Worker's democracy (proposal)
Land And Liberty
02-01-2005, 14:44
Worker's democracy
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.
Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Land And Liberty
Description: BELIEVING that all power should be handed to the people
BELIEVING that private companies should be governed by its workers
ENSURING that a company cannot extort its employees
ENSURING that capitalism will, in the end, be replaced by true worker's democracy
VOWING that we, the socialist/progressive/anti-globalist nations on earth, will never yield to the capitalist & imperialist threat!
Approvals: 0
Status: Lacking Support (requires 144 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Wed Jan 5 2005
VOTE FOR IT!
DemonLordEnigma
02-01-2005, 15:07
Worker's democracy
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.
Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Land And Liberty
Hmm.
Description: BELIEVING that all power should be handed to the people
Well, that has certainly worked well in history. Just ask the modern-day anarchies.
BELIEVING that private companies should be governed by its workers
Why? Generally, they don't have the experience of running a company that is necessary to keep it from going bankrupt. Running corporations is different from balancing your checkbook.
ENSURING that a company cannot extort its employees
I think we have one that does that already. Check the passed resolutions.
ENSURING that capitalism will, in the end, be replaced by true worker's democracy
Well, you just guaranteed I'll never support it. And this may be illegal. Check the FAQs and stickies.
VOWING that we, the socialist/progressive/anti-globalist nations on earth, will never yield to the capitalist & imperialist threat!
Most of the progressive people on here are also capitalists. Oops.
VOTE FOR IT!
No.
_Myopia_
02-01-2005, 15:19
Your proposal doesn't seem to do anything.
Land And Liberty
02-01-2005, 15:19
Anarchy? What anarchy, i say, will of the majority!
A company should be governed by its workers because:
-they work there
-they know how to do stuff (certain people know more about certain things ofcourse)
-their decisions affect them
Progressives who are capitalists obviously still believe they can moderate capitalism, this is a mistake, however, if they would happen to agree with this proposal, they should vote for it.
Land And Liberty
02-01-2005, 15:20
Your proposal doesn't seem to do anything.
and why not
_Myopia_
02-01-2005, 15:21
It's just a statement of your ideals.
Land And Liberty
02-01-2005, 15:22
It's just a statement of your ideals.
no, well yes, but also no, it is a proposal which ofcourse conforms with my ideals, if it would not, i wouldnt have created it. Its a proposal for more democracy, true democracy.
_Myopia_
02-01-2005, 15:27
But it just states your ideals, it doesn't implement them.
DemonLordEnigma
02-01-2005, 15:27
Anarchy? What anarchy, i say, will of the majority!
Imagine you're a little kid on a school playground back in grade school. And the bullies are out in full form with no authorities to stop them. That's true democracy in action.
A company should be governed by its workers because:
-they work there
-they know how to do stuff (certain people know more about certain things ofcourse)
-their decisions affect them
1) So? They are paid by higher-ups for something those people want or think the public would want.
2) So does anyone else, including those running the corporations.
3) If they don't like the decisions, there are other jobs.
Progressives who are capitalists obviously still believe they can moderate capitalism, this is a mistake, however, if they would happen to agree with this proposal, they should vote for it.
How is it a mistake? I've managed to do it just fine.
no, well yes, but also no, it is a proposal which ofcourse conforms with my ideals, if it would not, i wouldnt have created it. Its a proposal for more democracy, true democracy.
Go back to what I said about being a little kid on the playground.
_Myopia_
02-01-2005, 15:32
The majority often turns out to be nastily conservative, you know. What's to say that once you give absolute power to the people, they won't go about doing things you seriously disagree with?
The Black New World
02-01-2005, 16:46
This does not have our support.
Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States
What you... seem... to be advocating is Absolute Democracy. Also known as Tyranny of the Majority. It won't work, not the way you want it to. Any minority pretty much just disappears.
And this comes from someone usually called a Socialist, who believes whole-heartedly in non-party democracy. If you can't convince people like me, you won't get near the actual capitalists.
BELIEVING that all power should be handed to the people
the Constitutional Republic of Tekania, has that; it's called being a Constitutional Republic.
BELIEVING that private companies should be governed by its workers
Can you not read what you write? Private companies are just that private... Private Companies are governed by the people who own them. That is why they are private.
ENSURING that a company cannot extort its employees
The only way to stop companies from being able to extort, is through Free-Market economics.
ENSURING that capitalism will, in the end, be replaced by true worker's democracy
You're confusing forms, economics vs. governmental... Capitalism is not a governmental form, it is economic... Democracy is governmental. A truely free society will be a free-market capitalistic economy combined with a libertine Republic... Any other form is less free. And therefore more oppressive.
VOWING that we, the socialist/progressive/anti-globalist nations on earth, will never yield to the capitalist & imperialist threat!
And we, that is, the Libertine Republics will not bow to the oppression of our people by Tyranical Socialist Imperial regimes bent on universal domination.
Anarchy? What anarchy, i say, will of the majority!
He was talking about anarchial governments, which exist all over the place here on NationStates.
A company should be governed by its workers because:
-they work there
And why does "Working there" entitle them to government of the Corporation?
-they know how to do stuff (certain people know more about certain things ofcourse)
Lots of people know how to do stuff.... That does not neccessarily entitle them to doing things. And unlike in your lie of a system, Free-Market economics allows any worker to make his own company.
-their decisions affect them
Well, duh... But they are WORKERS... IE they WORK THERE, they do not own the company.
As such, though. For this to occur, theft would have to be legalized. Since you would be stealing the company from the rightful owners, and handing it to the people who are employed their. And why are the corporate owners not compensated for their loss? You do know that these people invest into the creation of this company, right? That they employ all the neccessary work to get these things off the ground, right? A "worker" merely fishes out an application that someone accepts, and gets hired and payed by the people who slammed all this cash on the table to make the place they are working at.
As such, we, the People of the Constitutional Republic of Tekania, consider this proposal rank idiocy.
Progressives who are capitalists obviously still believe they can moderate capitalism, this is a mistake, however, if they would happen to agree with this proposal, they should vote for it.
I don't believe there is any "moderation of capitalism". That's the concept of "Free-Market".... it's by the removal of Free-Market economics, and by Capitalistic regulationism, and Kensyan economics that everything is screwed up, and the people become pupets of the government party politics.