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Hello to you all I hope you are having a wonderfull day. Okay all delegates who don't like me and aren't going to vote for this please don't come talking about why you don't like me and etc. If you like me or don't know me hear me out before you make your decision. I don't think my last repeal is going to pass but okay and it's not bothering me. Here is my new repeal.

Repeal "Legalize prostitution"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #46
Proposed by: Chocolate Bar

Description: UN Resolution #46: Legalize prostitution (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: First of all prostitution is disgusting. This could help spread AIDs and HIV along with many other diseases. In Resolution #46 it never states an age limit so we have no reason to not believe that there isn't one. Therefore twelve year olds could be out there selling themselves and there are some adults who are perverted and would want them they could then hurt and kill them. There are so many different things people could do instead of prostitution. Little eleven year olds could be using prostitutes. Is this what we want our children to grow up in?


I hope you vote for it if you don't it's okay. If any wants to debate about this you can and I will not be offended. ;)

You have a very good point and i will vote for you. Is the new resolution at vote is to help stop the spread of AIDS and here we are with a legalized resolution to legalize prostitution that spreads it.... ITS WRONG>>> that's for sure.....

The Empire of Mattooe thanks you for repealing this resolution

thank you! :D

Argument: First of all prostitution is disgusting. This could help spread AIDs and HIV along with many other diseases.agree, but I think that you can solve the problem, if you make new proposal that enforce helth care for the ladies.
also, if you ban prostitution you couldn't ensure the condition of the prostitutes.
In Resolution #46 it never states an age limit so we have no reason to not believe that there isn't one. Therefore twelve year olds could be out there selling themselves and there are some adults who are perverted and would want them they could then hurt and kill them. There are so many different things people could do instead of prostitution. Little eleven year olds could be using prostitutes. Is this what we want our children to grow up in?

again you could easily put limits on prostitution, and still legalize it.

I had another problems with the proposal: first, they had no goverment enforcement and minimal terms. that mean the lagalization let the criminals open brothel, without problems.
second, they don't divided between applied prostitution, and prostituion by force of mafia, against the free will of prostitute.
third, they don't mention the wills of the woman, since the moment she became prostitute (the right to refuse to do sado, for example). [less important, little kids at the site].
forth, they ignore the fact that prostition is job for the weaks and poors, who couldn't get out from the poorness, and take desparete steps.
fifth, the "oldest profession" claim is wrong, since the past include things like canibalism, slavery and others that became outlawed through the years.

the main point is "proposal 46" must get limits and terms, or repeal as fast as could. continue in your way, and I could vote for you.

Hello to you all I hope you are having a wonderfull day. Okay all delegates who don't like me and aren't going to vote for this please don't come talking about why you don't like me and etc. If you like me or don't know me hear me out before you make your decision.
If you want advertising only it would be easier to run a telegramming campaign to delegates. And it gets more votes.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

I do send telegrams to delegates I did for my last repeal and I going to statrt one for this. I use the forum for the delegates way at the back of the list that I will never get a chance to send a telegram to. Thanks though :)

Hello to you all I hope you are having a wonderfull day. Okay all delegates who don't like me and aren't going to vote for this please don't come talking about why you don't like me and etc. If you like me or don't know me hear me out before you make your decision. I don't think my last repeal is going to pass but okay and it's not bothering me. Here is my new repeal.

I don't care one way or the other about you. Not my job.

Argument: First of all prostitution is disgusting.

Emotive arguement that depends on the moral values of the person. Invalid due to lack of scientific evidence to back it.

This could help spread AIDs and HIV along with many other diseases.

Since it's a legal industry, you can always place regulations on practices to help prevent the spread of HIV and other diseases. Take a look at the real life porn industry in the US and the set of standards they use. Invalid due to not bothering to do your job as leading a nation.

In Resolution #46 it never states an age limit so we have no reason to not believe that there isn't one. Therefore twelve year olds could be out there selling themselves and there are some adults who are perverted and would want them they could then hurt and kill them.

Another name to the list of people who didn't bother to read passed resolutions. Try looking into the passed resolutions before making an arguement that isn't backed by anything other than unfamiliarity with how the UN resolutions work. Invalid due to ignorance of UN resolutions.

There are so many different things people could do instead of prostitution. Little eleven year olds could be using prostitutes. Is this what we want our children to grow up in?

No evidence the environment has an adverse affect on children unless the parents are being idiots. So, no evidence to back it. Invalid.

