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The Global Library
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Great Agnostica

Description: This Resolution hereby say’s that we instate a system to put all human knowledge in to it. It will be called the Global Library. It will be Free and it will be accessible to all. The information that will be within the libraries are the News, All Books, Medicine Reports, Magazines, Laws of Every Nation and their Local Governments, and finally Biographies on some the most influential people during human history.

Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities. There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person and it will help you find what you are looking for and once you do it will turn into what you want you’re self.

For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wrist band. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them.

Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building.

If you're going to do this, at least include the use of AIs. I'll even donate them. I have a few who have become bored with their line of work and would enjoy the challenge this would provide. Plus, it would bring the costs down significantly.

Oh, I already have something similar in how the DLE form of the internet is set up. It's literally everywhere.

< OOC: Is this the fourth time you've tried to get this proposal through? Ask someone for help with promoting it. You seem to get stuck at 100 approvals everytime. >

It is the fourth time. Yes I have got some help with promoting.

I think its an excellent idea. I'll see if my delegate will approve of this.

Will this result in and end to the print industries?

Why buy a book or paper if the Library has a subscription to all print news medias, and electronic copies of all published texts, that can be accessed by anyone anywhere?

Why be a writer or journalist if sales of publications will not be such that any hope of making a living off of the text exists?

How will this hinder business industries whose patents will be voided by a system that provides their knowledge for free to all?

That's true what Anti Pharisaism said. But I really like the idea of a global library. Perhaps you should revise the draft a bit more.

Phew... That would be quite exspensive for all nations involved, I suspect. There are alot of nations in the UN.

If it dosen't go through this time I will revise it again to put that stuff in.

52 approvals now, if we get the full two extra days it should go through this time. However, should it be too early in the day to receive a full birth thursday (which I fear, considering its relative early position in the Thursday proposals), it'll take a lot of luck to get it in.

But, still, it just needs 94 more!

88 more approvals needed.

bump

If people want to reply, they will. No need to bump this or update us on how many more proposals it needs.

If people want to reply, they will. No need to bump this or update us on how many more proposals it needs.

Er, uh, yeah. Sure. Whatever you say.



85 more approvals needed. Bump.

This proposal is too costly. First, it will drive down book publicing and all connected industries. Second, just to build the thing and keep it running will be a drag on the global economy. Just the HIV/AIDS legislation dropped the rollar from 1.8 USD to 1.2 USD, and dropped our GDP by two billion USD. A few more of these sweeping money laundering proposals and the once great economy of the Dominion is going down.

Well do something to build it up. A Global Library is revolutionary and it is needed all around the wolrd. This could help third world countries and people that don't have educations. So what if it drains a little. Peoples educations are more important then your economy.

A library is a resource for those who can educate themselves and others. An economy provides revenue to a government for the development of an educational system.

So, that argument is circular. You would do better to explain how a global library can help booster an economy by possibly allowing those who can educate themselves to do so. However, given the burden on the economy, you would have to illustrate how pumping money into such a library that will lower revenues and monies for a government to spend on an education system, will produce a more educated citizenry and contribute to economic growth than maintaining the status quo of economic and educational development.

You should also outline how his country, facing the hardships of the cost of a such a system that would benefit third world countries greatly, and possibly his not at all, is a worthwhile endeavor for his NS. This requires assuming his NS is not a closed but global economic participant.

I realize pointing out grammatical and spelling errors makes a person less popular, but there are some issues in this proposal that are keeping me from supporting it. I consider myself a defender of the English language. It is disturbing to me the number of poorly written proposals in need of a PROOF READ. This is not a poorly written proposal. However, there are a few mistakes that should be fixed before this graces the UN floor.


"This Resolution hereby say’s that we instate..."

How about: This resolution hereby SAYS that we institute


"It will be Free and it will be accessible to all. The information that will be within the libraries are the News, All Books, Medicine Reports, Magazines, Laws of Every Nation and their Local Governments, and finally Biographies on some the most influential people during human history."

-Only use capital letters for proper nouns



"There is will be also..."

Should be: There will also be...


"which is called Holographic imaging"

Should be: which will be called Holographic Imaging


"A holographic image will appear of a person and it will help you find what you are looking for and once you do it will turn into what you want you’re self."

How about: A holographic image of a person will appear. It will help you find what you are looking for. Once you do, the image will turn into the item you are looking for.


"Holographic wrist band"

- All capitals or no capitals


"Finally the cost of this."

How about: Finally, the cost:


"There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building."

How about: A goal will be set. Once we reach it, we can start building.



I know somebody is going to label me as "nasty" for writing this. I am, by no means, an expert when it comes to the English language. However, when I see a proposal that is worthy of being passed, I simply cannot allow it to reach quorum without a decent proof-read. Please understand I do this to help the author, for my native tongue, and for my sanity! Thank you.

While we're at it, how about removing says altogether. As a resolution does not really say anything. It can state many things. But, seldom do such things speak.

True, so I say...I mean so I state.

I admit there are some mistakes in there but state and say are the same thing. State is politician talk. I am not a politician.

I will have to agree with Gnomish. Such a proposal is far too costly to be feasible. New Technologies are expensive, and provided such for every UN nation is an unrealistic goal. Now, as the final line of the proposal states (:-P) this is supposed to be paid for out of donations. If the people of Great Agnostica are offering to pay for this project out of their own pocket, then more power to you, but we of the Dominion of Lord Kitroth IX cannot in good concience pour valuble resources into this project.

I will have to agree with Gnomish. Such a proposal is far too costly to be feasible. New Technologies are expensive, and provided such for every UN nation is an unrealistic goal. Now, as the final line of the proposal states (:-P) this is supposed to be paid for out of donations. If the people of Great Agnostica are offering to pay for this project out of their own pocket, then more power to you, but we of the Dominion of Lord Kitroth IX cannot in good concience pour valuble resources into this project.

What is the full name of your country sir?

I wish people would read proposals before they support them. I won't vote for this until the grammatical and spelling errors are fixed.

The Global Library has 118 proposals, meaning it needs 27 more to reach quorum.

The proposal is on the first page, or right here (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=UN_proposal/start=0).

Let it die. It needs revision.

It needs revision.

Revision as in grammatical revision? Or is there something more intrinsic to the proposal that bothers you?

Though there may be errors in his grammar, its fairly understandable at the point he's trying to make.

Yes, this proposal should use correct spelling and grammar. Is this too much to ask? I don't believe so. If this is going to be on display for the whole UN to see, it should be clean and polished. The item that is up for approval now is a rough draft.

Yes, this proposal should use correct spelling and grammar. Is this too much to ask? I don't believe so. If this is going to be on display for the whole UN to see, it should be clean and polished. The item that is up for approval now is a rough draft.

There is a degree to which asthetics and appearance need stay in matters of approving and not approving of legislation. However, there is also such a thing as carrying that need too far. If you glance at some of the previous resolutions, you'll notice that the UN has been able to cope with having "less-than-perfect" documents on display. I've seen no enormous evidence of egregious grammatacial error that "demands" revision. Perhaps, in the event of a resubmission, it would be prudent to suggest Great Agnostica correct any 'language problems' noticed. Requiring that the whole proposing process be stopped for a few superficial points, however, I don't find to be a worthwhile or sensible idea.




The proposal currently has 126 approvals, needs 19 more.

"The Global Library" can be found, for review and approval, here (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=UN_proposal/start=1).

Will you stop with the annoying updates on how many approvals it needs?

The proposal currently has 139 approvals, needs 6 more.

"The Global Library" can be found, for review and approval, here. (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=UN_proposal/start=1)

Will you stop with the annoying updates on how many approvals it needs?

Hm, let me think about it.



No.

Right now it is 11:11 PM CST with 144 votes. All we need is one more.

As of 5:25 AM GMT:
The Global Library
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Great Agnostica

Description: This Resolution hereby say’s that we instate a system to put all human knowledge in to it. It will be called the Global Library. It will be Free and it will be accessible to all. The information that will be within the libraries are the News, All Books, Medicine Reports, Magazines, Laws of Every Nation and their Local Governments, and finally Biographies on some the most influential people during human history.

Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities. There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person and it will help you find what you are looking for and once you do it will turn into what you want you’re self.

For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wrist band. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them.

Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building.


Approvals: 146 (Sunkite Islands, Harmonicalobster, Docekaheedron, Steenia, New Larson, Powerhungry Chipmunks, Wolfenlands, Infinityx, WZ Forums, Desertica, Cheer and Love, Mettatron, Andorista, Sabbe, Keruvalia, Mescania, The kevinngzh, Frenzied fools, East Czechoslovakia, Polamnesia, Scandics, Nattyworld, Immortallia, Duplek, Real Sylvania, JS Nijmegen, Yafor 2, Alatun, Severance, Alexein, Pettorano, Miraflores, Fire Deep, Certifiable Psychos, Hessen Nassau, Seamus McCaffrey, The Greenland, Dominicalius, The Hunter Isles, Dafidutopia, La Commune Quebecoise, Dos Locos, New Lochaber, Xqm, Imperialer Voelkerbund, Alguien, AngeryTexans, DougIsGodLand, Belchingburg, Tallylandia, Saqqara, Generated States, Thatlandia, Bradley Latham, Fuzyfuzer, Dragon Hoard, Riversland, The Playboy Mistress, Buttons The Greatest, Infernalists, Apoclania, Astriana, Beta Centaury, Master Tom, Kalamynia, Julio Trigman, Albion and Arcadia, Tikrim, Alcadi, Smegmatic Llamas, Ossaca, Nethala, WAPPER, Yowza, Borglordia, Quattro Feline, United Land of Liberty, Czech Minutemen, The Dancing Butterfly, Anaximanderin, 4ty2, Rectatorville, Bonnie Doon, ---Narnia, Grinchland, Nigoria, Butang, Cricheb, The Belima, Geneville, Kidneyland, Neo-Pangaea, Lucritzia, Catanacia, Maraque, BearNation, Vast Principles, The prophet Leaz, Graceofseppuku, Ithapher, Pbar, Therekia, Stromland, Bluebluemacca, The Malkier, Euston, Jonopa, Javelindon, Sargonastan, Polandthria, Phillophia, Mikeytown, Hockey Fandom, Zuo, King Beef, DragonSpeartopia, Dyvan, Sinns right hand, Orlia, Information Traders, Tekania, The Henchman Union, Nieuw Rechts, Anjali, Uber Penguins, Pyro Kittens, LouFerringoland, Krostovia, Cameleo, Ammut, Liberal Robenia, Jonathalia, United Whiteys, Pimps Have Seven Lives, Patrick6h, Fallowat, Junon City, Psychos 4H 2003, Nazi Aurelia, Flaime, Yahleb, Twinkly Stars, No Na Me, Wolfhawk, Yelda, Oniram)

Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue!

By golly I think we have done it!!!!

By the time it'll be voted on, it should have over 200 endorsements.

Congrats on getting it this far. Now, let's see the debate that pops up.

May the best side win. :)

*applaudes* Well done.

You might want to use the arguements here to prepare pretyped posts. You'll generally get little variation from that due to them not reading the topic and thinking they have a new way no one else has thought of to argue it down. Some will just make a single post and not bother checking the topic.

Great idea! now all will have the chance to study.

Follow DLE's advice. And, since I am not to sure I agree with this resolution, respond to my posts: numbers 6 and 16. As they present major problems with implementation that myself and others can latch onto if they so desire.

Actually, we hope it passes. It will be lovely to swipe the technology.

LOL...

Yes, the idea of having complete access to DLE's transport and weaponry technology is quite appealing:p

Except the files are written entirely in Sarkarasetan, for which there is no program capable of translating (all translations are done by hand and, frankly, I'm not having my people translate 250 billion terraquads of data). Of course, the AIs can't be bothered to translate it either.

Oh, the blueprints require four-dimensional displays to use and don't make sense without the guide as to what it all means, which is also only in Sarkarasetan.

The good news is you'll be able to get the human genome, including explanations on what everything does, for free. Vastiva won't be happy with that, though.

As i said before (in the other thread about this)


Why tap UN funds, or even national funds from each individual nation?

