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since I had problem in my last thread, I decide to open my proposal in new thread.
give your comments, and endorese if you want:
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The Right for Culture.
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Green israel

Description: Believing that culture is one of the most important things that humanity creates,
Fully aware that culture is one of the thing that defines nations,
Convinced that every man or woman should have access to culture, without unreasonable financial or geographic barriers,
Welcoming the growing number of ways to access culture at lower prices,

The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel", the great leader and people of "The Liberal not-quite-Utopia of _Myopia_" and the UN:
1- Strongly encourage all efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations, including:
a) avoiding setting prohibitively or unreasonably high prices for said products and events,
b) having touring cultural events visit a wider range of venues so as to make them accessible to more citizens, and
c) possible provision of financial help to cultural event organizers and product vendors following the guidelines of sections a and b;
2- Note that stealing cultural products or avoiding entrance fees to cultural shows will remain crimes, to be punished as national governments see fit.

Good thinking, i like that proposal

Green israel, I like this very much.
Its much better then the first one you made.
Great job.

I really dislike seeing statements like "The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel", the great leader and people of "The Liberal not-quite-Utopia of _Myopia_" and the UN" in something intended to be international law. You get bragging rights in being the author, do you really have to make it part of the law as well?


I still don't see a need for this concept, and I'm having trouble justifying it as "Social Justice". While it fits Cogitation's profile as the opposite of Free Trade, this doesn't seem to "increase the basic welfare". You don't have my support.

Agreed.

It barely reduces income inequality (1.c.), and I see no real increase in public welfare. Also, "culture" is a pretty vague term.

- "Something's happening here / what it is ain't exactly clear"
UN Gnome in Charge of Petri Dishes

Heh, sorry for the long absense, folks. Been a touch busy.

Thanks for the credit for the phrasing help, but Fris is right, the most you should do is a little credit at the end.

This is culture, the thing that you and your people live by and all you can think of is money.

You don't like money? Can give me some...
Subsidized culture is withering, I oppose your proposal!

Who's talking about money? Do you mean the people arguing that it isn't 'Social Justice'? I'd listen to them. Particularly Hack, given that he is the Mod most often seen in the UN forum.

Thanks for the credit for the phrasing help, but Fris is right, the most you should do is a little credit at the end.
O.K in the next time I edit. I still learning how to do it right.

I'm having trouble justifying it as "Social Justice". While it fits Cogitation's profile as the opposite of Free Trade, this doesn't seem to "increase the basic welfare".
I think there is argument about that, but some define basic welfare not just as "minimal terms for survival", but as "minimal terms for life in wealth", and that definition include herself culture, reasonable education, and enough money for buying goods.
this is the definition that was in the basis of my proposal.

since I had problem in my last thread, I decide to open my proposal in new thread.
give your comments, and endorese if you want:
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The Right for Culture.
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Green israel

Description: Believing that culture is one of the most important things that humanity creates,
Fully aware that culture is one of the thing that defines nations,
Convinced that every man or woman should have access to culture, without unreasonable financial or geographic barriers,
Welcoming the growing number of ways to access culture at lower prices,

The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel", the great leader and people of "The Liberal not-quite-Utopia of _Myopia_" and the UN:
1- Strongly encourage all efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations, including:
a) avoiding setting prohibitively or unreasonably high prices for said products and events,
b) having touring cultural events visit a wider range of venues so as to make them accessible to more citizens, and
c) possible provision of financial help to cultural event organizers and product vendors following the guidelines of sections a and b;
2- Note that stealing cultural products or avoiding entrance fees to cultural shows will remain crimes, to be punished as national governments see fit.

I actually do not understand this proposal....

How is one supposed to "have access to 'culture'"?
What is 'culture'?
What does my Government have to do with pricing of these 'culture' things?
In what way is my government involved with the touring activities of these 'culture' merchants?

I actually do not understand this proposal....

1- How is one supposed to "have access to 'culture'"?
2- What is 'culture'?
3- What does my Government have to do with pricing of these 'culture' things?
4- In what way is my government involved with the touring activities of these 'culture' merchants?
1- build access ways for invalids, and help the countrey siders get culture shows and pruducts near their location.
2- every state could define herself the cultrue she want to support. maybe if I get good definition, I add it to the proposal.
3- as your goverment could regulate her business system, they could regulate the culture system. low a bit the profits of some CD's companies and artists, and the poors could "get access to culture".
4- your goverment maybe aren't involved with the tourism, but you can encourage this culture merchants, or support it.

Actually, I contributed quite a lot to the wording, and the way I phrased it means that your government doesn't necessarily have to do anything. The proposal just "encourages all efforts" - those efforts could be governmental, could be private, or the encouragement could in fact be ignored (although there is of course pressure on you).

sure, I know he hadn't need to do anything.
but I thought that he ask for the thing he will be encouraged to do.

sure, I know he hadn't need to do anything.
but I thought that he ask for the thing he will be encouraged to do.

