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I don't need help, anymore.

and because I don't want to open new thread I put here the proposal and wait to your comments:
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Culture for Everyone
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Green israel

Description: Beliving that culture his one of the most important thing the humanity creates.
Fully aware that culture is one of the thing that define "nation".
Convinced that every man or woman had the right to get access for culture, without connection to his salary or his home's location.
Welcoming the growing number ways to get culture in lower price.

The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel" and the UN:
1- request from all the UN member to set maximum price to all the cultural products.
2- Further requests that every cultural show will move to the poorest areas of the nations for 10% of his shows and low his prices drastically for those shows.
3- accept the fact that every nation could set her prices, whereas they low them in more than 15% of the starting price.
4- Notes that stealing cultural products or sneaking without pay to the cultural shows will remained crime, and the governments could choose the punishment by themselves.
Definitions:
1)"cultural products"- every product that contain Movies, Songs and PC or Console Games, or the Movies, Songs
and PC or Console Games themselves.
2)"cultural shows"- every performance, screening of film, or musical show.
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If you are regional delegates who agree with the proposal, pleas endorese It.
If you aren't regional delegate who agree with It, please help me with the compaign.
If you aren't agree, please tell me why.

accidently I send the same proposal twice a row. maybe anyone could delete the first one?
this proposal named "Culture for Everybody and now It's in Page 13 on the proposal List.

and because I don't want to open new thread I put here the proposal and wait to your comments:
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Culture for Everyone
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Green israel

Description: Beliving that culture his one of the most important thing the humanity creates.
Fully aware that culture is one of the thing that define "nation".
Convinced that every man or woman had the right to get access for culture, without connection to his salary or his home's location.
Welcoming the growing number ways to get culture in lower price.

The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel" and the UN:
1- request from all the UN member to set maximum price to all the cultural products.
2- Further requests that every cultural show will move to the poorest areas of the nations for 10% of his shows and low his prices drastically for those shows.
3- accept the fact that every nation could set her prices, whereas they low them in more than 15% of the starting price.
4- Notes that stealing cultural products or sneaking without pay to the cultural shows will remained crime, and the governments could choose the punishment by themselves.
Definitions:
1)"cultural products"- every product that contain Movies, Songs and PC or Console Games, or the Movies, Songs
and PC or Console Games themselves.
2)"cultural shows"- every performance, screening of film, or musical show.
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If you are regional delegates who agree with the proposal, pleas endorese It.
If you aren't regional delegate who agree with It, please help me with the compaign.
If you aren't agree, please tell me why.


You could use a spell check friend :)

You could use a spell check friend :)
I use "microsoft word" spell check, because I don't know other.
I know I make many mistakes, but maybe you could tell me what mistakes you have seen, and how bad or undersoodable it is.
and if you can, give me some comments about the idea of the proposal.

To ask moderators to delete a proposal, use the Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/96981/page=help).

To ask moderators to delete a proposal, use the Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/96981/page=help).
as I said that already happened, but now I delete the part of "help" from my thread.

please, maybe someone give some comments, ideas or responses for my proposal? I just know whatever it good or not, and if I could make any neccessery changes in the future.

I think you should go for a more straightforward approach, simply encouraging efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations. Setting percentages is too much micromanagement.

I think you should go for a more straightforward approach, simply encouraging efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations. Setting percentages is too much micromanagement.
first, how I rewrite the part of the actions?
drop the part of the percents, and write it more universal?
seem good, maybe I do it.
second, I want to ensure that support artists who help to the poors to access to their shows, aren't mean change the category. but this part could be good, too.

I think there is great chances for your comments to take part in my new proposal, when this on fall.

Well, I'm not completely sure what you are trying to do with your proposal.

It seems as if you are trying to "spread culture" around to everyone.

And to do that, you are setting price limits (I assume to make it more accesible to the poor) and also mandating that shows go to certain areas.

Personally, to me, that violates the free trade of capitalist countries.

Secondly, I don't know how succesful it is, to make villagers of some poor region come in, and say, "Okay, sit down and watch that. You see those dancers on stage. That's your 'culture'."

Culture must to developed, not presented or labeled. I think something more effective would be protecting "historical" or "cultural" sites from being destroyed in favor of newer buildings and things. However, I don't particularly see a problem with the way culture is now.

Well, I'm not completely sure what you are trying to do with your proposal.

It seems as if you are trying to "spread culture" around to everyone.

And to do that, you are setting price limits (I assume to make it more accesible to the poor) and also mandating that shows go to certain areas.

Personally, to me, that violates the free trade of capitalist countries.

Secondly, I don't know how succesful it is, to make villagers of some poor region come in, and say, "Okay, sit down and watch that. You see those dancers on stage. That's your 'culture'."

Culture must to developed, not presented or labeled. I think something more effective would be protecting "historical" or "cultural" sites from being destroyed in favor of newer buildings and things. However, I don't particularly see a problem with the way culture is now.
sure, it violates the free trade of the capitalists. tht why this is "social justice".
second, I don't ruin colture. I just gave the poors option to get colture. colture is not only for riches, the proposal will let everyone see colture in fair price, and not $100 tickets that make the riches be the only one who get colture.

But see, why do you think that the only "good culture" is in the big cities where only the rich can enjoy? What is wrong with a free or cheap village festival, where people can cook or dance or do whatever... You don't need big stages, fancy lights, and big-name performers for an event to be "cultural."

