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I understand that a lot of people wants prostitutes and wants them to be legal, but there are several factors not taken into consideration.

It's on page 18 of the proposal page, but i'll save you the trouble.

Argument: Attempts at the legalization of prostitution are faulty.

REASONS:
1)Boost in organized crime
2)Lack in police efficiency
3)Medical outbreak of STDs (opposing attempts at stopping HIV, AIDS, and other STDs)

The most immediate result of legalizing "the trade" was that all forms of prostitution boomed, with the unregulated prostitution business increasing faster than the legal prostitution activities. Municipal councils immediately complained that prostitution was out of control. Organized crime enjoyed a field day. With business becoming so good, shootings and deaths quickly followed with gangs fighting for control of this lucrative sex trade. Moreover, because prostitution itself was legal, police made few checks on brothels, with the result that they quickly became ideal locations for drug connections. Posing as clients, the drug dealers thrived, completely assured of privacy for their transactions.


Proponents of the legalization of prostitution claim:

That the legalization will eliminate crime, encourage prostitutes to leave the streets and work in safe environments (brothels), stop the illicit drug trade, which is always closely allied to prostitution, and improve the health of prostitutes by way of regular medical checks-ups.

HOWEVER THEY ARE INCORRECT

After past attempts:

The most immediate result of legalizing "the trade" was that all forms of prostitution boomed, with the unregulated prostitution business increasing faster than the legal prostitution activities. Municipal councils immediately complained that prostitution was out of control. Organized crime enjoyed a field day. With business becoming so good, shootings and deaths quickly followed with gangs fighting for control of this lucrative sex trade.

Moreover, because prostitution itself was legal, police made few checks on brothels, with the result that they quickly became ideal locations for drug connections. Posing as clients, the drug dealers thrived, completely assured of privacy for their transactions.

MEDICALLY the legalization would cause:

An outburst of prostitution would produce an unsafe environment filled with STD's. Because of the boost in popularity, transactions would spread much faster.

Obviously, legalizing prostitution is no solution to the problem and, in fact, opens the door to even more serious problems.

Keep in mind, research went into this resolution. this includes past real world occasions such as with sweden and austria. I did my homework.

I understand that a lot of people wants prostitutes and wants them to be legal, but there are several factors not taken into consideration.

Check the thread history on this. We've already taken everything in this repeal and even a few items you haven't thought of into consideration.

It's on page 18 of the proposal page, but i'll save you the trouble.

Bonus points for me not having to yell at you for not posting it here.

Argument: Attempts at the legalization of prostitution are faulty.

No, just poorly done by governments too lazy to do their jobs or not stopping to think. DLE and several others don't have such problems.

REASONS:
1)Boost in organized crime
2)Lack in police efficiency

1) Try funding your police more.

2) If making something legal increases organized crime, then why did the crime syndicates who used to rely on booze for money fall apart after Prohibition was repealed in the US? I smell "government not doing its job,"

3)Medical outbreak of STDs (opposing attempts at stopping HIV, AIDS, and other STDs)

1) There are items out there designed to help in that area.

2) Health regulations exist as a possibility in nations for a reason. Try using them.

The most immediate result of legalizing "the trade" was that all forms of prostitution boomed, with the unregulated prostitution business increasing faster than the legal prostitution activities. Municipal councils immediately complained that prostitution was out of control. Organized crime enjoyed a field day. With business becoming so good, shootings and deaths quickly followed with gangs fighting for control of this lucrative sex trade. Moreover, because prostitution itself was legal, police made few checks on brothels, with the result that they quickly became ideal locations for drug connections. Posing as clients, the drug dealers thrived, completely assured of privacy for their transactions.

1) Require licenses to be prostitutes.

2) Give your police more funding. This is a result of government not doing its job, not something else.

3) Require regular checks of brothels to make sure they are operating legally.

4) Health regulations would cover drug use.

5) So far, all things that your nation needs to deal with and are only a problem in nations that don't bother adapting.

Proponents of the legalization of prostitution claim:

That the legalization will eliminate crime, encourage prostitutes to leave the streets and work in safe environments (brothels), stop the illicit drug trade, which is always closely allied to prostitution, and improve the health of prostitutes by way of regular medical checks-ups.

HOWEVER THEY ARE INCORRECT

They are correct. See above as to why. They assumed you would actually do those things.

After past attempts:

The most immediate result of legalizing "the trade" was that all forms of prostitution boomed, with the unregulated prostitution business increasing faster than the legal prostitution activities. Municipal councils immediately complained that prostitution was out of control. Organized crime enjoyed a field day. With business becoming so good, shootings and deaths quickly followed with gangs fighting for control of this lucrative sex trade.

Moreover, because prostitution itself was legal, police made few checks on brothels, with the result that they quickly became ideal locations for drug connections. Posing as clients, the drug dealers thrived, completely assured of privacy for their transactions.

Repeat of something I already dealt with. Stating it twice does not make it a fact. Look above.

MEDICALLY the legalization would cause:

An outburst of prostitution would produce an unsafe environment filled with STD's. Because of the boost in popularity, transactions would spread much faster.

Once again, try passing health regulations and using licenses. Also, do a bit of work into the areas of protective contraceptives and vaccines. You would be surprised how many of those problems will vanish with only a little bit of work on your end, both legistlative and scientific.

Some STDs you cannot vaccinate against, but you can still control their spread.

Obviously, legalizing prostitution is no solution to the problem and, in fact, opens the door to even more serious problems.

Only because your nation's government is not doing what it needs to in order to adapt to this.

It's already legal in all UN nations.

Here's a tissue for your nose.

Unliscenced prostitutes are imprisoned for working without a licence. Pimps, as they are also in violation of a UN Resolution (being classed as "slavers" if they work without a licence), are dropped into the ocean, which in the Antarctic ocean is invariably fatal. The addition of blood and chum to the water is merely icing for the sharks.

Vastiva has no organized crime, no street gangs. We execute both with fearsome regularity (well fed sharks in Vastiva). Considering omnipresent cameras, police snipers on duty 24/7, and that fleeing the scene of a crime is grounds to "shoot to kill" - crime is not a problem.

Drugs are also legal. They are also watched over by our equivalent of the FDA and handled through pharmaceutical "bars", handled much the way bars are handled in most countries. As the trade is subsidized, drugs are available cheaply for those over 18; a kilo of good marajuana is available for about the cost of a six-pack of good German beer. Dealing drugs without a licence is therefore not only unprofitable, it is another death sentence offense under the Treason Acts.

Needless to say, no one does this more then once - the benefits are not worth the cost.

Vastiva gives crime no ground to grow in, and places the penalty so high as to make it ridiculous to consider. We committed war on organized crime with FAEs, mortars, and artillery, and won hands down. We will not allow it back in by allowing something to be "black marketable", allowing crime a profit through the smuggling of the illegal.

In short - we understand crime, and we eradicate it.

We are also not responsible if other nations wish their people to suffer that particular problem.