If it's really a good idea, private corporations will build it.

In the Real World, we've created this thing called the internet, with little help/meddling from the government (rules and regulation AFTER it was already established aside). I believe it's worked quite awesomely with private funds.


Which is somewhat what DemonLord said back on page 1.

My question is, what benefit does this "global library" provide over the internet (which almost ALL developed nations have)? Seems like you're going to store all of the information digitally (if you're going to implement all this theoretical holographic stuff, having physical books is beyond me). In that case, what's the benefit of making people all gather at a "library" location to access the same information that one can get browsing through Google in the comfort of their own home?

You're also ignoring the fact that (futuristic nations excluded), dynamic holograms DON'T exist. This is due to the fact (until the day when some brilliant physicist proves it wrong) that the speed of light CANNOT be controlled or altered. Thus, you wouldn't ever be able to "stop" light at a specific location (or even slow it down). Dynamic holograms are as feasible as perpetual motion machines.

Also, if you're funding this through donations, it's never going to work. People NEVER donate enough money to projects... they only do so to aid human tragedies (like death or disease or genocide).

You're also ignoring the fact that a lot of nations already have libraries and national archives, and as DemonLord also said, you're going to have IMMENSE problems in translating all of the information.

In Synopsis:
Costs too much
MANY Existing Infrastructures already serving the same purpose
Not feasible under the terms that you propose.

I would MUCH rather see a proposal to help poorer countries develop their own network infrastructure to help provide internet access to everyone.

OOC: The Global Library in simple terms is a recording of all Human Knowledge. The reason why it will be done by the government is because I have a problem with corporations. They are always trying to sell you something. It will be exactly like a library with the name system.

Now with the problem with books is that there won't be one. All books publish for entertainment won't be entered into the library one year after it has been on the market. Samething with newspapers and magazines. Newspapers will be in the library one week later.Two months later for monthly magazines and two weeks later for weekly magazines.

The amount that of memory that will be requird will be alot. So that is why Great Agnostica will be donating a new super computer which can hold up to 1 trillion terraquads of data. We have been working on this for years. Translating will be easy. You just the holographic image to translate and it will. It has every language known to man. Including all anicent languages.

This will be expensive there is no doubt in that. One Library will be donated to every nation by the UN no matter what. If they want more of them they will have to pay for them. In the case of third world nations that can't buy them and are in need I am sure some of the bigger nations will be more then happy to buy some for them. I know my nation will. Plus cost shouldn't even be a worry education is more important then money.

As a self-proclaimed UN proof-reader, this resolution will not gain my support. I wish we could repeal resolutions and rewrite them so they have the appearance of having been written at an adult level.

You're also ignoring the fact that (futuristic nations excluded), dynamic holograms DON'T exist. This is due to the fact (until the day when some brilliant physicist proves it wrong) that the speed of light CANNOT be controlled or altered. Thus, you wouldn't ever be able to "stop" light at a specific location (or even slow it down). Dynamic holograms are as feasible as perpetual motion machines.

Actually, it's already been disproven as uncontrollable by physics. What you need is a gravitational or a magnetic force to control it. I use graviton fields.

Otherwise, it's a good point.

Well a lot of resolutions are up to this time. Holographic Images are here accept well they are well advance. Has anyone seen the movie called the Time Machine the new verision?

Oh, brother.

Actually, it's already been disproven as uncontrollable by physics. What you need is a gravitational or a magnetic force to control it. I use graviton fields.

The speed of light doesn't change. Outside forces (like gravity, in the form of a black hole) only serve to change the direction ... Even then, you're talking about something on the scale of a black hole... Even with the gravity of an star system, the direction of light doesn't change all that much.

After, you have problems of how to
1) manufacture something that can simulate a black-hole range gravitational force
2) contain the gravitational force so that it only applies to a single or a group of photons, and not other photons that are within a few nanometers of the other photons. Remember, the force of gravity reaches out in ALL directions. There's no such thing as a "gravity beam" that you can aim at one direction.

So considering all of that, and even if you have some made-up futuristic technology that defies the laws of physics, you're going to manufacture place a few of these in EVERY SINGLE NATION, and give every citizen a portable WRISTWATCH VERSION? And all through donation? You're kidding me.

Quite simply, dynamic holograms can't exist.

Secondly... maybe you don't seem to get it, Agnostica. Money is an object. It doesn't grow on trees, and you can't print a bunch of currency on paper and say "I've got a kajillion dollars!" You can't, "OK, i'm building a super-computer with unlimited processing power and memory and i'll donate it to every nation." Same with holograms. This is not only prohibitively expensive, but IMPOSSIBLY so. The kind of library you are proposing is going to cost more than the GNP of many nations, to ESTABLISH SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS!

Doesn't anybody else get the point that he's basically building giant internet cafes with holograms?

The speed of light doesn't change. Outside forces (like gravity, in the form of a black hole) only serve to change the direction ... Even then, you're talking about something on the scale of a black hole... Even with the gravity of an star system, the direction of light doesn't change all that much.

Ignoring, of course, the fact Earth has enough gravity to bend space...

After, you have problems of how to
1) manufacture something that can simulate a black-hole range gravitational force

Not needed. Just take a graviton field, form it into a semi-solid wall, and fire photons at it.

2) contain the gravitational force so that it only applies to a single or a group of photons, and not other photons that are within a few nanometers of the other photons. Remember, the force of gravity reaches out in ALL directions. There's no such thing as a "gravity beam" that you can aim at one direction.

1) No need for that. If the graviton field is semi-solid, then photons are going to escape. Just use colored glass or other materials to determine color.

2) Graviton beam does the same job as a "gravity beam" while being aimable and easy to manipulate.

Hell, all of the above is based on the scientific theory of gravitons and with myself comming up with applications for them.

So considering all of that, and even if you have some made-up futuristic technology that defies the laws of physics, you're going to manufacture place a few of these in EVERY SINGLE NATION, and give every citizen a portable WRISTWATCH VERSION? And all through donation? You're kidding me.

Actually, that's a good point.

Quite simply, dynamic holograms can't exist.

I just presented a future tech method using scientific theories that actually exist and which, if we had the technology, could actually be done in real life to test.

What don't you understand? I hear your opposition and I agree with some of it. Some of the issues I don't see your way. Holograms are possible. When I say hologram I don't mean the ones in star trek. But I am talking about the one you see in the movie time machine the redone version. That is where I got this Idea. That technology is possible. I think we can all agree that the internet an annoyance as much as it is a convenience. This will not be at all. It will be presented by the government. No advertisements and no spam.

Now the cost will be felt by every nation no matter what. This is not real. It will add a few percentage points your taxes that’s it. If that makes it high then resign from the U.N. or pick some better options on the issues.

Any other complaints?

I guess no one else has any other complaints.

Wrong.

Wow. I'm surprised this proposal ever got enough support to become a resolution. You claim that we will provide world news (or universe news I guess since we're in NS). What sources will we use for this? Obviously, some differences will be present in nations' news programs, so we would have to pick one and go with it. Or do you propose that we use every news source from every nation in the UN? The kind of daily data transfer that would be needed would be impossible to achieve. And that's just news.

What about censorship? In Nargopia, people can write anything they wish, even if it contains racism or obscenity. Will the Global Library be censoring any literature?

Great Agnostica: The type of technology required for this is obscenely expensive. The resolution itself does not lay out a specific plan for paying for it, nor does it truly explain how much this project will cost, not only the intitial investment but the huge cost of keeping the library up to date. I also don't understand why many of the arguments present in your posts are absent in the resolution itself. Surely you're not coming up with these ideas on the fly to counter the claims against your proposal...? I also take offense to your suggestion that we "pick better options on the issues" to counteract the huge tax hike this will bring. We should not have to make our national governmental decisions differently because of an underfunded, poorly-thought out project.

Wrong.

Perfect timing on that. Bonus points.

Wow. I'm surprised this proposal ever got enough support to become a resolution. You claim that we will provide world news (or universe news I guess since we're in NS). What sources will we use for this? Obviously, some differences will be present in nations' news programs, so we would have to pick one and go with it. Or do you propose that we use every news source from every nation in the UN? The kind of daily data transfer that would be needed would be impossible to achieve. And that's just news.

200 terraquads, at least.

1 terraquad is equal to 1024 gigaquads, which is 1 billion quads. A quad is, according to my research, a rate of transfer consisting of 36 gigabytes per second, at 250MHz using a x36 IO. I would guess the amount related to news would be the equivolent of downloading everything in the Library of Congress, at the same time, within one second.

My nation has the tech for it, but I'm also future tech and I require multiple AIs to do it.

Instead of saying what I think of your post and just say piss off I will say who the hell are you to question me. You are new to these fourms and by the looks of it new to nations states it self. Come back to me when you have a few hundred millions people in your country and a few more posts under your belt.

Okay, then DemonLord. After doing a little research into gravitons (which are THEORETICAL particles), I'll admit that to control the direction of light to make it basically vibrate in a semi-fixed location is theoretically possible

However, as this technology is nowhere near close to even conceiveability (you'd have to first confirm the existence of gravitons, then find a way to CREATE them synthetically <-which would take enormous amounts of eletrical power, then find a way to integrate it into a wrist-watch size device), it would be prohibitively expensive both time-wise and funds-wise. It will take centuries, if not millenia, for "modern-day" nations to even come up with the technology, and then make it economically feasible. And unless some *ahem* futuristic nation would like to dedicate their entire factory system for the next few centuries cranking out dynamic holographic gravition beam wristwatches for every citizen in the entire universe, all without payment of material/labour costs (this is a donation project, after all). Well, you get the point...

Anyhow, I'm just going to shut up about these wristwatches...

Another thing with technology though... First off, yes, you would need an enormous type of data-processing power (AND bandwidth) greater than all of which currently exists on earth (You're basically creating a DUPLICATE of the internet, plus expanding it to every single nation and planet). Secondly, there is also the problem of radio waves. How, in the case of futuristic and off-planet nations, are you going to transmit "current" information across light-years of space? A report that's published on Earth will take 4 years to reach the nearest star-system to Earth, and it will take BILLIONS of years to reach the next galaxy.

Okay, then DemonLord. After doing a little research into gravitons (which are THEORETICAL particles), I'll admit that to control the direction of light to make it basically vibrate in a semi-fixed location is theoretically possible

However, as this technology is nowhere near close to even conceiveability (you'd have to first confirm the existence of gravitons, then find a way to CREATE them synthetically <-which would take enormous amounts of eletrical power, then find a way to integrate it into a wrist-watch size device), it would be prohibitively expensive both time-wise and funds-wise. It will take centuries, if not millenia, for "modern-day" nations to even come up with the technology, and then make it economically feasible. And unless some *ahem* futuristic nation would like to dedicate their entire factory system for the next few centuries cranking out dynamic holographic gravition beam wristwatches for every citizen in the entire universe, all without payment of material/labour costs (this is a donation project, after all). Well, you get the point...

The wrist-watches are not even possible under DLE tech. The smallest size we have achieved is equal to the size of a keg of beer. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to walk around with a battery the size of a beer keg strapped to my arm. So, right there we have a case where not even the FT nation in this can help.

Another thing with technology though... First off, yes, you would need an enormous type of data-processing power (AND bandwidth) greater than all of which currently exists on earth (You're basically creating a DUPLICATE of the internet, plus expanding it to every single nation and planet). Secondly, there is also the problem of radio waves. How, in the case of futuristic and off-planet nations, are you going to transmit "current" information across light-years of space? A report that's published on Earth will take 4 years to reach the nearest star-system to Earth, and it will take BILLIONS of years to reach the next galaxy.

DLE solved the problem by using a relay system. Ships "line up" at certain points and serve as relay stations and signal boosters, the signal being transmitted to them, strengthened, and retransmitted. It's similar to how the problem with telephones was solved, only without the large cables. However, we only reduced a timelag of several millenia to a timelag of, depending on the size of the signal, up to four hours. Good thing I'm in this galaxy, eh?