Sorry, that wasn't mean to be correcting you, it was correcting a misconception I thought Tekania had.

1- build access ways for invalids, and help the countrey siders get culture shows and pruducts near their location.

"Culture shows" ? "Culture Products" ?


2- every state could define herself the cultrue she want to support. maybe if I get good definition, I add it to the proposal.


Suppose a nation believes that each individual should choose their own path? Like us libertines.


3- as your goverment could regulate her business system, they could regulate the culture system. low a bit the profits of some CD's companies and artists, and the poors could "get access to culture".

My government can't "regulate business", the entire nation is built around the concept of Free Market economics.


4- your goverment maybe aren't involved with the tourism, but you can encourage this culture merchants, or support it.

What is a "culture merchant" ?

Well... at least it's "mild".

I believe our friend from Tekania is quite right.

The government shouldn't impose culture on the people from above, you know. It just isn't done, old boy.

Are we considering porn to be part of our culture?

What about reality TV?

1- "Culture shows" ? "Culture Products" ?
2- Suppose a nation believes that each individual should choose their own path? Like us libertines.
3- My government can't "regulate business", the entire nation is built around the concept of Free Market economics.
What is a "culture merchant" ?
1- any nation could define herself. find me good description, and I could add it.
2- my proposal increase the number of cultures he could choose, and therefore give larger spectrum of paths.
the fact anyone could get access to culture,
doesn't mean he has to buy that culture products. it just help him do it, if he want.
3- every goverment can regulate business. maybe net every goverment want.
4- I think this is the whole business of culture shows, products and other, but I am not sure.

1- any nation could define herself. find me good description, and I could add it.

Well, we're not all "nations", The Constitutional Republic of Tekania is a state. Our people are not connected in the form of a complete national identity; except to being members of this Libertine Constitutional Republic.


2- my proposal increase the number of cultures he could choose, and therefore give larger spectrum of paths.
the fact anyone could get access to culture,
doesn't mean he has to buy that culture products. it just help him do it, if he want.

I still don't quite understand... Likely, this could be a 'cultural', or rather, an 'idealistic' barrier between our two states. And this, therefore, would not effect the Constitutional Republic, as a Libertine Confederation of Dominions under common government.


3- every goverment can regulate business. maybe net every goverment want.

I think that this, indeed, is a idealism barrier... The Constitutional Republic is unable, by Constitution, to regulate business and trade... Our people are free to persue their own paths as they themselves see fit in economics, with no governmental interference... The only place the Republic influences business, is in the form of Import Tariffs (which we need little of), and mostly that is to protect local industry, and fight the trend of globalism... Which works well for the benefit of our peoples.


4- I think this is the whole business of culture shows, products and other, but I am not sure.

But I do not quite understand what a "culture show" and a "culture merchant" are...

Well, we're not all "nations", The Constitutional Republic of Tekania is a state. Our people are not connected in the form of a complete national identity; except to being members of this Libertine Constitutional Republic. OK, my mistake. your goverment could define culture.
I still don't quite understand... Likely, this could be a 'cultural', or rather, an 'idealistic' barrier between our two states. And this, therefore, would not effect the Constitutional Republic, as a Libertine Confederation of Dominions under common government. I really can't understand waht you mean.
I think that this, indeed, is a idealism barrier... The Constitutional Republic is unable, by Constitution, to regulate business and trade... Our people are free to persue their own paths as they themselves see fit in economics, with no governmental interference... The only place the Republic influences business, is in the form of Import Tariffs (which we need little of), and mostly that is to protect local industry, and fight the trend of globalism... Which works well for the benefit of our peoples.[quote] well, idealistic barrier it is. I can't be right with your constitution without harm my proposal.
[quote]But I do not quite understand what a "culture show" and a "culture merchant" are...
definitions is by the countrey, until I find good ones.

Tekania, like I said, you wouldn't have to do anything, just interpret it as an encouragement to private individuals and organisations to take these measures.

But to be honest, although I did contribute quite a bit to the wording, I am myself unsure of whether it's something I actually want set down as a UN resolution. It's not really a big deal to me, and I'm not sure that the state should really be that heavily involved in this issue (which is why I helped edit it so that governments don't have to do anything).

2- Note that stealing cultural products or avoiding entrance fees to cultural shows will remain crimes, to be punished as national governments see fit.
What about free exhibitions, free concerts....?

What about free exhibitions, free concerts....?
I guess their enterance fee will be nothing, so there is no problem.

But to be honest, although I did contribute quite a bit to the wording, I am myself unsure of whether it's something I actually want set down as a UN resolution. It's not really a big deal to me, and I'm not sure that the state should really be that heavily involved in this issue (which is why I helped edit it so that governments don't have to do anything).the truth is even I am not ensure on the need of the proposal, but as encouragement this look better. anyway, the proposal has no power without definition of culture.