Legalized Prostitution present no ill crime effects in the Republic. Even with a fairly small Police Budget (about 2% of the Budget).

Likely the cause of your crime is from other effects, or lacking areas of your national concern; like education.

Uh, how do you fund police and stuff? I dotn see any option to do that.

There are issues that come up that deal with that.
One has to do with installing cameras in all public areas, another talks about a police officer that caught a criminal using a bag of groceries. There are probably more but that's what I can think of of the top of my head.

The Black New World; prostitution = legal, crime = unknown.

You may be well researched but did you stop to ask in this world?

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

The person who wanted to repeal prostitution obviously wants to have less employment in the world.

The person who wanted to repeal prostitution obviously wants to have less employment in the world.

Less legal, taxable employment. ;)

The Black New World; prostitution = legal, crime = unknown.


*wow*... that is almost a grounded argument... I mean, if all countries were like yours, we wouldn't have to worry about prostitution related crime...

but wait... I don't want to be my country to be like yours... Even better, I am disgusted that you think your government is better merely because you legalize prostitution and do not have crime...

I don't think this should be a discussion which government is better, but a discussion about the resolution that is nothing else than vague... I would discourage the total striking of the reso, and encourage improvements to this reso...

And another thing, some governments do not have the option of increasing the funding for police forces, because that might result into protesting inhabitants on their side or other things some countries don't like to see happen in their territory...

so I think that if this reso could be a little more precise, it could only help out a lot of nations, I always thought that was one of the reasons we have a UN in the first place...

Actually I believe my good Lady Desdemona was saying that legalized prostitution does not have to lead to an increase in illegal activity using an example in NS.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

*wow*... that is almost a grounded argument... I mean, if all countries were like yours, we wouldn't have to worry about prostitution related crime...

but wait... I don't want to be my country to be like yours... Even better, I am disgusted that you think your government is better merely because you legalize prostitution and do not have crime...

I know my nation's government is better. After all, how many nations can claim having a dictator who actually gives a damn about the nation and the people and is out to see them become powers?

I don't think this should be a discussion which government is better, but a discussion about the resolution that is nothing else than vague... I would discourage the total striking of the reso, and encourage improvements to this reso...

The majority of the people who want to see it undone would immediately propose prostitution being banned as soon as the resolution was repealed.

And another thing, some governments do not have the option of increasing the funding for police forces, because that might result into protesting inhabitants on their side or other things some countries don't like to see happen in their territory...

And those problems affect the international community how?

so I think that if this reso could be a little more precise, it could only help out a lot of nations, I always thought that was one of the reasons we have a UN in the first place...

You can always make a proposal to make it more precise.

I know my nation's government is better. After all, how many nations can claim having a dictator who actually gives a damn about the nation and the people and is out to see them become powers?

who are you to judge about dictatorships as if they are bad? I don't think anyone has the right to claim their country is better without bearing in mind ALL the things a country does, and not just the involvement with the inhabitants of the country. Just because your country cares more about it's inhabitants doesn't make your country better...


The majority of the people who want to see it undone would immediately propose prostitution being banned as soon as the resolution was repealed.

Well since this reso passed in the first place it seems to me that more countries would vote against a ban of prostitution rather than voting in favour of it, and as you always like to put it: emotive argument with a lack of scientific proof to back it up, INVALID.

And those problems affect the international community how?

uhmm... I might be wrong, but the economical status of my allies is very important to my import/export business... furthermore, I think that huge protests in a considerable amount of nations is actually bad for international economy...

You can always make a proposal to make it more precise.

Wouldn't that result in scrapping the entire reso and building it up from scratch?

who are you to judge about dictatorships as if they are bad? I don't think anyone has the right to claim their country is better without bearing in mind ALL the things a country does, and not just the involvement with the inhabitants of the country. Just because your country cares more about it's inhabitants doesn't make your country better...

That was intended to come across as a joke.

Well since this reso passed in the first place it seems to me that more countries would vote against a ban of prostitution rather than voting in favour of it, and as you always like to put it: emotive argument with a lack of scientific proof to back it up, INVALID.

Actually, stop and read the repeal attempts. Then, check the arguing history of a majority of the supporting nations on this forum. It's based off of previous claims by certain delegates and a history of looking at what proposals they have supported and what proposals they have submitted. I admit it's not all of them, but that description I gave describes a core of the effort.

uhmm... I might be wrong, but the economical status of my allies is very important to my import/export business... furthermore, I think that huge protests in a considerable amount of nations is actually bad for international economy...

What considerable amount? So far, international trade has continued as it always had. If your nations get removed from their niches, someone else will replace them or the niches will be eliminated. In NS, we can lose nations that have been big players in the market and go on without them with ease.

Wouldn't that result in scrapping the entire reso and building it up from scratch?

Not required. Propose a resolution calling for regulations on it. Or one that defines terms. Both are valid options that have been used successfully before.

I think you're overlooking the many positive aspects of prostitution.

My friends and I have helped innumerable young women put themselves through school, helped them put food on their childrens' plates, and helped them in general improve their lives. And we did so while showing them a great time the whole while - partying until all hours, taking them on day cruises and rainforest excursions, etc. The girls got to experience life as the wealthy live it, and broadened their horizons considerably.

Another benefit to legal prostitution is thd substantial benefits to the tourism industry. The prostitutes in Rio de Janiero, for instance, are not just a major reason for visiting that lovely city; they serve as unofficial tour guides for their nicer customers, showing them the sights and giving them a better understanding of the culture and society. A case in point: I would never have learned to Samba this well if it hadn't been for the patient instruction of all those sweet girls in the strip clubs, brothels, and sex clubs.

Asshelmeti Ambassador to the UN YGSM will do everything in his power to (a) defeat any repeal of legalized prostitution, and (b) prevent the Asshelmeti Grand Vizier Jeez from finding out about the existence of this proposal, which would undoubtedly foment a destructive war between our peoples.

I beg you, cease this madness!

It must be illegal! What is going on in the U.N., it is not the U.N. place to talk about legalizing prostitution in member nations.

You don't need to make the existing legislation more specific. Nations that need regulation will implement it themselves, in whatever way is best suited to their particular situation.

It must be illegal! What is going on in the U.N., it is not the U.N. place to talk about legalizing prostitution in member nations.

It's the NSUN's place to pass whatever resolutions its members see fit. Its members have seen fit to pass a resolution legalising prostitution, therefore prostitution is legal (anyway, illegalising it is grossly illiberal, plus it's inherently illogical given the other laws in most countries - as another NSer put it, "F*cking is legal, selling is legal, selling f*cking should be legal.")

That is sad what you just said. Very sad.
So you would be ok with your sister, doughter, mother or grandchild being a hore?

That is sad what you just said. Very sad.
So you would be ok with your sister, doughter, mother or grandchild being a hore?
1. the word is spelled "whore", not "hore".

b) are you making a judgement call on my sister's lifestyle choices? how dare you! how does it diminish you if my sister enjoys that lifestyle?

