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This is my proposal about the death Penalty,
I wish all delegates will help this proposal become a resolution.
Thanks

"Recognising that:

- The investigation costs for death-sentence cases cost about 3 times more than the average cost of trials in non-death cases.
- The death penalty don't decrease the number of murders through the world.
- The Universal Bill of Rights implemented on Aug 8 2003, declares in article 5 All human beings must not be subjected to torture or to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment.
- More than half cases of people sentenced to death have been proven innocent after execution

The NationStates United Nations,

- Affirms that no government or justice court has the power on anyone life.
- Bans the sentence of Death Penalty."

A few links...and there were certainly more I could have added.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384857&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382187&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377724&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378503&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378464&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376096&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374852&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374993&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=369790&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=368520&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358004&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350082&highlight=Death+Penalty

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341562&highlight=Death+Penalty

Two words: hell no.

"More than half cases of people sentenced to death have been proven innocent after execution"

You can't use that. It is a RL statistic and this is not RL.

"More than half cases of people sentenced to death have been proven innocent after execution"

You can't use that. It is a RL statistic and this is not RL.

I'm sorry it's not a RL stat, we haven't got any stat in RL about how much innocent guys are sentenced to death in the world. I can imagine it, so as anyone.

"More than half cases of people sentenced to death have been proven innocent after execution"

You can't use that. It is a RL statistic and this is not RL.

Actually, I think as long as one doesn't cite RL sources, it's okay. Making up statistics is not an illegal action, AFAIK. :D

A few links...and there were certainly more I could have added.


Thanks!
Of course this topic is one of the most controversal in any community.
And I don't want to argue once more about that one. Everything has been said and said again.
But I think a Death Penalty Abolition has to be approved by the UN.

But I think a Death Penalty Abolition has to be approved by the UN.

That's nice. I don't think you're going to get very far with that one. Only one of the sort of proposal that you have shown has ever made quorum, and it was defeated.

Thanks!
Of course this topic is one of the most controversal in any community.
And I don't want to argue once more about that one. Everything has been said and said again.
But I think a Death Penalty Abolition has to be approved by the UN.
And I believe, as do many others, that this issue is best left to the individual nations to decide on. In fact I've seen people who are for allowing nations to use the death penalty and people who are opposed to the death penalty actually agreeing that the UN shouldn't legislate on way or the other on this issue.

In The People's Republic of Fatastistan, our policy is that serial killers, repeat rapists, and certain child molesters can be executed. This is not alway the court's decision, and if the family of the victim (or victims) decide that they do not wish the criminal to be executed, he will be sentenced to life in prison instead. They may also choose the method of execution, provided it is reasonably quick. The most common are lethal injection, hanging, and death by firing squad.

The only way a criminal can be executed, however, is if there is absolutely no doubt that they committed the crime. This usually requires that they confess, were caught in the act by several reliable witnesses, or are linked by DNA evidence that has verified by many professionals and could not possibly have been faked. We pride ourselves on never sending any innocent man to the gallows. An execution always requires irrefutable proof that the prisoner has commited the crime.
We also do not execute children, or those who are mentally deranged.

Executions are relatively rare in Fatastistan.
The main reason we allow the death sentence is not that we seek revenge (although that probably is a factor), but that many rapists, murderers, and child molesters cannot be effectively rehabilitated, and always pose a threat to society. Rather than let them live out their lives in prison and leech off of society, we find it is better to simply execute them. They would just die in prison anyway.

The death sentence may cost a huge amount of money, trials-wise, but it costs so much less than life in prison! Think about it, life in prison is practically free meals and accommodation until the day you die!!! Unless they let you out sooner, which is more often than not the case. So, as a delegate, I will not support this issue. The death penalty is a necessary crime-deterrent. Isn't it better to have people not commit the crime at all than to have to go through the process of courts and costs of courts and jail!

- The death penalty don't decrease the number of murders through the world.


How can you back up a claim like that?


- The Universal Bill of Rights implemented on Aug 8 2003, declares in article 5 All human beings must not be subjected to torture or to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment.


I think that resolution would be open to interpitation in terms of the death penalty. A valid opinion to support the abolisment of the death penalty, but not really a definite reason too.

This is my proposal about the death Penalty,
I wish all delegates will help this proposal become a resolution.
Thanks

Not another one...

"Recognising that:

- The investigation costs for death-sentence cases cost about 3 times more than the average cost of trials in non-death cases.

Judicial inefficiency on your part. I don't have this problem.

- The death penalty don't decrease the number of murders through the world.

And how does banning it decrease the number of murders?

- The Universal Bill of Rights implemented on Aug 8 2003, declares in article 5 All human beings must not be subjected to torture or to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment.

I don't define it as cruel, torture, or inhuman. With one exception, they are usually sedated when executed.

- More than half cases of people sentenced to death have been proven innocent after execution

No evidence supporting this from any DLE records. You may not be utilizing your resources properly.

The NationStates United Nations,

- Affirms that no government or justice court has the power on anyone life.

I push a button, millions of people die in a flash of light and millions more suffer from radiation poisoning. If I have no power over anyone's life, then pushing that button does nothing. Mind if I push it with your nation as a target to test it out?

- Bans the sentence of Death Penalty."

I do not support this and will not from the presented arguements.

In The People's Republic of Fatastistan, our policy is that serial killers, repeat rapists, and certain child molesters can be executed. This is not alway the court's decision, and if the family of the victim (or victims) decide that they do not wish the criminal to be executed, he will be sentenced to life in prison instead. They may also choose the method of execution, provided it is reasonably quick. The most common are lethal injection, hanging, and death by firing squad.

The only way a criminal can be executed, however, is if there is absolutely no doubt that they committed the crime. This usually requires that they confess, were caught in the act by several reliable witnesses, or are linked by DNA evidence that has verified by many professionals and could not possibly have been faked. We pride ourselves on never sending any innocent man to the gallows. An execution always requires irrefutable proof that the prisoner has commited the crime.
We also do not execute children, or those who are mentally deranged.

Executions are relatively rare in Fatastistan.
The main reason we allow the death sentence is not that we seek revenge (although that probably is a factor), but that many rapists, murderers, and child molesters cannot be effectively rehabilitated, and always pose a threat to society. Rather than let them live out their lives in prison and leech off of society, we find it is better to simply execute them. They would just die in prison anyway.

Vastiva likes the Death Penalty, and we're very good at it. Ecologically friendly, as our method is to take them five miles out and drop them into the Antarctic Ocean amid a cloud of chum. Sharks eat well, and the water will kill them within minutes in any case. To be humane, those to be executed are allowed any drugs they wish, or a bullet behind the ear, beforehand.

We do not support this attempt to ban, and will actively campaign against it should it reach queue.

I support the death penalty, its the only way we can prevent it from happening again. It gives scum something to think about.

The Death penalty if anything should be raised so that even an armed robery (also give the death penalty to children and teens b/e there parents should make sure they know right from wrong and make sure their kids do too) and will show that your gov isn;t messing around when it comes to crime and

The Death penalty if anything should be raised so that even an armed robery (also give the death penalty to children and teens b/e there parents should make sure they know right from wrong and make sure their kids do too) and will show that your gov isn;t messing around when it comes to crime and

Pass national laws to state that.