I hope you vote for it if you don't it's okay. If any wants to debate about this you can and I will not be offended. ;)

Good to know.

Status of advice on this one: Don't support.

Since it's a legal industry, you can always place regulations on practices to help prevent the spread of HIV and other diseases. Take a look at the real life porn industry in the US and the set of standards they use. Invalid due to not bothering to do your job as leading a nation.


Maybe so but they never stated that you {who didn't even write the proposal} are adding things to benifit yourself. They never said any thing of the sort I studied that resolution

No evidence the environment has an adverse affect on children unless the parents are being idiots. So, no evidence to back it. Invalid.

I know there will be parents who will be " idiots" there's going to be kids walking down the street seeing prostitutes. Also this prostitution isn't safe it's not uncommen for someone to use a prostitute and when they are done kill them. Then this will once again like so many issues divide the UN.

DemonLordEnigma, you know that the AIDs proposal is going to pass, right. Well when this passes what are people in poverty that have AIDs going to do? That's why this resolution #41 it was created to help people in poverty.That's why we need to abolish resolution #41 and then we need to setup a government plan to help the poor.

Maybe so but they never stated that you {who didn't even write the proposal} are adding things to benifit yourself. They never said any thing of the sort I studied that resolution

No, they relied on the idea people would use common sense and realize that they probably should. They did not include it because it was not thought to be necessary at the time.

I'm not adding things, but taking advantage of the fact things are not regulated by the resolution to do some regulating of my own. Nothing wrong with that.

I know there will be parents who will be " idiots" there's going to be kids walking down the street seeing prostitutes. Also this prostitution isn't safe it's not uncommen for someone to use a prostitute and when they are done kill them. Then this will once again like so many issues divide the UN.

Prostitution isn't safe in your nation because your government is not doing its job. And the parents being idiots is reflective on the culture they are in. If your government did its job, maybe the number of murders of prostitutes in your nation would go down. I don't have it as common in my nation, so I don't see why it is common in yours.

Also, every issue divides the UN. The majority rules, so the majority is who you have to listen to. And in the past, the majority decided they wanted this. Now you have to convince them they were wrong.

DemonLordEnigma, you know that the AIDs proposal is going to pass, right.

It did before I even posted on here.

Well when this passes what are people in poverty that have AIDs going to do? That's why this resolution #41 it was created to help people in poverty.That's why we need to abolish resolution #41 and then we need to setup a government plan to help the poor.

I find the poor in my nation to be the laziest. There is always a well-paying job that doesn't require skill available. If they can't be bothered to get up off the couch and grab that job, I can't be bothered to help them.

As for AIDS: The best way there is to set up a program to deal with them and keep them above the poverty line. But, once again, it is on your nation to do its job and do that, not on the UN.

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Argument: First of all (add comma) prostitution is disgusting. This could help spread AIDs and HIV along with many other diseases. (Disconjuct- consider revising. Language implies the proposed repeal can spread HIV and AIDs) In Resolution #46 it never states an age limit (Add comma) so we have no reason to not believe that there isn't one (Double negative in sentence- Consider revising; "no reason to believe there is one") . Therefore (Conjunction break between sentences- Consider revising; add semicolon, "; therefore") twelve year olds could be out there selling themselves and there are some adults who are perverted and would want them they could then hurt and kill them (Complete run on, disconjunct of thought.. Revise; "there are some adults who are perverted, and who would want to hurt or kill them"). There are so many different things people could do instead of prostitution. Little eleven year olds could be using prostitutes. Is this what we want our children to grow up in?
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After that; The Child Protection Act and other subsequent child protection resolutions have answered many of these concerns. The Republic sees no need for further legislation.

I find the poor in my nation to be the laziest. There is always a well-paying job that doesn't require skill available. If they can't be bothered to get up off the couch and grab that job, I can't be bothered to help them.

See you said it yourself there are other ways to get money instead of prostitution.

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See you said it yourself there are other ways to get money instead of prostitution.

Why would he care about that if he has no problem with prostitution in his nation?

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See you said it yourself there are other ways to get money instead of prostitution.

There are also other ways to get money than besides being a doctor. Should we outlaw doctors just because of that?

After that; The Child Protection Act and other subsequent child protection resolutions have answered many of these concerns. The Republic sees no need for further legislation

Yes but the amount of murders would go up even though the criminals know they aren't supposed to do it they still will. Also another one of arguments agaisnt me is child labor and that law states about being forced to do it but not all children will need to be forced some will do it on their own will. Thanks for your last post it helped. :)

There are also other ways to get money than besides being a doctor. Should we outlaw doctors just because of that?