Dear Lord.
First I do naot come from an english speaking country so I am not going to appoligize for how I spell english words. Nor do I care!
An second of all I was not making a judgement I was asking him if he would be ok with that.
You really must read the posts.
I feel sorry for you and your sister it is not a life being whore.

Dear Lord.
First I do naot come from an english speaking country so I am not going to appoligize for how I spell english words. Nor do I care!
An second of all I was not making a judgement I was asking him if he would be ok with that.
You really must read the posts.
I feel sorry for you and your sister it is not a life being whore.
I think she only does it for fun.
She has a day job, and her husband makes decent money.

You most certainly were making a judgement. Look in the mirror.

No sir I was not making a judgement it was QUESTION.
The freedom of a person is important. If she wants to do that its ok but takeing money for it is wrong in my oppinion.
No good man or women would pass this law.

No sir I was not making a judgement it was QUESTION.
The freedom of a person is important. If she wants to do that its ok but takeing money for it is wrong in my oppinion.
No good man or women would pass this law.
As I said, your judgement was intrinsic in your question.

No mother wants her son to grow up to be a thief, and no father wants his daughter to be a hooker.

But parents tend not to reject the presents from their successful children in either case.

Make your own judgement on what I said if you will or let it be.
I have said what I wanted to say asked what I wanted to ask.
I think it would only be fair to the author to stop now and be on good terms with this debate, he and all the others have worked hard on their acts and it is not fair to them to fill the thread with this. It can go on for along time.

Regards,
North Island

That is sad what you just said. Very sad.
So you would be ok with your sister, doughter, mother or grandchild being a hore?

Yep. Why not? $200,000 a year is a nice income, she has her own nest egg, excellent health care benefits, and her husband doesn't have to worry about her having an affair.

No sir I was not making a judgement it was QUESTION.
The freedom of a person is important. If she wants to do that its ok but takeing money for it is wrong in my oppinion.
No good man or women would pass this law.

You perform a service, you can expect pay for that service. This is why taxi drivers are paid, doctors are paid, psychologists are paid, pilots are paid, prostitutes are paid. They provide a service for which people pay.

As I said, your judgement was intrinsic in your question.

No mother wants her son to grow up to be a thief, and no father wants his daughter to be a hooker.

But parents tend not to reject the presents from their successful children in either case.

*cough* Thief will get you perma-imprisoned. Hooker gets you wealth legally. Where is the comparison?

Is prostetution legal in your country. I do know of three countrys in Europe that legalize this Spain, Greece and Holland but there are more in the world.
My country has never and will not legalize this - it's a permanent law.
Prostetution is a damn disgrace and black mark on the people and the countrys that allow it. Its very much like I am the only person here that will not allow this.
It is sick and perverted.

North Island, you know the country you created when you signed up on NS? That's more of the country we're concerned with.

You comment on every many of the things I say and you are more often against what I say.
I know you are right on this that I should keep to my own NS country, but I like my own country in RL that is and I use it to manage my NS country.
I just think that we should keep the NS U.N. as close to the RL U.N. and not have so many stupid acts.
It is like the U.N. is controling all things we the nations must do and that the congress, parliments, kings, queens and dictatores are just for show.
We have major say in what we pass as laws in our own country.
All nations that join the RL. U.N. give up a part of their own independance but in the NS U.N. it's like we give up the majorety of our independance.

The NSUN was not designed to be the RL UN. It was designed to be the system it is now. Take a good look at the passed resolutions, the statements in the FAQ, and the statements in the stickies. All of them are geared towards supporting the NSUN as it is.

As sad as it is to some, the system was set up with this in mind. But, there is a way of dealing with it and being in the UN at the same time. Some of us, myself included, use puppets for the UN and run our main nations as we wish. As long as you only have one nation that you control in the UN, you can have multiple nations. It's a bit of a hassle, but it allows you to run a nation as you see fit while at the same time having one in the UN so you can argue in the UN. That way, if things go your way and the UN comes more towards your point of view, you can pull the puppet out and stick the main nation in.

Is prostetution legal in your country. I do know of three countrys in Europe that legalize this Spain, Greece and Holland but there are more in the world.
My country has never and will not legalize this - it's a permanent law.
Prostetution is a damn disgrace and black mark on the people and the countrys that allow it. Its very much like I am the only person here that will not allow this.
It is sick and perverted.

Hate to mention this AGAIN but as you are a member of the UN, its legal in your country. The UN Gnomes change your laws regardless of what you do or want.

The only way to make prostitution illegal directly is to leave the UN.

Again I am just saying my view on this matter.
I may not agree with it but it is U.N. law and that is that.
I will not leave the U.N. beacause I can not have everything my way, the U.N. does many good things that I support.
I do think that prostitution is a disgrace and I think it is not a U.N. matter.
Lets get back to the topic.

Postitution will not go away, EVER.

It is a time honored tradition and necessary. Although I do not have research backing this statement up, I believe it reduces violent sex crimes, therefore of benefit to the public. It is the education in these modern times that is lacking. The sex workers need to be given the tools to protect themselves and career. Education on STDs, etc.

Some people would never be able to experience sex without prostitutes.

Postitution will not go away, EVER.

It is a time honored tradition and necessary. Although I do not have research backing this statement up, I believe it reduces violent sex crimes, therefore of benefit to the public. It is the education in these modern times that is lacking. The sex workers need to be given the tools to protect themselves and career. Education on STDs, etc.

Some people would never be able to experience sex without prostitutes.
ooh, Slender Goddess, you've got me all excited!
what are you wearing?


oh. uh, sorry. wrong place for that.



nevermind.

ooh, Slender Goddess, you've got me all excited!
what are you wearing?


oh. uh, sorry. wrong place for that.



nevermind.

I find your statement very amusing. Quite a leap - from me agreeing that it was ok to you wondering what I am wearing. I didn't say I was a prostitute, I don't like having sex enough to get a job at it.

But, now if you were to pay me to beat you . . . . . . . . . . . .

If people cant get sex the normal way they are very strange.
Education will not protect the "sex workers", the people that get this sex service are sick that can and will hurt them.
By saying "sex workers" your saying that woman are a product and that is wrong too.
Its not a tradition its a last resort or they are forced to do it agianst their will.
Sex crimes will rise!

I find your statement very amusing. Quite a leap - from me agreeing that it was ok to you wondering what I am wearing. I didn't say I was a prostitute, I don't like having sex enough to get a job at it.

But, now if you were to pay me to beat you . . . . . . . . . . . .
Let's find a private forum somewhere, shall we?

I'll meet you in the NSUN stranger's bar.

If people cant get sex the normal way they are very strange.
Education will not protect the "sex workers", the people that get this sex service are sick that can and will hurt them.
By saying "sex workers" your saying that woman are a product and that is wrong too.
Its not a tradition its a last resort or they are forced to do it agianst their will.
Sex crimes will rise!


You are making assumptions that all sex workers are women. NOT. IN case you hadn't notice men work the field, too.