Instead of saying what I think of your post and just say piss off I will say who the hell are you to question me. You are new to these fourms and by the looks of it new to nations states it self. Come back to me when you have a few hundred millions people in your country and a few more posts under your belt.


I wish every UN member would read this statement before they vote on The Global Library. Frankly, I wish they could read the entire thread. It's pathetic, to say the least. This resolution will not get my support. I will see to it that my allies not support it as well.

Vote NO on the Global Library.

I get how signal boosters can help make the signal stronger, thereby guaranteeing data integrity, but that still doesn't change the speed at which the signals travel across space. Even if you keep boosting the signal, you still have the same distance of space to travel across. At the speed at which radio waves travel, it's still going to take at least hundreds of years to go to almost any star system.

And all the technology aside, no one has answered my question of what I kind find out from a Global Library that I can't find out from the internet or already available means. There's a website on every subject imaginable, and newspapers and magazines already have archives of every single one of their articles. Everything's simply a google-search away, rather than having to walk down to the Global Library (of which there will only be one in every nation?) and asking some AI to find it for me.

I get how signal boosters can help make the signal stronger, thereby guaranteeing data integrity, but that still doesn't change the speed at which the signals travel across space. Even if you keep boosting the signal, you still have the same distance of space to travel across. At the speed at which radio waves travel, it's still going to take at least hundreds of years to go to almost any star system.

I was kinda hoping to save this for the 'accidental' leak of DLE engine designs...

Part of how DLE does it is routing the signal through a special section of the graviton generators. This propels the signal to light speeds, which is part of why the signal needs constant strengthening. At light speeds, you tend to lose things from the signal. It works on a similar principle to how DLE FTL travel works, which is based on the principles of how a black hole works.

And all the technology aside, no one has answered my question of what I kind find out from a Global Library that I can't find out from the internet or already available means. There's a website on every subject imaginable, and newspapers and magazines already have archives of every single one of their articles. Everything's simply a google-search away, rather than having to walk down to the Global Library (of which there will only be one in every nation?) and asking some AI to find it for me.

Information from FT nations.

No mandated costs to individual governments, right?

'K, the Asshelmeti will ask our delegate to support this proposal.

I didn't approve this as a delegate. I am on the fence regarding whether or not I will vote for this proposal. I think the idea is great and the intent behind the proposal is good, but it is written so poorly that I don't know if it is something I want to help put in the U.N. books.

No mandated costs to individual governments, right?

'K, the Asshelmeti will ask our delegate to support this proposal.

Well, if no nation donates any money to the project, it never gets off the ground. So, no, there are no mandated costs but without costs, there is no real reason for the resolution.

I didn't approve this as a delegate. I am on the fence regarding whether or not I will vote for this proposal. I think the idea is great and the intent behind the proposal is good, but it is written so poorly that I don't know if it is something I want to help put in the U.N. books.
OOC: so... suggest improvements in the writing?

p.s. apologies, the Asshelmeti are not a UN member state. Asshelmetta are, and we also support the concept - especially as us poor nations aren't required to contribute.

All I have to say is we will wait and see what the members have to say. If they say yes then it will be in the UN books forever no matter what. If it is turned down I will go back to the drawing board and incorporate some of ideas I have heard here.

I'm already writing a repeal.

OOC: so... suggest improvements in the writing?

p.s. apologies, the Asshelmeti are not a UN member state. Asshelmetta are, and we also support the concept - especially as us poor nations aren't required to contribute.

It is useless to suggest changes in the writing, since it has already reached quorum and will probably pass. But just in case, I have re-written the proposal and will submit it and begin my own push to get it through.

But just in case, I have re-written the proposal and will submit it and begin my own push to get it through.

I hope you write better than a 10-year-old.

It is useless to suggest changes in the writing, since it has already reached quorum and will probably pass. But just in case, I have re-written the proposal and will submit it and begin my own push to get it through.
Please don't nuke my country this time if I object to any of the provisions.

Please don't nuke my country this time if I object to any of the provisions.

We don't do that, despite my threats of doing it from time to time.

I wish every UN member would read this statement before they vote on The Global Library. Frankly, I wish they could read the entire thread. It's pathetic, to say the least. This resolution will not get my support. I will see to it that my allies not support it as well.

Vote NO on the Global Library.

And I hope you don't go about trying to convince others to vote against this proposal in this manner. Mainly, because you'll most probably meet spectacular failure.

However this post, this thread, or other previous arguments have swayed your mind and affected your conclusions about the proposal, assertion repels rather than attracts others to your side. If you're going to convince the UN voters that this proposal is not worthwhile, you're going to have to lead them to that conclusion by giving them evidence and argument--not by giving give them your conclusion and expecting them to materialize your evidence.

We don't do that, despite my threats of doing it from time to time.
Pilot did.

OK, maybe it was because my ambassador put our objections into the form of assassination squads, but still...

And I hope you don't go about trying to convince others to vote against this proposal in this manner. Mainly, because you'll most probably meet spectacular failure.

However this post, this thread, or other previous arguments have swayed your mind and affected your conclusions about the proposal, assertion repels rather than attracts others to your side. If you're going to convince the UN voters that this proposal is not worthwhile, you're going to have to lead them to that conclusion by giving them evidence and argument--not by giving give them your conclusion and expecting them to materialize your evidence.

This rhetoric has nothing to do with my post that you quoted. My argument was with the author's inappropriate use of expletives in this forum. The only "specatular failure" here is Great Agnostica's writing and cognitive abilities.

Interesting... an excelent ambition. Holograms are cool, so why not throw them in? If you have enough finely tuned projectors of course holograms are possible. A very noble plan but I honestly don't not how this will get off the ground completely off donations, most notably those wristwatch holograms which would be infinitely more difficult to manufacture than a larger hologram. I'm sure I would donate some money if I had assurement that this project will really,again, get off the ground. However, if it is funded sheerly by donations, I can have no assurement at all, and I'm sure many other nations will hesitate to donate as well. Take out the watches and add a small mandatory donation (while allowing more money to be donated of course) and I would support this 100 percent. But as for now, I must still take it into consideration. I'm interested in what other people think of this proposal...

This rhetoric has nothing to do with my post that you quoted. My argument was with the author's inappropriate use of expletives in this forum. The only "specatular failure" here is Great Agnostica's writing and cognitive abilities.

Again, if you just throw around labels to things you don't like, you're not going to get very far. Not very far with me. Not very far with the voters.

PC, please direct your attention to the sign about feeding.

PC, please direct your attention to the sign about feeding.

OOC: lol, oops!

IC:*hides hand of troll feed behind back*

It is useless to suggest changes in the writing, since it has already reached quorum and will probably pass. But just in case, I have re-written the proposal and will submit it and begin my own push to get it through.

If it does get through it will be ammended and I would like you to help me. I resepect you very much especially your aids act.

If it does get through it will be ammended and I would like you to help me. I resepect you very much especially your aids act.
let's not go there, shall we?
this resolution won't restructure our taxes, or induce anyone to nuke my country.

let's not go there, shall we?
this resolution won't restructure our taxes, or induce anyone to nuke my country.

Thats true. If anything it will better your country and its people.

let's not go there, shall we?
this resolution won't restructure our taxes, or induce anyone to nuke my country.

I might just nuke you again for fun.

I have more countries where that one came from!

This is a mistake. It will totally kill the publishing industry. It will be impossible to make a profit selling books or magazines if people can simply access the same information for free anywhere.

The People's Republic of Fatastistan realizes the right of all human beings to learn and read, but also must respect the right of copyright owners to control the distribution of their works. This would not only be an injustice to the writers and publishers who make their living this way, but it would be a crippling blow to our economy.

What's worse, this "holographic imaging" technology is pure speculation, and has no basis in scientific fact. Even if such a device is physically possible, which it does not appear to be, at all, the cost and size of the device would outweigh the benefits of developing it. It is absolutely impossible to build a portable device of this type, and the bandwidth needed would be impossible to achieve.

The cost of developing this system, implementing it in every nation in the UN, and building the computers and necessary communication infrastructure, according to our scientists' estimates, would exceed the total budgets of all the nations in the world put together, several times.

The only possible way that we would support this resolution would be if the idea of holographic projection was totally abandoned, the system was re-thought-out to take advantage of the internet already in place throughout the UN, and that copyrighted works not be available to the database at all without consent from the publisher or author.

If this passes as-is, the People's Republic of Fatastistan might as well resign from the UN entirely, since we will not drive our economy into the ground trying to accomplish the impossible.

I urge the rest of the UN to reject this entirely. We should debate this and come up with an alternative resolution together, not go chasing after something that can never be implemented.

The only possible way that we would support this resolution would be if the idea of holographic projection was totally abandoned, the system was re-thought-out to take advantage of the internet already in place throughout the UN, and that copyrighted works not be available to the database at all without consent from the publisher or author.

Finally, someone says something that makes sense in this thread.

I'd also like to add that the bickering (even if i agree that this proposal is pointless, infeasible, and a crime against language, and that Agnostica is arrogant, at best) is getting no where and really getting annoying. Like Powerhungry Chipmunks said, the way to get people to realize that this isn't a good proposal is to convince them through evidence and arguments. Name-calling and troll-baiting and pure arrogance isn't getting anyone anywhere(Although somehow it's suceeded in getting this proposal approved for vote, go figure), and all of your posts just keep knocking the rest of ours (Which actually CONTRIBUTE to the debate) farther down the thread, so that new people who come in just ignore the rest of it and assume there's no intelligent argument going on here.

The hologram idea is just silly. I've already been through why it won't work from the standpoints of physics and economy. They almost assuredly will not exist (maybe Agnostica would like to explain his concept of how a dynamic hologram would work? Like DemonLord or me? Instead of merely exclaiming, "I saw it in a movie and it looked hecka cool!") and even if somehow a theoretical concept was invented, the costs associated with researching and developing the technology, then shrinking it to wristwatch size, then putting it into mas production are beyond comprehension. And for the person that suggested it, no, it is NOT as simple as making the paths of two lasers intersect each other (if you had two laser pointers, this would be evident. Anyhow, the paths of photons will NOT change the path of other photons in any appreciable amount) Go back a few pages to see where DemonLord and I discuss the technology behind holograms.

And I don't see a need to build a Library facility for everyone to go to. This would be much better as possibly a server project that hosted an wikipedia-like site. THAT could be accomplished with a $6.95 per month domain name and a very large (though not on the impossible scale like you're suggesting) server.

And without the consent of newspapers and magazines (and they will NOT let you distribute digital copies of their writing on the day or even week it comes out), that idea isn't going to work. You end up with a very big digital encyclopedia, all of which could be hosted on a server.

Damn, this is like arguing against a bunch of intelligent-design yuppies.

God, can you imagine how much space all of humanity's knowledge and creative works would take up? You'd never be able to store that much data, at least not practically. And think how much time would be spent just collecting it!

What's worse, is that they want to build these wristwatch projector things, which, even if they could be created and fit into something the size and shape of a wristwatch, would probably cost billions each due to the level of technology involved.

And they want us to give them away!

One thing I've been busy with since this started is calling in favors from engineers just to see how much engineering power this requires. That's why I have waited so long to post a real arguement on the issue.

This would require, from what those engineers said, a transfer rate of 1 quadrillion terraquads in order to work. Look back a few pages to see what a terraquad is, according to my research on the subject. To get an idea, we would need to build a computer equal in size to the Sun just to process the information. And that's ignoring data storage.

For data storage, considering the amount of data, we would need to convert the Andromeda Galaxy to a type of memory storage unit. That's enough to store the data we already have and not have to worry about annexing another galaxy for at least 50 years, maybe more if we commit a few thousand genocides.

Then, when I asked about the holograms, they advised me to flag down an alien ship. The type of dynamic, fully-interactive holograms this is wanting simply go beyond our current engineering capacity and surpass anything they can see for our immediate future. And considering these guys design computers for a living, that's saying something.

What we're facing here is, as they put it, a feat of engineering equal to the Roman Empire inventing the atomic bomb.