(Or maybe, I'm defining the word "cultural" in a different way than you meant?)

I think that culture is all things your indevidual nation has made uniqe. It is your own and nat another nation has it the same way-nations may be have the same things but not your "style".
The people in a nation that live in the countryside keep the culture alive and the city people are more "today" or more with "american culture" as they say. The only people that should pay to see the culture of the nation they are in are turists (hotel shows etc.) and this will bring in a nice money flow. National and private Art and History Museums should have a low ticket price for all to enjoy.

first, how I rewrite the part of the actions?
drop the part of the percents, and write it more universal?
seem good, maybe I do it.
second, I want to ensure that support artists who help to the poors to access to their shows, aren't mean change the category. but this part could be good, too.

I think there is great chances for your comments to take part in my new proposal, when this on fall.

Just say something like:

"Strongly encourages all efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations, including:
a) avoiding setting prohibitively or unreasonably high prices for said products and events,
b) having touring cultural events visit a wider range of venues so as to make them accessible to more citizens, and
c) possible provision of financial help to cultural event organisers and product vendors following the guidelines of sections a and b."

That way, it's not mandated whether this is a private decision by the vendors/performers or part of government schemes, and nothing that would be unreasonable in specific circumstances is forced, but there's still international pressure to do these things.

Why not just do away with all independent nations? We could all play the game, and submit to Green Israel for all governmental decisions.

heh. "left-leaning college state" describes green israel perfectly. although i think the name should include "totalitarian" in there somewhere.

Why not just do away with all independent nations? We could all play the game, and submit to Green Israel for all governmental decisions.

heh. "left-leaning college state" describes green israel perfectly. although i think the name should include "totalitarian" in there somewhere.
this is the UN. every proposal limit the independence of the states.
and there is no totalitarism in that proposal.

Just say something like:

"Strongly encourages all efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations, including:
a) avoiding setting prohibitively or unreasonably high prices for said products and events,
b) having touring cultural events visit a wider range of venues so as to make them accessible to more citizens, and
c) possible provision of financial help to cultural event organisers and product vendors following the guidelines of sections a and b."

That way, it's not mandated whether this is a private decision by the vendors/performers or part of government schemes, and nothing that would be unreasonable in specific circumstances is forced, but there's still international pressure to do these things.
I like it. here is my new proposal:
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Believing that culture his one of the most important thing the humanity creates.
Fully aware that culture is one of the thing that define nation.
Convinced that every man or woman had the right to get access for culture, without connection to his salary or his home's location.
Welcoming the growing number ways to get culture in lower price.

The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel" and the UN:
1- Strongly encourages all efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations, including:
a) avoiding setting prohibitively or unreasonably high prices for said products and events,
b) having touring cultural events visit a wider range of venues so as to make them accessible to more citizens, and
c) possible provision of financial help to cultural event organizers and product vendors following the guidelines of sections a and b.
2- Notes that stealing cultural products or sneaking without pay to the cultural shows will remained crime, and the governments could choose the punishment by themselves.
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good enough, or I need more changes?

But see, why do you think that the only "good culture" is in the big cities where only the rich can enjoy? What is wrong with a free or cheap village festival, where people can cook or dance or do whatever... You don't need big stages, fancy lights, and big-name performers for an event to be "cultural."

(Or maybe, I'm defining the word "cultural" in a different way than you meant?)
as I see it, my proposal wasn't harm the village colture and wasn't define bad or good cultures.
my proposal is for the ones who want to see the "universal culture" or the "national culture", but can't pay the price and/or went to the show location.
if the villagers will want they stay in the festivals they had. I just add to them more cultural options.

I'll just do a grammar/style check:

Believing that culture is one of the most important things that humanity creates,
Fully aware that culture is one of the thing that defines nations,
Convinced that every man or woman should have access to culture, without unreasonable financial or geographic barriers,
Welcoming the growing number of ways to access culture at lower prices,

The citizens of "The Welfare state of Green Israel" and the UN:
1- Strongly encourage all efforts to make cultural products and events financially and geographically accessible to all citizens of UN member nations, including:
a) avoiding setting prohibitively or unreasonably high prices for said products and events,
b) having touring cultural events visit a wider range of venues so as to make them accessible to more citizens, and
c) possible provision of financial help to cultural event organizers and product vendors following the guidelines of sections a and b;
2- Note that stealing cultural products or avoiding entrance fees to cultural shows will remain crimes, to be punished as national governments see fit.


I think you need to offer some kind of definition of cultural products and events.

I think you need to offer some kind of definition of cultural products and events.
I know, but I can't find the way that include the local culture and the universal or national culture.
if I had part who ask every state to set definitions, would it be good idea?

No, I don't think that's a great solution. It would be better to leave it as it is, I think. Since it's encouraging following a general principle, I suppose you can get away with being more vague.

No, I don't think that's a great solution. It would be better to leave it as it is, I think. Since it's encouraging following a general principle, I suppose you can get away with being more vague.
right, so thanks. I think I mark you in my proposal, since you totaly rewrite it, if that is OK with you.

Sure thanks glad to help

Sure thanks glad to help
feel free to had more comments or good ways to make a compaign. I always could use your help.