Some are forced, now, but if it was legal everywhere, how could you be forced. There wouldn't be any threat. That would be like saying I could force you to work at McDonalds against your will.

People who hire prostitutes are not sick. Just different or really ugly or maybe deformed and just want a blow job and the wife won't.

Sorry, but people are commodities. Always have been, unless you are the human in charge.

Let's find a private forum somewhere, shall we?

I'll meet you in the NSUN stranger's bar.

I don't know how to get there.

If people cant get sex the normal way they are very strange.

Au contraire, mon ami. It is people like you who are strange. Or young - maybe you'll learn.

Education will not protect the "sex workers", the people that get this sex service are sick that can and will hurt them.

I have never hurt a prostitute in my life.
I don't know anyone who has ever hurt a prostitute.

By saying "sex workers" your saying that woman are a product and that is wrong too.

c.f. the women in your college getting "MRS" degrees.

Its not a tradition its a last resort or they are forced to do it agianst their will.
Sex crimes will rise!
Uh, they can only be forced to do it against their will if it's illegal.

That's why the NSUN legalized it.

I don't know how to get there.
It's a stickied post in the UN Forum.

I don't know how to get there.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=310853&goto=lastpost


p.s. and since we can't attach pics directly: http://www.tdcgaskets.com/_borders/bangdesk.gif

The way I see it, their can either be prostitution controlled by the government (darn my socialism :) ) or you can have underground uncontrolled prostitution. If we can license prostitutes, they can have reguired STD checks (and it couldn't hurt the economy). The oppostie happens if they are not legal and hence, not licensed. That's my nation's stand.

The way I see it, their can either be prostitution controlled by the government (darn my socialism :) ) or you can have underground uncontrolled prostitution. If we can license prostitutes, they can have reguired STD checks (and it couldn't hurt the economy). The oppostie happens if they are not legal and hence, not licensed. That's my nation's stand.
if you don't mind, we're trying to role play some hot bdsm sex over here.

ahem. oh, i guess she left for the stranger's bar already.

You are making assumptions that all sex workers are women. NOT. IN case you hadn't notice men work the field, too.

No. I am saying that most of the "sex workers" are women.

Slender Goddess-"Some are forced, now, but if it was legal everywhere, how could you be forced. There wouldn't be any threat. That would be like saying I could force you to work at McDonalds against your will."

You can still force a person to do something that is legal-free will can be broken. Ok lets say you had my family and said to me your going to kill them if I dont work at McDonalds, do you really think I would not work there? Of course I would but I would be forced to do it.

Slender Goddess-"People who hire prostitutes are not sick. Just different or really ugly or maybe deformed and just want a blow job and the wife won't.
Sorry, but people are commodities. Always have been, unless you are the human in charge."

They are sick, very sick. People are not commodities they are all free to do what they want just if they do not brake the law

In The People's Republic of Fatastistan, prostitution is legal, as per the UN's decision, but not without limits. For example, we require all prostitutes to be licensed, and undergo mandatory monthly STD testing to remain legal. The pimps are also strictly watched, and we take any allegations of abuse very seriously. Prostitutes are not allowed to "advertise" their "services" in public places, so that those who disagree with prostitution do not have to come face-to-face with them every day. This is not that restrictive, as those who do wish to participate can simply find where to look via the internet.

We, as a nation, do not believe it is the government's place to legislate the morality of its people; those that believe that prostitution is wrong are free not to partake. Likewise, we feel that our citizens should be free to spend their money however they choose.

We think that, in this issue, a compromise should be reached, to try to appease both sides of the argument. In the interest of public safety, a resolution should be passed amending the legalization of prostitution resolution, requiring mandatory STD testing, licensing, and perhaps other restrictions similar to our own.

Au contraire, mon ami. It is people like you who are strange. Or young - maybe you'll learn.

I have never hurt a prostitute in my life.
I don't know anyone who has ever hurt a prostitute.

c.f. the women in your college getting "MRS" degrees.

Uh, they can only be forced to do it against their will if it's illegal.

That's why the NSUN legalized it.

How am I strange? and learn what?
Just because YOU have not hurt them does not mean that others have not! And what is wrong with you, how can you sleep with a woman who you paid for?
And yes here women do well and get fine degrees, sorry to hear that women in your country are simple.

The U.N. did not hear the bad facts.

Sorry man but you are wrong.

How am I strange? and learn what?
Just because YOU have not hurt them does not mean that others have not! And what is wrong with you, how can you sleep with a woman who you paid for?
And yes here women do well and get fine degrees, sorry to hear that women in your country are simple.

The U.N. did not hear the bad facts.

Sorry man but you are wrong.
see, the difference here is that I speak from actual experience, whereas you speak from untested preconceptions.

my wife and i slept just fine with those girls, and they slept just fine with us. Didn't complain about my snoring one bit.

You're viewing this as a much colder transaction than it actually is.
Where prostitution is legal, the girls are out looking for someone to have a good time with, but they say no to whomever they don't want. It's kind of like being at any pickup bar in america or europe, except the girl expects a cash present at the end, instead of breakfast and a fake phone number.

People who hire prostitutes are not sick. Just different or really ugly or maybe deformed and just want a blow job and the wife won't.

Or we just want to spend the evening with a beautiful woman where the seduction is probably going to work.

My wife and I could just go to swinger's clubs, I suppose... but it's much funner going to a strip club, debating the virtues of the various women, and then seducing them.

see, the difference here is that I speak from actual experience, whereas you speak from untested preconceptions.

my wife and i slept just fine with those girls, and they slept just fine with us. Didn't complain about my snoring one bit.

You're viewing this as a much colder transaction than it actually is.
Where prostitution is legal, the girls are out looking for someone to have a good time with, but they say no to whomever they don't want. It's kind of like being at any pickup bar in america or europe, except the girl expects a cash present at the end, instead of breakfast and a fake phone number.

I will tell you what is going on here, I am getting a litle harsh in my posts and you panic. Thats ok, we are talking about this and we have different views.
You are probably a little boy or teenager that is trying to say something like you have "experience" or you are a very strange old man - you and your "wife" (I am not attacking you or your "wife", if you think that then I am sorry).
I say strange old man because it is strange that you AND your "wife" sleep with whores and also that you all really went to sleep with the whores (Is that like an untold 24 houre service or what?).
I have sadly been to a whore house but only in the company of my friends that had sex with them on a vacation and I saw and heard what it was like in that sad place.
I didnt like it all that well, whores coming up to you and stuff asking like, pay me for a blowjob and all that.
If you think that they are looking for a good time you are misstaken its the money okay.
I am probably old fashioned but like it just fine when its just me and my girlfriend.

Apparently you didn't go to the right whorehouse.

And yes, I was joking about sleeping and snoring - because of your euphemism of "sleeping" with hookers.

I too have been in the kind of place you're talking about, and said no to the women who just wanted to make it a cash transaction. But just because that exists doesn't mean that's all there is.

Asshelmetta-"Apparently you didn't go to the right whorehouse.

And yes, I was joking about sleeping and snoring - because of your euphemism of "sleeping" with hookers.

