’s first goal's will be to start researching new technology to make the spacecraft go faster, smoother, and safer.

4. We will begin the colonization of Mars which will be happening within the next thirty years. We will be doing this to study what happened to Mars and to answer questions. Like how can there be water and no life today? Why has the water frozen? Finally if there was life on Mars did it some how come here to earth?

5. We will all be creating a permanent and self sufficient orbital facility platform where research can be done and spaceships can be built.

6. Establish permanent colonies on the moon.

Well, like my complaint before, I don't think you should be dictating the specifics of what projects the space organization will/must pursue. It's something better left to the scientists. I would go about it using more generalized goals, such as:

1. Research into improving the capabilities and efficiency of spacecraft technology.
2. Investigation into the geological histories of various planets and satellites within the solar system.
3. Research into long-term effects of solar radiation and low gravity conditions on humans.
4. Ventures into colonization of off-earth satellites or planets, such as the Moon or Mars.

So, in that case, you've stated the main GOALS of the space program, but you're in no way MANDATING that they must be done. Maybe, after a few years of research into the subject, scientists conclude that becuase of the harmful conditions of long-term space travel, it isn't possible to colonize the moon or mars or any other planet. It would be OK then, because you are not FORCED by this proposal to singularly pursue those goals.

7. Finally a headquarters will be built for the E.S.A. To head all E.S.A.’s operations. It will also include a research facility, engineering facility, and launching facility.

Well, a bit redundant (If you're having an all-powerful space agency, an HQ is implied). But at least you took out the bits about the tower and statue.

Tejasdom's resposne makes a lot pf sence and I know that my region would be willing to supory such a proposal if all the above changes are made.

Anyothers? If not I will be sending it in.

REAFFIRMING that is time to revive the Space programs of Earth and make them the most funded programs on Earth and in space;

The "most funded"? Why?



REALIZING that there are other things that are important as well like defeating diseases and starvation but it is time we explore the universe;

CALLS UPON that all of the United Nations members to help with this endeavor as it must be a united effort. We are not only one nation or one person but we are one species and one race;

We are neither one species nor one race on NS Earth.



REQUESTING
1. That all wealthy and/or economically promising nations must have a space program if they do not have one already;

Its a request? Ok.



2. There will be a new agency called E.S.A. (Earth Space Agency). The duties of E.S.A. are as followed:
2A.The E.S.A. will head all operations in Space.

No. We have no interest in putting a UN bureacracy in charge of our exploration of space.



2B.Shall have a recording of all spacecraft that are built.

Also not sharing technology.



2C.E.S.A. will plan missions to different bodies in space.

How nice for them.



2D.Regulating and tracking private space efforts and craft.

Uhm, no.



2E.Finally the E.S.A. shall be the headquarters for all Astronomical and Space Engineering research.


How nice for them.



3. One of the E.S.A’s first goal's will be to start researching new technology to make the spacecraft go faster, smoother, and safer.

Who funds this?



4. We will begin the colonization of Mars which will be happening within the next thirty years. We will be doing this to study what happened to Mars and to answer questions. Like how can there be water and no life today? Why has the water frozen? Finally if there was life on Mars did it some how come here to earth?

Why?



5. We will all be creating a permanent and self sufficient orbital facility platform where research can be done and spaceships can be built.

One facility for 100,000 nations. Sure.



6. Establish permanent colonies on the moon.

Why?



7. Finally a headquarters will be built for the E.S.A. To head all E.S.A.’s operations. It will also include a research facility, engineering facility, and launching facility.

Who pays?



SEEKING is what we do. We are explorers. It is who we are. It is time humanity reach for the stars. We have been on this planet long enough. Space gives numerous potentials for humanity. We must take advantage of them.

Yippee.

No support until questions addressed.

Does every resolution say where it gets it money?

When it said that portion about records of every ship built, I just figured I'd give them a couple of extremely bad tourist shots of the ships. And I mean extremely bad.

When it said that portion about records of every ship built, I just figured I'd give them a couple of extremely bad tourist shots of the ships. And I mean extremely bad.
LOL

I can provide the names of a few of our corporations that would be more than willing to sell technologies for ships, have the facilities to build the ships and the planned space station. And it'll be far cheaper than what it would cost you to do it yourselves. I'm sorry, you're not getting the specs for my military ships either. Civilian ships are fine for the most part. You're not going to convince me to let a non Yooper agency dictate what my vessels do other than, perhapse safety protocols. With a few revisions, I can live with this.

When it said that portion about records of every ship built, I just figured I'd give them a couple of extremely bad tourist shots of the ships. And I mean extremely bad.
And here I was figuring on giving them poor quality video footage of the ships launching, from about 5 miles away from the launch site of course.

I can provide the names of a few of our corporations that would be more than willing to sell technologies for ships, have the facilities to build the ships and the planned space station. And it'll be far cheaper than what it would cost you to do it yourselves. I'm sorry, you're not getting the specs for my military ships either. Civilian ships are fine for the most part. You're not going to convince me to let a non Yooper agency dictate what my vessels do other than, perhapse safety protocols. With a few revisions, I can live with this.

As the revisions are not there there are no exceptions. This proposal should be thrown into the waste treatment plant as hazardous waste.

Vastiva does not exist to create value for other nations. We are not sharing our technology, and we could care less what other nations do in space.

No support - active campaign against.