....and they want to do it on donations. :D

Well It will be passed. There is no doubt. It is a good Idea. Now I will be more then happy to take any ideas that you have and incorporate them into an ammendment. But taking cheap shots at me like saying I'm arrogant "cough...Tejasdom...cough" will not stop it from being accepted. If you repeal it still will be on the books as long as NS is around. Chances are it won't. So maybe we should make a meeting and discuss what should be changed and what should not be changed instead of bickering.

It's a terrible, terrible idea, at least as it's currently written.

It destroy the economy of our nations.

You people have to learn that you can't legislate impossible technology into existence.

"It will be passed, there is no doubt..."

Wow. Now that's arrogance, or prophetic vision. PUNNS hasn't given its report yet, so I'd like to know on what basis that is true.

You're trying to do something fantastically expensive - on donations. By the time this manages to reach its goal, the universe will have collapsed.

We're not going to worry about it.

I would have to agree with the last posts. Though we've bickered, I admire Great Agnostica's vision. I still feel this is a poorly written proposal and very unrealistic.

How I would have it:

The 'global library' consists of a database accessible over the internet, or through terminals located in public places. The database contains a comprehensive encyclopedia, maintained and added on to by every nation. The computers themselves are run by the UN and located in a single building. Public donations help keep them running. In addition, any public domain works, either books or other sorts of media, can be submitted to the library by individual citizens. Commercial books, music and movies, can be sold on it and downloaded for a fee. The nations are free to tax the companies for this right, which helps keep the system going.

It is essentially the world's largest, government-run, file-sharing network.

How I would have it:

The 'global library' consists of a database accessible over the internet, or through terminals located in public places. The database contains a comprehensive encyclopedia, maintained and added on to by every nation. The computers themselves are run by the UN and located in a single building. Public donations help keep them running. In addition, any public domain works, either books or other sorts of media, can be submitted to the library by individual citizens. Commercial books, music and movies, can be sold on it and downloaded for a fee. The nations are free to tax the companies for this right, which helps keep the system going.

It is essentially the world's largest, government-run, file-sharing network.

First I admit I was a little arrogant with saying "It will pass without a doubt".
But if it does pass I will write an ammendment to it where as making more possible to happen.

On this I like it. I will incorporate it into the ammendment. But don't forget it is government-runned but not government-regulated. No regulation inmatter of fact. I am againest the FCC so this wouldn't be regulated at all.

Did you say government-ruined? I'm just trying to clear this up.

Fixed

Ohhhhh, government-RUN...I gotcha.

On this I like it. I will incorporate it into the ammendment. But don't forget it is government-runned but not government-regulated. No regulation inmatter of fact. I am againest the FCC so this wouldn't be regulated at all.

First: You're misleading a lot of voters out there by promising an amendment to the select few who are actually reading this thread. By saying this, you are having the voters vote on something other than the actual resolution. A vast majority of the voters won't know about the amendments until after the resolution is passed (if it is). I'm not taking a cheap shot here, I'm only stating fact.

Second: The individual governments would be the ones sending the information to the global library server in the first place (unless you want to spend huge amounts of money creating an independent collection agency). Therefore, you can't say that there will be no regulation on what is sent to the server.

Third:
(To Nargopia) Instead of saying what I think of your post and just say piss off I will say who the hell are you to question me. You are new to these fourms and by the looks of it new to nations states it self. Come back to me when you have a few hundred millions people in your country and a few more posts under your belt.

I don't want to read any more posts from you about cheap shots. I couldn't believe the hypocrisy when you pretended to be offended at Tejasdom's opinion that you were arrogant. The United Socialist States of Nargopia is a respected voting member of the United Nations and an elected Regional Delegate. Who the hell am I to question you? I have every right and every responsibility to speak up when something is not right. I have only done so in the most respectful manner, and have kept this debate professional, something you obviously cannot do with either your posts or your political ethics.

Fourth: You claimed that every nation will receive their first library installation free. You also said that this will be paid for by donation. Let me explain to you what will happen. An extremely small percentage of U.N. nations will pay to set up libraries all over the world, as most nations will see that they will recieve libraries even if they don't donate (your words, not mine). Economies will crumble as all published works become available without regulation. Nargopia, however, will refuse to contribute published works, making every published item from Nargopia an extremely valuable collector's item. Nargopia will become the wealthiest nation in the NationStates universe. Actually, here's what probably will happen. People will read the situation I just described and decide that they won't contribute either. Soon, everyone will follow that example to save their economies from total devastation and the Global Library will exist no more.

I implore all nations, for the sake of the entire world, please vote NO on the Global Library resolution. Thank you for your patience and I apologize for the long post.

Well instead of complaining give me some ideas. Write out what you feel is wrong and tell me what should it said instead. Just don't tell me this is wrong cause, then we don't get anywhere.

Well instead of complaining give me some ideas. Write out what you feel is wrong and tell me what should it said instead. Just don't tell me this is wrong cause, then we don't get anywhere.

Implausible technology, to begin with.

The only suggestion I have is that we abandon the idea of a physical global library. There is no way that the United Nations should even attempt to create something as expensive as this.

1) It violates personal property and copyright ideals on too many levels to count.

2) It would all but obliterate the economies of wealthy nations who would be expected to help pay for the program.

3) The original resolution, which we would be voting on, is something entirely different from the ideas talked about in this thread.

4) The technology is impossible.

5) The Internet, which practically every nation has access to, already serves as a center of knowledge. A Wikipedia-type server was suggested earlier; in all actuality, a wikipedia website would accomplish everything you wish to accomplish with the global library AT PRACTICALLY NO COST.


Ultimately, if I could think of any suggestions to make this feasible, I would contribute them without hesitation. However, it seems obvious to me that the entire idea should be abandoned. It is unnecessary, impractical, and above all, technologically and financially impossible.

Yeah, a lot of this resolution seems like it would hurt nations' economies. Plus, the internet already takes care of this; why would we pay to set up a global library when we already have the internet? That doesn't make sense to me... I agree with Nargopia; I'm going to encourage nations to vote NO on this, and I think you all should too. There's no suggestions we can make to make this a good resolution... the whole thing is beyond hope.

Great idea but it exists already - except for the holographic twaddle! Have you not heard of the British Library and there is something similar in Washington. All publishers submit all publications to the British Library - look inside the front cover of any book! And anyone can go and read or reference the book. So I suggest this idea is dismissed. Sorry.

It strikes me that whoever was involved in running the global library would have rather a lot of power and influence. It seems like it might be similar to having just one, centrally controlled media... Makes me a little nervous.

Question to this forum/thready thingy-

I'm new to NS, and don't understand something-

Are UN Proposals, and NS in general limited to Planet Earth? I was under the impression that there were many, many nations living in regions that are not on this planet, solar system, or perhaps even galaxy.. Some of them seem to possess tech that is thousands of years in advance of humanity circa 2005AD.

If the NS & UN game-premise is truly intra/extra galactic in dimmesion, a "Global Library" seems a bit... puny. If the game-dimmensions are limited to the 3rd rock outta Sol in 2005AD, then - ok.

If anyone who's been around for a while can help me wrap my brain around the above foggy (to me) concepts I'd appreciate it.

Regards All,

T.V.A.
(Chief Political Machine Mechanic of the Jingoistic States of Rooseveltium)

Now, I've learnt that one should always start positive. So I'll say that the idea of a Global Library, the sharing of knowledge, is a good idea.

This resolution however, is very messy. I'm surprised that it hasn't been removed from the queue because this resolution invents non-existing technology. Besides, it sounds quite expensive while the money coming in is fairly limited, which is asking for trouble.

I will not support this resolution and depending on our region I might vote against it. And I hope that this resolution will appear somewhere in a "Don't do it like this" example list.

I'd like to say nice job to the supporters of this amendment making this debate into one about the chance of hologram technology and poor grammar...if one could have planned it,... well on to other things.

An important idea in the resolution, to this reader, is the fact the library will be created by donations that are not forced upon nations. Then whenever enough money is collected then the library will be built (everybody's happy!!) But that (as Great Agnostica points out in this thread by the fact that everyone's taxes increase) is a lie (and not too mention good lie at that...people can choose to pay like maybe uh "recommend" supporting library production...inside joke, right DLE ;).) Well, also this (as others point out) creates a cost conundrum and an infringement of the civil rights of UN members as given to us by our list of resolutions (trying to dodge 'national sovereignty' over fear of sighing.) So, the economies of the UN fall again...well no one seems to care about jobs...

Also, there was another statement I found fun and enjoyable to read by The Gloriously Indecisive Beacon of Unknowingness The Great Agnostica, which was that education will improve and so the economy going down is just too bad. EDUCATION INCREASING, GENIUS!!! As someone who knows having a library of congress (with 100s of millions of books and other sources of information in like 1000s of languages) in a particular country does not stop pro-education folk from calling bloody murder about the educational system of that country, so this to is a lie...because here is the fact: A large library that drains countries funds will not do a flying chipmunk to help education (except for the paid employees of the library and the rich who travel to look in it.) I think we'd need a free field trip clause to truly make it pro-education (j/k...)

One more thing, those holograms (did some mention the movie yet, I took a cursory read through the whole thread...I think someone might of...sorry if this is a repeat) are from a movie (which was first a book...hey a book now GA that proves there is a higher being) called 'the Time Machine'. In the Time Machine one of the holograms survives the millions of years (the main character travels there so that is how I know...and they speak English even still!) to a time when the evil monsters underground control the re-caveman like humans who were going through a prolonged dark age (there was in fact a library there, a great library there, but no one read the books for millions of years).
Ok well here is my point that hologram helped solve how to defeat the evil monsters meaning that once the UN takes everybody's money away and we are all out in the wilderness fishing and making houses on the side of a mountain (upside: they look pretty cool) we'll have this resolution to thank for saving us against the monsters underground.
Thanks UN and Thanks Great Agnostica
PS: You don't have to garble about education and technology, just say what the point of the resolution security against monsters that come from underground and suck peoples brains out...people will except you, in fact I'd guess you'd have the right to marry in a matter of weeks.

Sorry the confusion caused by my train of thought in this post.

Read one of the posts about the movie "The Time Machine",,, thought I should clear something up.

The hologram in the movie was a creation just of the movie, which was only loosely based on the book.

Now, to the resolution.

While many of you free nations believe that the free flow of information is a good and desirable thing, one must remember that there are nations on this would that do not want their people exposed to radical ideas that may upset them or lead them into undesireable thought patterns. While my country lauds education, it is accepted education carefully crafted to make the most of our workforce and abilities as a nation.

That having been said, this resolution provides no control mechanism for nations such as ours which have strong religious, political or moral reasons for limiting access of our citizens to such damaging information. I do not want to walk into my regional "uber library" to find all of the holographic people showing our children pornography, objectional religious material, or political rhetoric which defies the accepted norm of our culture.

This resolution may be all well and good for you pie in the sky democracies which are thinly veiled dictatorships who use information to placate the masses, but we want our children and our children's children to be shielded from inappropriate ideas. We do not want them lead down the primrose path into questioning the very foundation of our soverign nation.

Lastly, is not the Internet already serving this purpose, and much better than a location which a country is forces to build?

This is a horrible resolution!!! Not only will it be impossible to implement, not only will it hurt many nations industry because of the loss in the printing industry and other related industries, but we will never get enough donations to even support for this to be implemented in a single nation let alone every U.N. member nation!

This is a horrible idea and i dont even know how this got approved by the delegates. Its about time that everybody came back from fantasy land and back to the real world were things like this can never happen. I know that this is just a game but come on people! Lets get a little closer to reality.

This is a horrible idea and i dont even know how this got approved by the delegates. Its about time that everybody came back from fantasy land and back to the real world were things like this can never happen. I know that this is just a game but come on people! Lets get a little closer to reality.

I absolutely agree. This is ridicolus.

My reasons for voting against this resolution:
A) It is completely impossible.
B) It is a blatant rip-off of a bad movie.
C) The resolution is very poorly worded.
D) A Global Library, though a nice idea, can not happen with copyright laws.