I too have been in the kind of place you're talking about, and said no to the women who just wanted to make it a cash transaction. But just because that exists doesn't mean that's all there is."

Hehe okay, I allways say sleeping together I dont know why, just sounds right I guess.
But what is the right whorehouse?

Again I am just saying my view on this matter.
I may not agree with it but it is U.N. law and that is that.
I will not leave the U.N. beacause I can not have everything my way, the U.N. does many good things that I support.
I do think that prostitution is a disgrace and I think it is not a U.N. matter.
Lets get back to the topic.

You stated: "My country will never legalize this!"

Rebuttal: "The UN Gnomes do it for you, you don't have a choice. Prostitution is legal in North Island."

That is the topic - you can't legislate against prostitution, you can only repeal the resolution. Until then, you have legalized prostitution.

We would, of course, suggest you legislate protective measures, such as licensing, measures to collect taxes, manditory health checks and lists of customers for health purposes. But that is our way of doing things.

No. I am saying that most of the "sex workers" are women.

Slender Goddess-"Some are forced, now, but if it was legal everywhere, how could you be forced. There wouldn't be any threat. That would be like saying I could force you to work at McDonalds against your will."

You can still force a person to do something that is legal-free will can be broken. Ok lets say you had my family and said to me your going to kill them if I dont work at McDonalds, do you really think I would not work there? Of course I would but I would be forced to do it.

People who make threats such as that are in violation of the End Slavery resolution. We toss them to the sharks. It works.



Slender Goddess-"People who hire prostitutes are not sick. Just different or really ugly or maybe deformed and just want a blow job and the wife won't.
Sorry, but people are commodities. Always have been, unless you are the human in charge."

They are sick, very sick. People are not commodities they are all free to do what they want just if they do not brake the law

People are commodities. That's why it's "Human Resources".

Surveys state 60% of prostitutes work is just listening. Geisha tradition stuff, nothing fascinating. Then there is fulfilling "weird" fantasies, which for enough money they'll do. Safety and security, and simple sexuality and human estrus. We find nothing "strange" about this, or "sick". We do find repression to be "sick" and have never found an area in which repression is terribly useful, where both (or all) members are mature, consenting adults.

I will tell you what is going on here, I am getting a litle harsh in my posts and you panic. Thats ok, we are talking about this and we have different views.
You are probably a little boy or teenager that is trying to say something like you have "experience" or you are a very strange old man - you and your "wife" (I am not attacking you or your "wife", if you think that then I am sorry).
I say strange old man because it is strange that you AND your "wife" sleep with whores and also that you all really went to sleep with the whores (Is that like an untold 24 houre service or what?).
I have sadly been to a whore house but only in the company of my friends that had sex with them on a vacation and I saw and heard what it was like in that sad place.
I didnt like it all that well, whores coming up to you and stuff asking like, pay me for a blowjob and all that.
If you think that they are looking for a good time you are misstaken its the money okay.
I am probably old fashioned but like it just fine when its just me and my girlfriend.

Uhm, DUH. It's a service. What did you expect it to be? It IS all about the money, just like any other job.

We think that, in this issue, a compromise should be reached, to try to appease both sides of the argument. In the interest of public safety, a resolution should be passed amending the legalization of prostitution resolution, requiring mandatory STD testing, licensing, and perhaps other restrictions similar to our own.

This is unnecessary, like I said. Each member nation can implement the regulations that best suit their situation on their own. It's slightly absurd to assume that one set of standardised regulations will be suitable for all the thousands of diverse UN nations.

If you were to make prostitiotion illegal, you would have to enforce it's illegality (I'm hoping that's a word :)) and hence be in violation of UN resolution number 7 Sexual Freedom which states that:

"What goes on between two (or more) consenting adults in the privacy of their homes should not be the concern of the state unless it is neccesary to enquire about the afore mentioned activities for medical reasons (e.g. if the individuals wish to give blood etc.)."

So good luck repealing two resolutions (and just so you know #7 passed with a 1:8 ratio).

You stated: "My country will never legalize this!"

Rebuttal: "The UN Gnomes do it for you, you don't have a choice. Prostitution is legal in North Island."

That is the topic - you can't legislate against prostitution, you can only repeal the resolution. Until then, you have legalized prostitution.

We would, of course, suggest you legislate protective measures, such as licensing, measures to collect taxes, manditory health checks and lists of customers for health purposes. But that is our way of doing things.

My real life country will never legalize it! It is a permanent law! READ the posts.
I know I do not have a choice.
And yes prostitution is legal in North Island and it sickens me.

Uhm, DUH. It's a service. What did you expect it to be? It IS all about the money, just like any other job.

I KNOW IT IS A SERVICE AND IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY - thats what I said Asshelmetta is the one that did not agree READ THE POSTS.

People who make threats such as that are in violation of the End Slavery resolution. We toss them to the sharks. It works.

People are commodities. That's why it's "Human Resources".

Surveys state 60% of prostitutes work is just listening. Geisha tradition stuff, nothing fascinating. Then there is fulfilling "weird" fantasies, which for enough money they'll do. Safety and security, and simple sexuality and human estrus. We find nothing "strange" about this, or "sick". We do find repression to be "sick" and have never found an area in which repression is terribly useful, where both (or all) members are mature, consenting adults.

Yes they are but you can still do it thus saying what I was saying. Law does not prevent it.
Thanks for the info.
If you are all think it is such a well done job and does the government well why are you fireing the big guns? Is it because prostetution isnt all that good as you say it is?

My real life country will never legalize it! It is a permanent law! READ the posts.
I know I do not have a choice.
And yes prostitution is legal in North Island and it sickens me.

Please leave discussions of real life countries out of this, or label them as such. It confuses the discussion.

Yes they are but you can still do it thus saying what I was saying. Law does not prevent it.
Thanks for the info.
If you are all think it is such a well done job and does the government well why are you fireing the big guns? Is it because prostetution isnt all that good as you say it is?

We do not like the idea of losing all that lovely tax money. $200,000 average, times 40,000 licensed sex workers, times 38% = 3.04 billion in income taxes alone. We are very happy with this.

We do not like the idea of losing all that lovely tax money. $200,000 average, times 40,000 licensed sex workers, times 38% = 3.04 billion in income taxes alone. We are very happy with this.

Greed is not a virtue.
Many more ways to get that money and evan get more.

Please leave discussions of real life countries out of this, or label them as such. It confuses the discussion.

Again READ the posts, I did say my own RL country is what I use to govern my own NS country.

I KNOW IT IS A SERVICE AND IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY - thats what I said Asshelmetta is the one that did not agree READ THE POSTS.
Ever wait tables?
Ever do any consumer retail?

The CUSTOMER chooses where to spend his money. Try to remember that.

Greed is not a virtue.
Many more ways to get that money and evan get more.

Suggest a few, and we will incorporate those as well as we see fit.

F*cking is legal, selling is legal, we see no problem with making selling f*cking legal.