The whole point of my argument was that in the resolution it talks about poor people being prositutes to raise money but you said there are alot of jobs out there

I don't care one way or the other about you. Not my job

I never said it was if I did please show me where I would love to know.

The whole point of my argument was that in the resolution it talks about poor people being prositutes to raise money but you said there are alot of jobs out there

In my nation, there are. I don't assumed there are in all nations.

My point in all of this is that the majority of your arguement is not bothering to read passed UN resolutions and your nation's government not bothering to do its job. That's not enough to convince me.

Originally Posted by Chocolate Bar
Maybe so but they never stated that you {who didn't even write the proposal} are adding things to benifit yourself. They never said any thing of the sort I studied that resolution



No, they relied on the idea people would use common sense and realize that they probably should. They did not include it because it was not thought to be necessary at the time.

I'm not adding things, but taking advantage of the fact things are not regulated by the resolution to do some regulating of my own. Nothing wrong with that

That's like me making a proposal that allows people to kill each other and then coming to the forums and telling everyone there are regulations when I didn't put it in the proposal.

That's like me making a proposal that allows people to kill each other and then coming to the forums and telling everyone there are regulations when I didn't put it in the proposal.

Okay, now you're grasping for straws and not even bothering to read the entirety of what I am saying.

Since it's a legal industry, you can always place regulations on practices to help prevent the spread of HIV and other diseases.

There are no UN resolutions stating you have to put regulations on military personel, so under your logic there are no regulations on military personel. Same for most jobs in a nation.

Arguement is still invalid, and in this case is based on the fact you are falling down on the job. Try running your nation instead of turning to the UN for exact details on how to think.

Originally Posted by Chocolate Bar
That's like me making a proposal that allows people to kill each other and then coming to the forums and telling everyone there are regulations when I didn't put it in the proposal.



Okay, now you're grasping for straws and not even bothering to read the entirety of what I am saying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonLordEnigma
Since it's a legal industry, you can always place regulations on practices to help prevent the spread of HIV and other diseases.



There are no UN resolutions stating you have to put regulations on military personel, so under your logic there are no regulations on military personel. Same for most jobs in a nation.

Arguement is still invalid, and in this case is based on the fact you are falling down on the job. Try running your nation instead of turning to the UN for exact details on how to think.

That not what I'm saying it is really different if you put the regulations in the proposal but in Legalizing Prostutions there aren't ANY regulations. If you don't beleive me go look it up.

That not what I'm saying it is really different if you put the regulations in the proposal but in Legalizing Prostutions there aren't ANY regulations. If you don't beleive me go look it up.

Go back and reread the thread. You are obviously missing an important point I have stated multiple times. If you still cannot see it, post on here asking for help and we'll gladly point you to the obvious.

If it is that I shouldn't "run to the UN" I'm not. You can't adjust a resolution to fit your believesthe game doesn't work that way. Do you go looking for proposals to bash.I have had 2 repeals and for both of them you've done NOTHING but bash them.

If it is that I shouldn't "run to the UN" I'm not. You can't adjust a resolution to fit your beliefs the game doesn't work that way. Do you go looking for proposals to bash.I have had 2 repeals and for both of them you've done NOTHING but bash them.

sorry about the double post

If it is that I shouldn't "run to the UN" I'm not. You can't adjust a resolution to fit your beliefs the game doesn't work that way. Do you go looking for proposals to bash.I have had 2 repeals and for both of them you've done NOTHING but bash them.

To be fair, I have to note that DLE bashes almost every proposal.

If it is that I shouldn't "run to the UN" I'm not. You can't adjust a resolution to fit your believesthe game doesn't work that way. Do you go looking for proposals to bash.I have had 2 repeals and for both of them you've done NOTHING but bash them.

If it is not regulated by the UN, then you can do it. There is nothing in the proposal that prevents me from putting regulations, so the game allows me to do so. And some resolutions you can choose to ignore, as given in the fact they allow you to do so or have loopholes that allow you to basically make it illegal. That's part of how the game works.

I don't go looking for proposals to bash. I just bash the ones that find me. If I were actively looking, I'd post far more topics than I do on this forum. Your's are nothing special and are just part of many I tear apart on here. I am not alone in this either, just that I'm not as nice about it as some people are.