Yeah, definitely a terrible idea. I like libraries and all, but holographic wristbands!?!? Isn't this supposed to be a semi-realistic world setting, where people can sharpen up their UN skills? Plus, paying for it by donations is not a good idea. Unless they are mandatory donations, very few people would actually want to give money. Think about it, people are already happy with their current information system, otherwise they would call for a change, no? If they are mandatory donations, we already have a word for that, "taxes ".

Speaking of the current information system, has anyone heard of the internet? PDA's? Laptops? If you are thinking about the expensiveness of laptops and such, think then about the cost of inventing holographic wristbands. Even if holograms were made, you would have to compress the technology down to the size of a watch, which would mean another expanse of time to research and implement, which means more money.

So, the government can either spend billions of dollars working on developing this technology, or it can sit aside and let the people who want it buy internet access.

Is someone going to set up an official debate thread? If not I guess this thread will do.

Yeah, definitely a terrible idea. I like libraries and all, but holographic wristbands!?!? Isn't this supposed to be a semi-realistic world setting, where people can sharpen up their UN skills?
OOC: No.

Our department of the Exterior has been unable to decipher the meaning of this proposal..... We are sure that the wording is grammaticly correct, and that the failing is on our part. We will have our top linguisists (sp?) study this matter more closely.
We do like the idea of literacy, but as too our knowledge, the technology for some kind of "holographic wristband" does not yet exist. In the interim we will have to vote against such fanciful imaginatory endeavors.
We were also unable to decipher how enough money can possible be raised for such a proposal. If we understand the word "donation", then we think it is impossible to build such a library in any city, let alone, every major city.
Clarification is required.... we can't possibly be understanding this correctly.

Principality of Prachya

"""Speaking of the current information system, has anyone heard of the internet? PDA's? Laptops? If you are thinking about the expensiveness of laptops and such, think then about the cost of inventing holographic wristbands. Even if holograms were made, you would have to compress the technology down to the size of a watch, which would mean another expanse of time to research and implement, which means more money."""


Alright, here's the main problem: this is basically a joke/prank resolution which has no serious merit and would in fact jepordize the welfare of almost all nations involved.

Hey, Great Agnostica? Ever heard of a country in real life called France? Yeah, they already beat you to the punch, as far as free information goes, because they have a thing there called giving away free (but extremely cheap) computers which can be used for any purposes. They give one to each family every five years, I think. So, basically, what they have done is substituted your titanic spend-fest for a project which would be have many purposes, such as giving modern-day people computers which would give them the ability to communicate as well as research for themselves. Granted, this would also involve spending money, but at least you're not creating technologies from scratch as well as furbishing citizens worldwide with these latest technologies.

Furthermore, the whole concept of these libraries is simply not feasable. First of all, unless we, the people of all of the Nation States, enter another Dark Age, the library idea would fail miserably because it would fail to actually promote people to use it. Let's face it, this library would only be useful if there was actually a deficit of books, or a problem in accessing information. The latter is the only on of the two that has potential, so let's check out its merit: Ok, let's say that you're a third-world country, then you might need this library as a source of information, but wouldn't it be much simpler to just have schools? Why not pour all of that money into that? Some may ask why the first of the two alternatives does not have merit.... It's simple: jsut because I build a library doesn't mean that kids are going to go and read them.



Let's have a show of hands here (anonymous, hehe). (I am, of course, assuming that everyone reading this is reasonable, intelligent, and has at least a minute amount of desire to learn.) How many times have you been to the library last week? Last month? Last year? Case in point. For the gentleman in the back row who says that he went to the library every week for a year, more power to you, but you are a dying exception to the rule, my friend. Let's face it: in order for people to maximize from these kinds of opportunities, they must be encouraged (schools, programs). If a people have been denied education, then they will naturally gravitate towards learning, but if they are born into a life in which they already have all of these "luxuries", then they will not value it.

Ergo, the library will be barren of all except tourists and Phd candidates within two to three generations at most.





Ok, let's say you get enough nations to support it, and you build these monster buildings. How big would they have to be for them to contain ALL of the books, periodicals, magazines, journals, etc. that you're aiming for? Basically, you couldn't. You would have to make small libraries (like the kind that we have here in the United States). If you did build one behemoth of a library, for every nation, just think of how big it would have to be...it would probably take up about a fourth of New York City in space alone. Include into these calculations the amount of people that you want to be able to walk around without feeling claustrophobic.



and the project falls apart. :p

If not, I guess that the light at the end of the tunnel has turned out to be another train heading my way.

It would cost billions of dollars. Meanwhile, people could just read books or go on the Internet. It would just be a waste of money. Holographic wrist-watches? What is this, fantasy?? Hey, wait....

Not only does this resolution lack realism, it also lacks enforcement.

All books? That's a lot of books, what is the punishment? Who will enforce such a thing?

I vote against it and do not support it.

All books? That's a lot of books.

right. only the written information from the last year, could easily fullfil the strongest computers in the world.
but it could worth it, if that system will used good.

Will this result in and end to the print industries?

Why buy a book or paper if the Library has a subscription to all print news medias, and electronic copies of all published texts, that can be accessed by anyone anywhere?

Why be a writer or journalist if sales of publications will not be such that any hope of making a living off of the text exists?

How will this hinder business industries whose patents will be voided by a system that provides their knowledge for free to all?


This is very true. How many young men and women with great writing ability will turn back from the field simply because they now know they cant make a living.
Not to mention, what's next? Medical records, viewable by all?

In the past there were a handful of great libraries, and many of them were destroyed in fires. I am voting no to protect information and keep it decentralized.

Badly written and the ideas used are farcical. "I shall just go invent something, becasue it needs to be done"...simple....

I voted no, and convinced my regional delegate likewise. I hope more people help to overthrow this proposal, so it can be re-written.

I am not adverse to free knowledge (fiction is not knowledge, surely? Another reason for a re-write) so as long as this proposal is resubmmitted with more fact and substance, and less whimsical thought, then I'll be happy.

I voted no, and I advise all of you to do the same.

People shouldn't have the right to know everything; this is benevolent. The less people know - the less they have to worry about. Also, if they learn about the histories, they will learn the tactics for Anarchy and Revolutions and a bunch of Riots that can harm your land. We need to spend more money on other things aside from superfluous libaries filled with obsolete and/or harmful information.

You had me up untill the hologram part. And hologram wrist watches? Come on, a global library sounds good but whats all this other fluff about? How about this:

A global database that will be available to all UN member nations. This database will include or will provide links to all known and published works of fiction and non fiction available. To ensure all authors, publishing companies, etc are being compensated, all materials will be available in "on demand" printing. Meaning we can digitally store all these works and customers can either use these texts from their computers or Global Database centers*, or they can order these text and have them printed up for a fee. So instead of building huge libraries around the world, we can build smaller more efficent Global Database centers. These centers would basically be all computer terminals and have an area where books could be ordered "on demand" from printing houses then shipped to the GDC of your choice. This makes much more sense than hologram watches and would ensure that writing remains a valid profession around the world, in fact, with such a new and vast audience, authors would stand to make much more than they do currently, with the added benifit of drawing in many new writers.

To all who seem concerned about the prospect of the extinction of journalists, etc.,

Aren't your concerns akin to claiming that the existence of free, public, libraries should have brought about the demise of professional novelists? I think, depending on the format, that this idea could serve to significantly promote the production of non-fiction, news-style writing. Think about the various regional needs. Think about the new information that will have to be recorded daily. Think about the need for fact-checking and responsible reporting practices. It seems like a significant expansion of the current system, although the logistics and semantics are both quite fuzzy, at this point.

Well if I can get stop being insulted for a few posts maybe I will state a few things.

One factor voters may want to take into consideration before voting is that the funding for this is by donation. A donation is not required or it would be a tax. Thus, concern over holographic watches and their cost baffles me.

Hypothetically, every nation which is interested in supporting the Global Library would donate as much as it can handle toward the endeavor. If there's enough money there to bring the technology of holographic watches to the people, then GREAT! But if not what's the problem? You still get a library (which most likely will be fully fundable with the likely level of donation), and you're nation isn't out of any more money than it would be otherwise.

One factor voters may want to take into consideration before voting is that the funding for this is by donation. A donation is not required or it would be a tax. Thus, concern over holographic watches and their cost baffles me.

Hypothetically, every nation which is interested in supporting the Global Library would donate as much as it can handle toward the endeavor. If there's enough money there to bring the technology of holographic watches to the people, then GREAT! But if not what's the problem? You still get a library (which most likely will be fully fundable with the likely level of donation), and you're nation isn't out of any more money than it would be otherwise.
PC please contact me.

Now must of the technology that is stated in the Global Library is from movies. Two movies actually. One is in the near future and the other stays in the near future for only a while and then goes on. Now the hologram and the idea for the global library is from time machine. The wristbands are from the movie red planet. Now I think it is possible to fund this program and its technology. It will have to be done someday and there is no time like the present. As for the current resolution if it does pass I will be doing one of two things. One rewriting it with views from others and my own or two repealing it myself if I feel it can't hold its own weight. So we will see.

The resolution does seem toothless, whilst I am in favour of expanding knowledge to all it has severe flaws.

Basically members can vote for it, but not actually contribute a penny and still get the benefit (should it ever be built, which is unlikely). If member nations were really interested in expanding knowledge then they would fund their own libaries and own education systems rather than wasting money on this inefficient system.

If the real concern here is lack of knowledge about other nation's history and cultures, then maybe the UN would be better passing laws reducing import and export tariffs so that we can have free trade between nations. This way other nation's learning materials, such as books, are cheaper and more widely available abroad.

IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS, YOU ARE OFFICIALLY INSANE! "Hey Terrorists! Wanna know where the president is heading tomorrow? Look no further!" And it would probably take all of Asia to build this "Library" on. Thousands of things would have to be added EVERY HOUR! This will destroy the enviroment! Plus, the CIA and FBI have things they WANT TO HAVE KEPT SECRET! In my opinion, evereyone that votes for this should be shot. Period.

Why bother spending on building a location for people to visit if people can simply get what they want by a wristband? If they want to go somewhere while they read, they can just go to a cafe and read their holo-wrist.
I support the idea, but say revise it. Have central databases to compile info and transmit it to the holo-watches requesting said info and save the billions of currency by NOT building gathering places (libraries.)
This being the case, I must vote against the current draft. But I will vote for the idea if it's simplified and made cheaper, even if it IS by donations.

Or we could use the internet. Nah, that wouldnt work *sarcasm*

This whole wrist band things rather undemocratic... I don't like the idea of a wristband allowing anyone to locate my position whenever they so please :rolleyes:. In the wrong hands, these wristbands are dangerous, not only for our democratic freedoms, but also our personal safety.

DOWN WITH THIS DEMOCRATIC LIBRARY!! My nation is ruled by my sceptre and my sceptre alone, I dont want some Library spreading discontent among my 32 million people. Sieg Heil!

An interesting idea, but really, how practical is it? Should these massive libraries be opened, and in theory thats not a bad idea, but what would the incentive for authors and publishers be if all their works are given away for free? How are they expected to remain in business? Should the writing of books then become a hobby for those who can afford to have their works privately published? Or would the publishing business become the province of the government, since private publishing houses would be put out of business? Thats a lovely thought, authors working solely for their own government, putting out only what the government decrees acceptable in a "worst-case" scenario.

It would be like requiring all food be given away for free to whoever wants its, a nice PC sounding idea, then wondering why food producers have gone out of business, and farmers have stopped farming.

Also, when they say EVERYthing written is available, does that also include things like "How to make an atomic bomb" or other works geared towards terrorists, or make pornography available to children?

I urge a NO vote on this one.

I like the idea of an International Library Branch, but I cannot vote for it the way the idea is presented here. First of all, a library like this in every UN nation? This is impossible. Perhaps a huge library in the largest and most populated nations, and then a central one, which holds a huge amount of information, in a nation which is chosen based on location, population, popularity, etc. Second of all, this hologram idea sounds like it came from the outskirts of your imagination. How would we get this technology and implement it in massive libraries in every large city in every UN member nation across the world? The basis is good, but you need to think your plan through a bit more.