As to your charge of greed - a government needs an income to do anything significant. We have a larger income for this. We're happy, our people are happy. :fluffle:

Ever wait tables?
Ever do any consumer retail?

The CUSTOMER chooses where to spend his money. Try to remember that.

NO.
YES.
Yes I know the customer chooses where to spend his money. But that is not the point of the topic.
Prostitution is sick and a stain on all nations. Whores are for worthless bumbs.

Suggest a few, and we will incorporate those as well as we see fit.

F*cking is legal, selling is legal, we see no problem with making selling f*cking legal.

As to your charge of greed - a government needs an income to do anything significant. We have a larger income for this. We're happy, our people are happy. :fluffle:

eg.
Raise taxes.
Own more government companys.
Raise customs charges.
Explore natural 'resorses' and how to use them.

Not all "f*ucking" is legal and not all selling is legal.

Its not a charge, I was saying that greed is not a virtue.

Yes, governments need an income to do anything significant or anything for that matter. That is why we have taxes and we raise them and lower them depending on the need of the country. That is why governments invest stock and own companys. They also charge a customs charge on products entering the country. Whores will not bring in that incom and money they bring in is insignificant. Its lake your saying that it is a government job.

NO.
YES.
Yes I know the customer chooses where to spend his money. But that is not the point of the topic.
Prostitution is sick and a stain on all nations. Whores are for worthless bumbs.

As our Sultan maintains a harem, we shall consider that remark an insult to our national honor.

[quote=Vastiva]Originally Posted by Vastiva
Suggest a few, and we will incorporate those as well as we see fit.

F*cking is legal, selling is legal, we see no problem with making selling f*cking legal.

As to your charge of greed - a government needs an income to do anything significant. We have a larger income for this. We're happy, our people are happy. :fluffle:


eg.
Raise taxes.

This hurts morale and the spending ability of the average citizen. No.



Own more government companys.

Our Sultan owns 50.1% of everything, so this does not apply.



Raise customs charges.

That would debilitate trade.



Explore natural 'resorses' and how to use them.

See our signature. We have many resources and are exploiting them.



Not all "f*ucking" is legal and not all selling is legal.

True. So?



Its not a charge, I was saying that greed is not a virtue.

Yes, governments need an income to do anything significant or anything for that matter. That is why we have taxes and we raise them and lower them depending on the need of the country. That is why governments invest stock and own companys. They also charge a customs charge on products entering the country. Whores will not bring in that incom and money they bring in is insignificant. Its lake your saying that it is a government job.

Three billion a year is not "insignificant", and we are not going to disclose the amounts of additional tax income generated by these 40,000 workers, though we will say it is well into significant figures. So our "whores" do bring in substantial income, and they provide significant funding to the government. As such, your arguements hold no water.

Finally, all legal employments are ultimately "government jobs" if you consider that the job itself provides money for the government in the form of taxes. If you are implying our government directly employs all prostitutes, you are mistaken.

Flagrant Offences
1. Radical changes to Game Mechanics - including but not limited to the following: setting up parallel UNs, Security Councils etc; allowing individual nations to decide whether or not to abide by resolutions.
2. Racist or otherwise "bigoted" proposals - including but not limited to the following: advocating the killing of any minority groups or deportation of same to other locales.
3. Other highly offensive proposals - to be decided upon on a case-by-case basis.

Minor Offences
1. Minor game mechanics changes - where not covered above.
2. Incorrect categorisation of proposal.
3. Proposal not worthy of UN's consideration.
4. Real-world-based proposal.
5. Pathetic joke proposals - including but not limited to "against dihydrogen oxide" and "the right to arm bears".
6. Duplicate/Copied Proposals.
7. Amendment proposals.
8. Proposals that mandate or prohibit roleplay activities on any discussion forum (including, but not limited to, the NationStates forums).

Prostitution Act In breach of U.N. Major Offences.
Nr. 2. Bigoted-Sex workers-Whores-Prostitutes lowering of womens standards.
Not one mention in Prostitution Act that even suggests that this is also intended for male workers thus a clear breach and is intended to say that women are not good enough workers unless they are prostitutes.
Attacking womens integrety and status.

Prostitution Act in breach of U.N. Minor Offences.
Nr.3. Not worthy of U.N.'s consideration.
Nr.2. Incorrect categorisation of proposal.

Prostitution Act In breach of U.N. Major Offences.
Nr. 2. Bigoted-Sex workers-Whores-Prostitutes lowering of womens standards.
Not one mention in Prostitution Act that even suggests that this is also intended for male workers thus a clear breach and is intended to say that women are not good enough workers unless they are prostitutes.
Attacking womens integrety and status.

Not one piece of wording in it suggests men cannot be prostitutes. About like how the various resolutions granting free speech don't bother to define what language. I see no violation of this and the mods would have removed it if it was.

Prostitution Act in breach of U.N. Minor Offences.
Nr.3. Not worthy of U.N.'s consideration.

The UN thought otherwise, so arguement denied.

Nr.2. Incorrect categorisation of proposal.

How? It was intended to solve a human rights problem. The results we have gotten are side-effects of the chosen method.

Not one piece of wording in it suggests men cannot be prostitutes. About like how the various resolutions granting free speech don't bother to define what language. I see no violation of this and the mods would have removed it if it was.



The UN thought otherwise, so arguement denied.



How? It was intended to solve a human rights problem. The results we have gotten are side-effects of the chosen method.

But not one word says that they can. It is more often , when talking about prostitutes, thought of women. Male workers are called male gigalos not prostitutes, whores or sex workers.

What are the ages of the U.N. chiefs? 12-15 and think its cool or what?

How can this solve human rights?

But not one word says that they can. It is more often , when talking about prostitutes, thought of women. Male workers are called male gigalos not prostitutes, whores or sex workers.

That depends. Some people use the word "prostitute" for both sexes, while some use it for one. DLE uses it for both.

What are the ages of the U.N. chiefs? 12-15 and think its cool or what?

What relevance is that, really? Does it really matter how old they are?

How can this solve human rights?

Prostitution can be a very high paying business for all of the skill it requires.

That depends. Some people use the word "prostitute" for both sexes, while some use it for one. DLE uses it for both.



What relevance is that, really? Does it really matter how old they are?



Prostitution can be a very high paying business for all of the skill it requires.

Ahh, it depends. well okay I see know it will allways be your way.
And why is their not a list or something on the forum that explains how you categorize everything and what words mean what?

We cant have litle kids running the U.N. the president of the U.S.A. must at least be 35 years old eg.

Money is the key in this U.N. not the good of the world.

Ahh, it depends. well okay I see know it will allways be your way.

Comes with the territory. Part of their vagueness is you can interpret as you need.

And why is their not a list or something on the forum that explains how you categorize everything and what words mean what?

Not as much fun. Besides, I try to be consistant.

We cant have litle kids running the U.N. the president of the U.S.A. must at least be 35 years old eg.

I'll let someone else handle this one. A reply is not comming to mind right now.

Money is the key in this U.N. not the good of the world.

If that's your interpretation.

Prostitution Act In breach of U.N. Major Offences.
Nr. 2. Bigoted-Sex workers-Whores-Prostitutes lowering of womens standards.
Not one mention in Prostitution Act that even suggests that this is also intended for male workers thus a clear breach and is intended to say that women are not good enough workers unless they are prostitutes.
Attacking womens integrety and status.

Prostitution Act in breach of U.N. Minor Offences.
Nr.3. Not worthy of U.N.'s consideration.
Nr.2. Incorrect categorisation of proposal.

Nice try. Been tried before, was shot down then, is shot down now.

We cant have litle kids running the U.N. the president of the U.S.A. must at least be 35 years old eg.
And again you're confusing real life with NationStates. And what does this have to do with prostitution.

And again you're confusing real life with NationStates. And what does this have to do with prostitution.

No, AGAIN READ THE POST. I was just saying that we cant have litle nerds governing the NS. U.N. My eg. of the american president age law was just to let you open your minds. We need responsible people as chiefs of the NS. U.N. At no time did I say RL.
And it has nothing to do with prostitution, I did not say that. READ!

Nice try. Been tried before, was shot down then, is shot down now.

hehe okay, worth a try.

NO.
YES.
Yes I know the customer chooses where to spend his money. But that is not the point of the topic.
Prostitution is sick and a stain on all nations. Whores are for worthless bumbs.
You're getting much better at this whole drunken posting thing.

No, AGAIN READ THE POST. I was just saying that we cant have litle nerds governing the NS. U.N. My eg. of the american president age law was just to let you open your minds. We need responsible people as chiefs of the NS. U.N. At no time did I say RL.
And it has nothing to do with prostitution, I did not say that. READ!

*the Caliph straightens his burnoose*
And how old are you, sir? Considering you have brought our nations to near war because you insult our national heritage and honor, I would not think that old.

You're getting much better at this whole drunken posting thing.

What drunken posting thing?

*the Caliph straightens his burnoose*
And how old are you, sir? Considering you have brought our nations to near war because you insult our national heritage and honor, I would not think that old.

You are a warmongering nation.
You are probably a kid seeing that you would take your nation to war over an "insult" that I did not make.
You must learn to take criticism.
What does it matter how old I am?

P.S.
This is not a threat but you really should check what alliances a nation you plan to attack is in before you say something like that.

P.S.
This is not a threat but you really should check what alliances a nation you plan to attack is in before you say something like that.

And you should check the technology levels of the people you are talking to before bringing up your allliances.

*the Caliph straightens his burnoose*
And how old are you, sir? Considering you have brought our nations to near war because you insult our national heritage and honor, I would not think that old.

You are a warmongering nation.
You are probably a kid seeing that you would take your nation to war over an "insult" that I did not make.
You must learn to take criticism.
What does it matter how old I am?

P.S.
This is not a threat but you really should check what alliances a nation you plan to attack is in before you say something like that.

*shakes head wearilly*

I am too old to play schoolyard games with the likes of you. Begone from my sight - Vastiva shall henceforth conduct itself as if you never existed.

And you should check the technology levels of the people you are talking to before bringing up your allliances.

Ye Ye Ye Okay , whatever.
This is just plain stupid, your status demands that behave in a good manner and ba an example to others. Just like the officers in the military.
It really makes you look naive when you say something like that.
I was not making a threat and then you come with that funny and sad line.

*shakes head wearilly*

I am too old to play schoolyard games with the likes of you. Begone from my sight - Vastiva shall henceforth conduct itself as if you never existed.

Sorry kid, but you are the one started this "schoolyard game" with that very funny reply. You are really into this roleplay thing aren't you.

No, AGAIN READ THE POST. I was just saying that we cant have litle nerds governing the NS. U.N. My eg. of the american president age law was just to let you open your minds. We need responsible people as chiefs of the NS. U.N. At no time did I say RL.
And it has nothing to do with prostitution, I did not say that. READ!
You know, I actually support repealing this resolution, so you might want to be a little nicer to me.

Ye Ye Ye Okay , whatever.
This is just plain stupid, your status demands that behave in a good manner and ba an example to others. Just like the officers in the military.

My status demands what I am willing to do with it, no more and no less. Besides, I had a point with this one.

It really makes you look naive when you say something like that.
I was not making a threat and then you come with that funny and sad line.

It was about as relevant to his threat to attack you as your mentioning alliances. Guess what? The majority of us here are in alliances. Bringing it up in response to someone threatening to invade you really has no bearing on whether or not they're going to attack you unless you're such of a weak nation you can only survive because of your allies. The comment about technology level has equal bearing and, in the end, doesn't stop you from being equally dead if you were invaded.

You know, I actually support repealing this resolution, so you might want to be a little nicer to me.

Sorry about that.

My status demands what I am willing to do with it, no more and no less. Besides, I had a point with this one.

Yo know that is called abusing your position.

It was about as relevant to his threat to attack you as your mentioning alliances. Guess what? The majority of us here are in alliances. Bringing it up in response to someone threatening to invade you really has no bearing on whether or not they're going to attack you unless you're such of a weak nation you can only survive because of your allies. The comment about technology level has equal bearing and, in the end, doesn't stop you from being equally dead if you were invaded.

Now you are just angry and not thinking.
And I have a very strong military mind you, but I will not go to war over something this stupid. And I do not need my allies to stand with me on this one.
I have a few allies that have a good status as you do so lets just end this thing and be on good terms, you are going way overbourd.

DeamonLordEnigma are you from England in RL?

It is too bad someone who first insults another nation's honor and it's leader, then the character of its representative, is lacking the maturity to apologize, but then we have come to expect nothing of courtesy from the rabble.

As yet, we see no reason to repeal this measure, and many to keep it. It appears it shall remain this way.

It is too bad someone who first insults another nation's honor and it's leader, then the character of its representative, is lacking the maturity to apologize, but then we have come to expect nothing of courtesy from the rabble.

As yet, we see no reason to repeal this measure, and many to keep it. It appears it shall remain this way.

When did I insult your honor?
When did I insult your leader?
When did I insult your representative?
If you can't take criticism why are you in the U.N.?
I am most willing to apologize when I must but that is not in this case, you started this remember.

Grow up junior!

Yo know that is called abusing your position.

My position comes with few perks, few responsibilities, and a large list of requirements. Abusing it would be me telling you that because you're new you have no right to argue back in any form.

Now you are just angry and not thinking.

If I'm angry, I directly insult.

And I have a very strong military mind you, but I will not go to war over something this stupid. And I do not need my allies to stand with me on this one.
I have a few allies that have a good status as you do so lets just end this thing and be on good terms, you are going way overbourd.

I didn't say I was going to invade you, so all I am doing is giving a lecture about appropriate responses to someone else making the threat. That's not overboard.

DeamonLordEnigma are you from England in RL?

US. But part of my education includes using the English form of English.

wow. that was an epic self-implosion from North Island.

glad I tagged along to watch.