This whole wrist band things rather undemocratic... I don't like the idea of a wristband allowing anyone to locate my position whenever they so please :rolleyes:. In the wrong hands, these wristbands are dangerous, not only for our democratic freedoms, but also our personal safety.

They don't have GPS abillity.

Nations of the world, hear me! I am sensing overwhelming opposition to this resolution. However, as of now, the resolution is passing. I urge you all to telegram your regional delegates and all nations in your dossier, telling them to read this thread before they vote. Tell them the truth about this resolution, namely:

1) It will destroy print and hard copy publishing businesses
2) It violates copyright ideals
3) It has no feasible funding plan except for "donation"
a) Donations are not required
b) All nations will receive a library even if they don't donate
c) Therefore, no nation with any sense would pay for something that could just as easily be free
4) The technology is impossible
a) The holographic wristband technology has not been invented yet
b) The server and data transfer required for constant updates would be more massive than any technology could handle
c) THE INTERNET ALREADY DOES THIS!!! WHY SPEND MORE MONEY?!?
5) The arguments presented by Great Agnostica in this thread do not match the arguments in the resolution, therefore:
a) The voters are not even deciding on the resolution, they are blindly voting for an undecided future amendment
b) The voters are being misled and treated in a highly unethical manner

Please get the word out! For the sake of the entire NationStates universe, this resolution must not pass! Telegram your regional delegates, and hurry! Voting on the resolution ends Friday!

im with this guy, this library idea sucks :sniper:

Now see I have been agreeing with a lot of these people. I admit it was poorly written, does not explain a lot, and actually I did think it would pass. BUT.... the idea is good and people seem to like it. Nargopia I think you are forgetting that the ammendment will be going through the same process as the proposal. So the same people will be voting. They are not blind. You under estimate people which is one of the worst things you can do. But back to this. Give me an example of how I have mistreated people? I don't think I do. Hec, I try to get along with people but, when people become abrasive and rude I become rude and abrasive. A example is you. So back off and act like a civilized humanbeing.

the idea is good

Nope.

and people seem to like it.

LoL at you

Nope.



LoL at you

You mention that to about the THREE thousand people that have voted For and see what they say. Once you have told them and they reply let me know what they have to say. Unitl then.... don't bother me.

I'm appalled! To think that rubish like this can hit the floor! This matter should be bouced back to grammer school. It containes now provisions for controlling weapons documentation. I hardly want the Nation of Supreme suiicidal squirrels gaining access to bio/chem warfare. Knowledge is something earned thru trials and tribulations of time, not immediate and unrestricted access to other nations lessons. Vote No for the safety of the World. If this motion has any merit it needs to be put forth in a far more deliniated format. Vote No.

Ramak Oktarb
Minister of Hyperion

I have also voted NO on this resolution. I had too many questions that weren't explained. Here are some:

Is the U.N. or the individual country responsible for the construction and maintenance of the library? If donation goals are NOT met, who is to pay for the construction and operating costs of the library?

Who is responsible for updating the library? Will each country submit information to a pool to be entered in to the library system or will they have direct access to the library? If it is to an information pool, who is in charge of that pool?

What kind of information is collected concerning the inquiries of individual library users? Who has access to that information? Does the fact that all participating people living away from the library MUST wear a wristband to access the library scare anyone?

Who is to determine who and what has been influential in the course of world history? Would this be a U.N. designation, or a country-by-country view? One countries hero, is another countries criminal. What does influential entail? Does it include the "evil," people that may have shaped world history, or will they be those people with a designation of "good?"

VOTE NO ON THIS CRAZY OUTLANDISH PROPERSITION!!! :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: :headbang:

Advise the nations who have voted for it to come to their senses. It's time for a messaging campaign.

Advise the nations who have voted for it to come to their senses. It's time for a messaging campaign.

I think it is the other way around.

I think it is the other way around.

You WOULD say that...lol

As I alluded to in a previous post but as always is being lied about is the idea of "donations". The UN cannot receive taxes (think that is resolution 3 or so) so the resolutions gives "optional" donations. But under current game mechanics (as I believe the last resolution about hemp proved) you cannot choose to go yes or no on donations or recommendations...you must do it. So technically this does violate the resolution about taxes but the wording probably made it seem fine and was ignored by mods.

If anyone thinks that UN resolutions when enacted can be changed (as in amount of donation etc.) then please give proof...if not let the record show, this resolution is a tax and a very high tax at that.

Here is an Economic Scenario: 300 Million People Country, Imploded Economy ($79 gdp), and 100% tax rate. The total budget of the country is 26+ Billion (according to Thirdgeek). If this library costs maybe somewhere between 500m to 5b then that means you would have to cut costs (maybe take all money from education, cut healthcare by a bunch, no more enviroment spending etc.) and face even more extreme economic shambles. And your populations 26% unemployment rate will probably not be that great either...well Great Agnostica I hope you like the cool holographic wristbands and even more mass poverty.
information from http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=great+agnostica

I just know the people of Sarcodina look forward to getting there once strong economy even more in hole with this new resolution.

PS: I apologize for bashing your resolution and country...I do not mean any more personal offense than the fact I disagree with your running of your Nationstate and your resolution ...(not you as a leader/person)

Also if a new resolution regarding libraries that is more logical like without such high costs of nonexistent technology then Sarcodina will consider supporting it...but for now I hope all vote against.

This is stupid! Teleporting and holograms. The grammar is even icorrect. "what you want you're self." I wouldn't want a hologram to help me, I would want real assistance. This way, we can give our economies a boost and create more jobs

As I alluded to in a previous post but as always is being lied about is the idea of "donations". The UN cannot receive taxes (think that is resolution 3 or so) so the resolutions gives "optional" donations.

The resolution you are refering to states the UN cannot tax citizens. It says nothing about taxing nations.

But under current game mechanics (as I believe the last resolution about hemp proved) you cannot choose to go yes or no on donations or recommendations...you must do it.

Where is your evidence?

So technically this does violate the resolution about taxes but the wording probably made it seem fine and was ignored by mods.

No violation present.

If anyone thinks that UN resolutions when enacted can be changed (as in amount of donation etc.) then please give proof...if not let the record show, this resolution is a tax and a very high tax at that.

The evidence has been given that you can ignore recommendations. Read the topic on the Hemp resolution.

Also, where do you see anything about donations not being voluntary? No definition on them is given and nothing in play suggests an alternate meaning, so the real life meaning must be relied on. And real life has it as optional.

"News" is too subjective a term. Madify this and it will be more appealing.

As well, in terms of the information to be publised, are you stating that schematics for nuclear weapons and recipes for plastic explosives will become part of the "free" information available to all?

I am all for freedom of information, but some things need to be left under lock and key.

I have no issues with the donations part of the proposal. From my point of view it is a donation not a tax and nowhere does it state that the donation is forced it is only voluntary. While this new technology is fanciful and I would like to see some proof of its workings before making a donation or accepting it into my nation I believe that it can work. My only issue is that I would like to control what iformation goes from my nation into it. There are certain things I dont want to be public material. I suggest that a panel from each nation be made and they decide all the information they wish to put into the library. of course the leader of each nation can monitor themselves what info is beingput in and can veto their rulings. I do not wish to share some of my technology with other nations whoi might wish to use it against me. I think that changin gthe proposal to include such a panel would be very beneficial. Thank you for your time.

This bill is a perfect example of why democracies fail. :headbang:

While the basic idea of a global library is a good one....

Crydonia has just voted against this resolution.

The main reason for this is...
As our tech level is equal to the real world, we don't have hologram technology. We also have an economy in a very sorry state, and cannot afford to import it or fund the huge education campaign that will be necessary to teach our citizens how to use it.

Other minor reasons are...
The funding of this venture is by donations. As I just said, Crydonia's economy is not good, so we would'nt be able to contribute much. That means we will end up with a library, that another nation has footed most of the bill for. As this library is'nt essential to our nation, nor provides something our citizens need for life and liberty, we refuse to be a charity case.

Also as others have pointed out, there is a lot of sensitive information about our nation we don't want made public.

Warning I am going to act arrogant right now.

Also this message is not intended to DEL, Peaonusahl, and others that were not rude or mean spirited to me.

To the ones that are you are terrible people and you won't win. Face it!!! It will be accepted. Now be my guess to try and repeal it because it won't happen. The majority will rule and I have the majority on my side. So you should take the advice of a great man that once said "If you can't beat them join them" because if you want to change anything on this resolution you will have to agree with me that it can be done and there is a way to do it. I am already thinking about forgetting the Building of Libraries and instead do the wristbands. That will be more economical. So I will let you guy's decide.

Could we maybe have global library without all the future technology?
Like, one that would actually be useful, instead of an idea cribbed from david brin?

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to side with those who voted against this.

Ignoring all the technology and money issues, this is a horribly written resolution. It's gramatically horrible, vague, not well thought out and feels really rushed.

Warning I am going to act arrogant right now.

Also this message is not intended to DEL, Peaonusahl, and others that were not rude or mean spirited to me.

To the ones that are you are terrible people and you won't win. Face it!!! It will be accepted. Now be my guess to try and repeal it because it won't happen. The majority will rule and I have the majority on my side. So you should take the advice of a great man that once said "If you can't beat them join them" because if you want to change anything on this resolution you will have to agree with me that it can be done and there is a way to do it. I am already thinking about forgetting the Building of Libraries and instead do the wristbands. That will be more economical. So I will let you guy's decide.

I don't know if I am included in the "mean spirited" group or not, while I am against this resolution, I don't think I was mean to you, however..

I don't like arrogance, and this post has just made my "no" vote even firmer. If the resolution passes, it passes. There is'nt much I can do about that, and I will be voting "for" if a repeal gets to the floor. Unfortunetly for me I'm not a delegate and can't help vote up proposals (dammit).

Asking your opponents to reverse their decisions, and agree with your resolution, as it stands now, is a bit hopefull on your part. Not all people are sheep, who blindly follow the most populour course of action.

The only things wrong with this resolution, from my nations standpoint, is the futuristic technology, and the donations. If you can cut the holographic stuff, and find a better way of funding this, I would probably feel differently about it, but for now, my nations decision stands.

Though I did approve this in the proposition stage, after some thinking, I also decided to vote against it in this stage of the game. Passing a U.N. resolution which creates new technology is, as others put it, absurd. I think it is bringing this game down to a more comical level.

How recent would the texts be?

If I was to plan attacks on some other country, and it was in the news, would they find out quicker? Could they easily read up on our texts to learn about us? Why not pay for reading?

As good as a messaging campaign sounds, and as dangerous as this proposal is to the publishing industry, I feel it would a futile gesture at best. There are too many PC lemmings out there who either have forgotten where their "NO" vote button is, or do not possess one at all. Too many who will vote for anything that even vaguely sounds politically correct.

Any authors who find themselves without a means of support will be welcomed with open arms at the publishing houses in the city of Kittings, Mason Province here in the Kingdom once this bit of fecal matter masquerading as a proposal passes.

Ok, I have a few things against this resolution:

1. It creates new technology, which is absurd.

2. That's lot of holographic wristbands, and those wristbands don't sound cheap. The libraries are also using this brand-new technology -- again, very expensive. The cost of this project is not worth it. Also, I don't see why there has to be these luxurious wrist-band things and high-tech libraries. I think this project could be accomplished more cheaply if we stuck to a couple hundred supercomputers that would hold all this information to be accessed via the internet -- sites could be made in every country where people could use the internet.

3. Someone said this earlier, but: this project will eliminate all new literature -- nobody is going to write a book if it's going to be immediately put into these libraries. Information could be stored there and I wouldn't have a problem, but I don't think the U.N. has the right -- nor the reason -- to infringe on everybody's copyrights (in books).

4. I refuse to vote "yes" on a proposal that uses such bad grammar. I don't mind bad grammar in posts or in conversations as much -- we all make mistakes -- but law should be respected. Law should be proof-read. Law should use the language it's using correctly. I could deal with one, or maybe even two grammatical errors, but there's a lot of them in there. Those need to be fixed.

Side note: It would take an enourmous amount of work and hardware space to store every single newspaper issue.