My position comes with few perks, few responsibilities, and a large list of requirements. Abusing it would be me telling you that because you're new you have no right to argue back in any form.

If I'm angry, I directly insult.

I didn't say I was going to invade you, so all I am doing is giving a lecture about appropriate responses to someone else making the threat. That's not overboard.

US. But part of my education includes using the English form of English.

You are wrong and you are abusing your position.

Here something new for you, YOU can be angry in many other ways without knowing it.

Nor did I say that you were going to invade me and your respose was not a lecture it was a threat and never did I post a threat to you or anyone else. And it is going overbourd on your behalf.

American you are but acting like a tyrant englishman is what you are doing.

You are wrong and you are abusing your position.

You have any proof of that?

Here something new for you, YOU can be angry in many other ways without knowing it.

There's a difference between anger, annoyance, and being in a neutral mood. I'm beginning to shift from a neutral mood to annoyance. And while the worthless psychology comment was entertaining, you require much more information on me to make a statement as to what I am feeling.

Nor did I say that you were going to invade me and your respose was not a lecture it was a threat and never did I post a threat to you or anyone else. And it is going overbourd on your behalf.

I'll quote what I said:

And you should check the technology levels of the people you are talking to before bringing up your allliances.

At the time, you were talking to Vastiva. I don't see where a threat is included in that.

American you are but acting like a tyrant englishman is what you are doing.

1) Stereotyping.
2) Not on subject.
3) Flamebait.
4) Not supported by evidence.

Oh, please don't ask the mods to ban him or anything!

It's too much fun watching his downward spiral.

You are wrong and you are abusing your position.
I'm confused. What position do you imagine that DemonLordEnigma holds in the UN?

Last time I looked, the Ambassador from DemonLordEnigma, while perhaps different in appearance from most of the human national representatives, held no special office here. While his non-human vocal apparatus does allow him (her? it?) to expound at greater length than those of us who are required to breathe occasionally, that does not confer position capable of abuse.

Your rant is amusing but irrational. It was funny for a while, but it has ceased to remain so. Perhaps it is time for you to find a different windmill to tilt against.

I am pleased to see that people think this is funny, I did find it funny too for litle time until the two ganged up on me with naive and cowardly posts.
Just to be clear I am not doing this for fun I am just doing this to defend my nation from the naive people that are here.
If you read the posts you will see how this started and thus see that I have done nothin wrong and can't be banned.
DeamonLordEnigma and Vastiva I hope that this is over and done with. It does nothing to talk to you about this.

I have done nothin wrong and can't be banned.
Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about? Do you think somebody here can ban you from something? Mods can ban you for flaming, and you have been flaming quite a bit ... but neither DLE nor Vastiva are mods.

Take a deep breath, go for a walk, do something else for a while. You're taking this waaay too seriously.

Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about? Do you think somebody here can ban you from something? Mods can ban you for flaming, and you have been flaming quite a bit ... but neither DLE nor Vastiva are mods.

Take a deep breath, go for a walk, do something else for a while. You're taking this waaay too seriously.

*nods* There's no reason to start a war on the UN floor...we'd like to think that we are a civilized bunch, and besides, we'd hate to clean up the mess.

Why must the United Nations take a stance on this issue at all? There is absolutely not reason why this necessary. Individual nations may certainly reserve the right to legalize prostitution, but is not the duty of the UN to make such a law. The People's Republic hereby takes a stance of noncompliance. Any sanctions imposed by the United Nations will be dealt with in due course.

Why must the United Nations take a stance on this issue at all? There is absolutely not reason why this necessary. Individual nations may certainly reserve the right to legalize prostitution, but is not the duty of the UN to make such a law. The People's Republic hereby takes a stance of noncompliance. Any sanctions imposed by the United Nations will be dealt with in due course.
You obviously don't realize that there is no way to not comply with UN resolutions, the gnomes see to that.

OOC: No, I understand, that this is a game, somewhat changed into a roleplaying game, and just as someone can claim they can build intelligent hollograms, I can claim noncompliance.

Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about? Do you think somebody here can ban you from something? Mods can ban you for flaming, and you have been flaming quite a bit ... but neither DLE nor Vastiva are mods.

Take a deep breath, go for a walk, do something else for a while. You're taking this waaay too seriously.

Aigain read the posts, i did not say that they could do that.
But okay I will do as you say.
It is now over I will not post more on this thread unless it has something to do with the Prostitution Act.

OOC: No, I understand, that this is a game, somewhat changed into a roleplaying game, and just as someone can claim they can build intelligent hollograms, I can claim noncompliance.

OOC: Reread the FAQ. You *can't* fail to comply. Period. No wiggle room there - you WILL comply like it or not.

Yes, it is a game, but it has rules, and you have to abide by them.

*adds another name to the list of those who didn't read the FAQ before joining the UN*

OOC:

Into the breach, however, steps the NationStates community, which has independently devised an entire system covering war, trade, and just about anything else you can think of. This takes place entirely on the forums (mostly in International Incidents), and is role-played.

I've read the faq and I'm following it, I'm not claiming I can change the effects that resolution had on my country (though it appears the game does not impose resolutions that took place before your entrance to the UN, so any changes due to this resolution would be nonexistant in my country anyways). I am just roleplaying the situation as is stated in "the rules" by the NationStates FAQ. I don't believe this classifies as godlike or out of realms of possibility for any country to do. If my logic seems incorrect then please correct me.

OOC:

Into the breach, however, steps the NationStates community, which has independently devised an entire system covering war, trade, and just about anything else you can think of. This takes place entirely on the forums (mostly in International Incidents), and is role-played.

I've read the faq and I'm following it, I'm not claiming I can change the effects that resolution had on my country (though it appears the game does not impose resolutions that took place before your entrance to the UN, so any changes due to this resolution would be nonexistant in my country anyways). I am just roleplaying the situation as is stated in "the rules" by the NationStates FAQ. I don't believe this classifies as godlike or out of realms of possibility for any country to do. If my logic seems incorrect then please correct me.

Yep, you didn't read the FAQ.


The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.) (bold mine)

:rolleyes:

I'd support the repeal of this resolution. But only in the interests of writing a better one with focus on discouraging the practice, providing support for the victims, and penalising those who benefit.

One more time for the one who reads selectively (not you, Hirota)


The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

Every day I find more proof that the First Rule of the Universe is fact.

I'd support the repeal of this resolution. But only in the interests of writing a better one with focus on discouraging the practice, providing support for the victims, and penalising those who benefit.

That'd be in effect banning the practice under the guise of "legalization", something that Rome cannot support.

I'd support the repeal of this resolution. But only in the interests of writing a better one with focus on discouraging the practice, providing support for the victims, and penalising those who benefit.

Victims? What victims are we talking about?

The only time it's possible to have victims in prostitution is when it's illegal.

I'd support the repeal of this resolution. But only in the interests of writing a better one with focus on discouraging the practice, providing support for the victims, and penalising those who benefit.

I gotta ask - who are the victims?