So then, We are supposed to just forget our principles and blindly follow the herd, even when we feel, nay, KNOW, it is not in the best interests of our nations and regions? That is perhaps one of the surest ways not to garner support for something, by telling the leaders and representatives of those leaders, that what they think is immaterial and that they should just "sit down and shut up". I had some respect for you and your earlier arguments in favour of this proposal. That respect has now gone by the wayside in the face of your mad ravings. My country will not be bullied or coerced into supporting something we are so fundamentaly set against. My vote has just been driven even more firmly into the NO column.

Warning I am going to act arrogant right now.

Also this message is not intended to DEL, Peaonusahl, and others that were not rude or mean spirited to me.

To the ones that are you are terrible people and you won't win. Face it!!! It will be accepted. Now be my guess to try and repeal it because it won't happen. The majority will rule and I have the majority on my side. So you should take the advice of a great man that once said "If you can't beat them join them" because if you want to change anything on this resolution you will have to agree with me that it can be done and there is a way to do it. I am already thinking about forgetting the Building of Libraries and instead do the wristbands. That will be more economical. So I will let you guy's decide.

Warning I am going to act arrogant right now.

Also this message is not intended to DEL, Peaonusahl, and others that were not rude or mean spirited to me.

To the ones that are you are terrible people and you won't win. Face it!!! It will be accepted. Now be my guess to try and repeal it because it won't happen. The majority will rule and I have the majority on my side. So you should take the advice of a great man that once said "If you can't beat them join them" because if you want to change anything on this resolution you will have to agree with me that it can be done and there is a way to do it. I am already thinking about forgetting the Building of Libraries and instead do the wristbands. That will be more economical. So I will let you guy's decide.

Sir, you seem to be attacking the people who disagree with you rather than responding to any of their complaints. A more effective strategy to convince people might be to defend your positions in a friendly manner, rather than attacking people.

sounds to me like whoever thought of this hologram idea watched too much star trek.

Originally I just wanted to mention that this library should and would include all books, including ones banned by countries for their critique of government, etc. However, after reading alot of the bickering I'v deceided to add that the people in the no column are right. This idea would destroy much of our economy, and thats with the slight chance that there would be an economy left after construction of the little mini replicator things or whatever are finished (beam me up scotty!)

Further more, the guy who comes straight out and says "i'm gonna be arragant now" ... u sound like an evil character from a book who isn't too smart and has these dumb plans for world domination but has to tell people about them cuz he's egotistical and just ends up telling his plan before its complete.

My vote switched from 'yes' to 'no'

~ Cheeto Eaters

sounds to me like whoever thought of this hologram idea watched too much star trek.

Originally I just wanted to mention that this library should and would include all books, including ones banned by countries for their critique of government, etc. However, after reading alot of the bickering I'v deceided to add that the people in the no column are right. This idea would destroy much of our economy, and thats with the slight chance that there would be an economy left after construction of the little mini replicator things or whatever are finished (beam me up scotty!)

Further more, the guy who comes straight out and says "i'm gonna be arragant now" ... u sound like an evil character from a book who isn't too smart and has these dumb plans for world domination but has to tell people about them cuz he's egotistical and just ends up telling his plan before its complete.

My vote switched from 'yes' to 'no'

~ Cheeto Eaters

Okay

No need to make changes
There are thousands if not millions or billions of people who will still buy books to have as their own.
A Global Library is an excellant idea!

Hi Great Agnostica,

I know I have not read all the previous posts but I feel like putting in my two cents.

Not that your idea of a global library is not good (it even has a Civilization ring to it!). Isn't the Internet already the Global Library? The good thing about the internet is that no one owns all the information but everyone has the right to contribute and share and use the information. There is no central hub to the internet which automatically makes it a system with multiple redundancy. If the global library is destroyed (despite the fact that there will be many of such libraries), the information will become irretrivable. Also, who decides what to include and not to include in the library? How about pornographics? How about pot growing? They may be information not considered to be "proper" by some, but they are vital and integral to what we call the human "civilization".

Instead, why don't we start a proposal to improve literacy? Before one can utilize the library one must be able to read. If this universe is anything like the real one, 90% of the world's population is functionally illiterate! That is the great human calamity and sorrow! A library would only benefit the top 10% of the world's population, but to achieve GLOBAL LITERACY is the first step towards global knowledge!

Ok, I have a few things against this resolution:

1. It creates new technology, which is absurd.

2. That's lot of holographic wristbands, and those wristbands don't sound cheap. The libraries are also using this brand-new technology -- again, very expensive. The cost of this project is not worth it. Also, I don't see why there has to be these luxurious wrist-band things and high-tech libraries. I think this project could be accomplished more cheaply if we stuck to a couple hundred supercomputers that would hold all this information to be accessed via the internet -- sites could be made in every country where people could use the internet.

3. Someone said this earlier, but: this project will eliminate all new literature -- nobody is going to write a book if it's going to be immediately put into these libraries. Information could be stored there and I wouldn't have a problem, but I don't think the U.N. has the right -- nor the reason -- to infringe on everybody's copyrights (in books).

4. I refuse to vote "yes" on a proposal that uses such bad grammar. I don't mind bad grammar in posts or in conversations as much -- we all make mistakes -- but law should be respected. Law should be proof-read. Law should use the language it's using correctly. I could deal with one, or maybe even two grammatical errors, but there's a lot of them in there. Those need to be fixed.

Side note: It would take an enourmous amount of work and hardware space to store every single newspaper issue.

I voted against this for much the same reasons. Where does the funding really come from? Donations, sure, but it's going to be as strapped for cash as PBS. It's going to be very difficult to pull off. If it passes I will support it a long as it's on the books, but I voted against it and I urge others to do the same until something more workable is created on this subject.

There is no mention of who would be involved in making sure all entries to the library are FACT ! Nor is there any mention on how to add or abolish any one item in the library. This idea is worth thinking about, but only after the bill itslelf covers all the bases. Do your homework and then propose this thing! Until then we should all vote NO!!!!

I hope this proposal meets the same fate as the Great Library of Alexandria.

i have an idea for an amendment to the proposal (if thats possible, i don't know). change the funding for this huge library from 'donations' which relies on the good will of people, which is very unreliable, to corporate and private advertising. people and companies have always been motivated by self-interest to the greatest degree. there will probably be thousands of such companies willing to pay a large sum of money to hock their wares on a new global 'market', that is, the library. advertising allows us to get free or cheap radio, television, and internet (beside provider costs) in our world and is of little cost to the gov't; i think it would work just as well for this proposal.

Goobergunch City, Goobergunchia
4 January 2005

The following is our interpretation of the resolution pending before the United Nations to increase democratic freedoms and entitled "The Global Library":

This Resolution hereby say’s [sic] that we instate a system to put all human knowledge in to it. It will be called the Global Library. It will be Free and it will be accessible to all.

This resolution defines a "system". This term is defined by Wikipedia as "an assemblage of inter-related elements comprising a unified whole." It appears that the aforementioned inter-related elements are the information content of the library, although this appears to be a rather stretched use of the term.

The information that will be within the libraries are the News, All Books, Medicine Reports, Magazines, Laws of Every Nation and their Local Governments, and finally Biographies on some the most influential people during human history.

There are currently 123,344 nations, with an uncounted number of local governments. The number of total magazine issues in global histories is probably in the billions or trillions, with books at a similar number. The number of total "medicine reports" (which we usually refer to as "medical studies") is probably also in the billions. Since "News" is an intangible, it is our opinion that it is impossible to attempt to insert it.

No matter how many servers or how large a territory is taken up, it will be impossible to ever fully implement this sentence. Indeed, non-UN nations will not be required to submit books, magazines, nedicine reports, or laws to the Global Library and it will therefore be very difficult, if not unlawful under the UN's mandate, to obtain the requisite information from them.

Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities.

We refer to our previous finding. There is no room in Goobergunch City for such a library - in fact, we doubt there is room in all of Goobergunchia.

There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person and it will help you find what you are looking for and once you do it will turn into what you want you’re [sic] self.

Due to the deplorable grammar, it is difficult to interpret this clause. However, we believe it to indicate as follows:

In these Libraries, a new technology to be named "Holographic imaging" will be used. When it is fully implemented, a holographic image of a person will appear upon request by a Library patron. This image will help the patron locate the materials that they wish to look at.

We are unable to determine the meaning of the phrase "once you do it will turn into what you want you're self". However, the technology ordered created and implemented by the interpretable parts of this clause appear to be extremely pointless and unnecessary; surely a simple search program would suffice? The costs of development are quite staggering even to comprehend.

For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wrist band. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them.

We believe that this clause would require some form of digital storage of the various items in the Library; we recommend that this digital storage replace the paper and otherwise tactile forms of the items. This technology, however, seems utterly impracticable.

Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building.

We are pleased to see this section of the resolution. Given that the astronomical cost of the facilities and the new technology will almost certainly never be attained by simple donations, it seems most likely that the said "Global Library" will never be built and the confusing terms of the resolution will not have to be acted upon.

United Nations Compliance Ministry
Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia

It is against United Nations rules to submit amendments to resolutions.

Lord Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

The position of the NationStates Region:
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The Principality of Prachya

The Principality of Prachya is strongly against this global literacy proposal due to its lack of clarity and actual substance. We support literacy endeavours, but this holographic business sounds far too expensive. We would never allow our citizens to donate a single Art to such a foolish idea.
If this proposal were to be properly debated and edited, and some explanation of this holographic imager were to be given, we would consider a similar issue.
This proposal could lead the U.N into a very expensive boondogle and we will campain Against it.

****

The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill
UN Delegate
265 Endorsements

Unless swayed by an avalanche of dissent, The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill, UN Delegate and Humble Servant of The NationStates Region, hereby casts the Region's vote Against said Resolution based upon the aforementioned arguments that said Resolution is lacking in content and context.

Mikeswill
UN Delegate

I would suggest that you revise you proposal to correct all spelling and grammer errors.

I cannot support a proposal for a global knowledge base, when the proposal is fraught with typos. That does not bode well for the library.

Please look at my new thread before you post here.

Please look at my new thread before you post here.

For those who like to keep things organized:

I have come to realize that the proposal known as the Global Library should have never reached the floor. It was a draft, no concept of how to pay for it, and really not even technologically possible. Now if it does get accepted into the UN which by today it will there must be a repeal written. I feel it is my job to do write it. I will state things I have read and hopefully it will get accepted.
The idea was great and I will keep on working it. It is possible to do it except it will take billions if not trillions of dollars to do it as I have it written. So I wish to take this opportunity to extend my apologies and thanks to those that do support the idea.
from the thread I URGE that you vote NO on Global Library. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386672)

I thank the representative from Great Agnostica for their change in views.

Lord Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

Greetings to All and Sundry,

I’d say that I couldn’t begin to point out the flaws in this Resolution, because they are so many, but I will endeavour to do my level best.

1)As Treznor pointed out this Resolution forces wacky Sci Fi tech onto UN member states, who might not appreciate it clogging up their RP’s. This idea was ripped right out of a bad episode of the Outer Limits (yes I actually have watched this really bad show a few times) and we the member states of the UN should not be held hostage to the whims of some discontinued and poorly written Sci Fi. It also might be the worse case of vapour ware selling on a global scale ever witnessed, since there is no proof that this tech actually exists or there is the ability to integrate it into a global library system.

2)The power source required to run this sort of thing would be prohibitive, especially for the wristwatch version. Likely you would end up carrying a 300-pound backpack (known as the power supply, processor, and data storage). There’s no way you could fit the sum of human knowledge into a fancy D*ck Tracy watch. It really does have the look of god modding on a global scale.

3)It actually promotes illiteracy instead of literacy, something that shouldn’t happen in Libraries. Having a campy voice along from a holographic personality isn’t going to make me more intelligent and will in fact require me to use a recorder to take notes since it’s not feasible to do so by notes. A World Library is a great idea, but doing so by a form of Internet or CD Rom would to me make a bit more sense and be less self-indulgent. I hope that when the author of this Resolution takes a second attempt at it that they take this into account.

4)The financial plan for this Resolution is so poorly put together that it demands that it be thrown out. If this is pushed through the project would get stalled halfway and force tax payers (the UN member states whose taxes will rise if this resolution passes) to make up the difference to keep this from becoming an investment disaster by Nation States society.

5)Even if the financial, technological, and management issues are dismissed in the manner of a mad dictator, the fact is that the system is unusable. If there is one person using the library it works. But can you imagine several hundred patrons all making use of their individual talking holograms at the same time. The cacophony would make it impossible for anyone to hear anything!

6)“Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities.” As Tremalkier pointed out the language of this Resolution is as flawed as it’s intent. This means that a completely subjective judgement could be made by officials as to whether your city was popular or not (and it should be noted that the government could appoint a panel to decide amongst whom this popularity is applicable). So people in very rural areas would still get their star trek gadgets that crushed the economy with their distribution but people in urban areas may or may not get access.

7)It will kill the book publishing industry, which lives off the guaranteed purchases made by libraries across the World. Without this the Publishing Industry would go under and with it the medium of many writers.

8)The fact that this Resolution specifies human knowledge means that many of the sources of knowledge from the numerous sentient, non-human peoples of the Nation States World will be excluded in a globally racist policy seeking to exclude their achievements and culture.

All in all, while I agree in establishing a Global Library, I in no way believe that this is the Resolution to do the job. It is poorly written, makes sweeping assumptions of technology levels (remember that the Jennifer Gov Nation States World is only about 50 years in the future), and fails miserably when it comes to how the bill will be paid. I hope that people will come to their senses and vote down this Resolution before it’s too late. Please, even the author of this Resolution has come to their senses and is urging that people vote against it. That said I hope that the author of this Resolution will continue to write up Resolutions and that they will come up with a new Global Library Resolution that I can enthusiastically support.

The Bruce

As it is likely to pass (currently 2:1), Vastiva officially donates $2. That's it. We're done.

AP donates a whole package of Happy Time Harry Fun Money. And a pair of red dancing shoes.

DLE donates an old, frequently-used and disease-ridden toilet. And a magazine in English that does nothing but tell the reader he's stupid (the publication company looks suspiciously like the name of the library).

I am absolutely opposed on moral and grammatical grounds.

Ubudiah stands firmly in its belief that artificial intelligences lead only to destruction. As soon as people can find it more desirable to converse with an artificial being, there is no reason to interact with organic beings. Unemployment will soar and AIs will eventually see the flawed and inefficient nature of organic creatures. Somewhere along the line, AIs will develop true sentience and be subjected to discrimination. Holograms are not robots, but they have the same capacity for intelligence. Civil rights will have to include inorganic, organic and electronic beings, and things get messy from there. Believe me, I've watched too many sci-fi films and read too many books to think holograms will make a brighter future.

Also, that proposal was pretty frickin' sloppy.

I guess I'm not the only one who cares about grammar and spelling.

I am absolutely opposed on moral and grammatical grounds.

Ubudiah stands firmly in its belief that artificial intelligences lead only to destruction. As soon as people can find it more desirable to converse with an artificial being, there is no reason to interact with organic beings. Unemployment will soar and AIs will eventually see the flawed and inefficient nature of organic creatures. Somewhere along the line, AIs will develop true sentience and be subjected to discrimination. Holograms are not robots, but they have the same capacity for intelligence. Civil rights will have to include inorganic, organic and electronic beings, and things get messy from there. Believe me, I've watched too many sci-fi films and read too many books to think holograms will make a brighter future.

DLE is a nation ruled by an android and with AIs as being citizens and just about everywhere in the nation, and we have not suffered such. No discrimination results due to the fact they are just another part of the culture. And most people don't find them overly desireable, as they have an alien viewpoint on life and what is important.

Well, even though I was pushing against it...

I have voted for this Resolution, by the determination of UN member nations in the Region of Futura...

AI is the eventual result of progress in information technologies. The Republic is looking into the implimentation of shipboard AI's.

Radlett endorses this resolution. Global knowledge must be preserved, or the collapse of civilisation will lead to another terrible dark age. However, these holagrams are an expensive waste of time, and we oppose them.

Radlett endorses this resolution. Global knowledge must be preserved, or the collapse of civilisation will lead to another terrible dark age. However, these holagrams are an expensive waste of time, and we oppose them.

*bonk*

You can't endorse part of the resolution and ignore the rest. It's all or nothing. So you just voted for the holograms.

We oppose them, but will will allow them to be developed. The good of the library will always outweigh the expenses, however high.

Vastiva notes that the proposal says they will first raise enough funds and then start construction. It also states all funds are by donation only.

As the cost is several googleplex USD, Vastiva projects the project will never be begun.

Interesting way to self-defeat a proposition.

Donations wouldn't be made by peniless old grandmothers, but my mult-national corporations. I'm sure that hundreds of billionares out there will be happy to part with money to help the project, if the resolution is passed. I will, for sure.

My opinion is that passing this resolution will lead to a gradual decline into a stagnant mess - how are the writers, artists, scientists, and tertiary institutions going to survive where as soon as they produce something it becomes public property?

i havnt read all 14 pages of this thread, and i dont pften post in the jolt forums, but thias resolution is so ludicrus that i just fel i have to.

Holographic wristwatches? holographic persona telling you what to find? WTF! this is by far one of the stupidest resolutions i have seen, how it got through i dont know, frankly, the proposal about legilising the mocking of Arsenal supporters was more thought out.

please, how the hell is this actully winning the vote?! small, 5 mill countries will have no idea what to do with it, they wont particularely care about it. my country certainly doesnt see the point in it as we already have such a system, its called the Internet, you may not have heard of it...

How many third-world countries have internet? If these watches were developed, they could be distributed easily.

How many third-world countries have internet?
In the real world, all of them. Sure, most people don't have access to the Net, but that wasn't what you asked. In NationStates, haven't got a clue, but those primitive, fantasy, mediaeval and Amish nations certainly won't. And won't like holograms either.
If these watches were developed, they could be distributed easily.
Ah yes, the eternal 'if'. And how exactly would they be distributed? How much would they cost? Would every one carry the entire knowledge of the universe, or just sections of it?

could they? how much do you think a complex holographic watch costs to develop, let alone produce? considering even the smallest country on NS has 5 mill people, thats gonna cost a 3rd world gov an awful lot of money, plus its citizens will have to be educated in how to use it, i'm not entirly sure how much they care about how napolian conquored europe, or how the theory of relativity works, they jsut want to know if they can get any food tommorrow.

You guys are convincing about the holagrams. I'm withdrawing my endorsement for this resolution, but I still think that a stcckpile of knowledge is essential to the human race's very survival.

The following report was presented on the RMB of Starship Titanic by one of our members:

We've run analysis through fair dinkum thinkum, and startling result. Two major problems occur.

First problem, all human knowledge highly dangerous to aggressive nations. Human beings think up most creative means of destruction. Linear progress analysis shows most civilizations have 82.3% (deviance rate of 2%) of blowing themselves to Bog and back before enlightenment when knowledge is given not earned.

Suggest weapons of mass destruction (armaments, biological, etc.) be excluded from library or set to restrictive access for non-progressive societies.

Second problem much worse. Copyright extension and creative infringment inevitible when societial memory does not forget. How many notes are there? How many combinations of those notes are pleasing to the human ear? It is not infinate.

Analysis shows new art forms will be discovered, but eventually end is reached. Creativity stagnates as new creations are found to coincidentally be identical to previous works. If new copyright laws do not result, society can maintain for a time by "playing on the theme"

(See: Romeo and Juliet, multiple interpretations IE West Side Story, etc.)

Humanity must be creative, it is inherent to the species. Library has 100% potential to retard societal creatitivity, date unknown, factor depending on number of humans inputting, number of societies participating, years of history stored. No less than 150 years before major problems.

Analysis shows additional problems with library, those are two most major. Suggest strongly that modifications be made, access restricted for historical research, access restricted to destructive information, access restrictioned for fiction progression.

Luna Free States must urge nay vote on library for preservation of mankind, and sanity thereof.

Manuel Garcia O'Kelly
Some long Bog knows title don't want

Transcribed by Marian Three

We the Principality of Elishire and reginal deligate for the Grey Havens would like the the floowing to be addressed.
A concern that we have not seen addressed yet is the issue of who controls the input of the information withing the library. How do we insure that they remain unbaised, and that no attempt is made the skew the information in the library to support a specific political objective.
We also agree with the critisism of the funding of the project. The idea of funding this by donation is misjudged in our opinion. Also there is no provision for the cost of maintenance in the proposal, unless that is to be funded year after year by donation as well; a concept whcih we think is unlikly at best.
We in principle would like to support this resolution, but at the moment, we feel unable to do so unless these concerns are addressed.
If these concerns have been addressed and we have missed the relevant corrispondnce I would like to apologize and ask that I be directed to the relevent doncuments.

Council Member J'fard - UN Ambassador for Elishire

As Great Agnostica has withdrawn their support of their own bill, I think that all reasonable nations should now feel free to do the same.... please!
The Principality of Prachya would like to thank Great Agnostica's wise president for doing the right thing and would like to wish him well in his massive telegramming effort.
It is nice to know that the author of this potential disaster is leading the mission to have it voted down.
Would also like to thank my noble delegate, Mikewill for his continued support.

Sai

Assistant to the Speaker,
Principality of Prachya
HRH Prachya

For the love of anything remotely sacred left on this plane of existence, do NOT vote for this resolution. It is, like so many other resolutions, full of mistakes even a fourth-grader in a remedial English class would catch.

I believe in the general sentiment of the resolution, but I think it's about time we boycott this and any other resolution written as poorly as it is.

Thank you.

P.S. By the way--holographic wrist-watches? What the hell are you talking about, lunatic?

The grammar, and in fact much of the fundamental structure, of the proposal is indeed poor.

Additonally, parts of the idea border on the mad. Holographic wristwatches?

Have tests been done on harmful side-effects, for example?
Are there any reports on pilot projects of these holgraphic 'helpers'?
Who will manufacture these things?

And who will pay for this technology, apparently to be given free to the entire poulation of all nations in the UN?

I am appalled that so many have voted for this.

However, all that said, there is a kernel of a good idea here. Why not a similar project, but simply available for free on the interent? Hosting and paying for such a project would be far cheaper and easier, and most libraries have free internet access so people without computers can have access.

King Kozan

I totally agree with Kozan here. Why waste our money on science fiction, when we already have technology in place that can match our desires so much more quickly--and cheaply?

Forget the Global Library, Ignorance is Bliss. Waste of money I say.

Javistan, UN Delegate

I call for support! Not for this sham of a proposal but from the dedicated Nations who wisely see thru this atrosity. Start contacting all the Nation that voted yes! Hope can we do it? Simple!

Contact everyone on the yes list that has the same starting letter as your own Nation. We should get good coverage that way.

Ramak Oktarb
Prime Minister of Hyperion

Read Isaac Azimov's "Foundation" as an argument for a global library

My opinion is that passing this resolution will lead to a gradual decline into a stagnant mess - how are the writers, artists, scientists, and tertiary institutions going to survive where as soon as they produce something it becomes public property?


On the other hand it is the dream of every artist, authore etc to gain world recognition. With the global library one will be able to access all works produced snd purchase them for personal use. I have often read books from the library and purchased those which I find to be of some merit.

WHERE IS THE PROFIT??? This is a half-brained scheme. Sure it provides instant access to ANY resource, but it would be expensive like none other. The costs of keeping it running are astronomical. How could you ever propose something like this. It would not only reduce coffers by huge amounts of money, but it would raise taxes by huge amounts to constantly pay for it. It would actually probably reduce happiness. Ecspecially in poorer countries that are in the UN. A proposal like this would destroy them since they would be forced to pay for it. It also decreases profits made by authors. Even though they get recognition, why would the average person buy a book they could read for free? The same goes for all other resources hosted by this menace of a public structure

EDIT

Sorry Green Israel, I'm just ranting about poor UN proposals (see below post) :mad:

WHERE IS THE PROFIT??? This is a half-brained scheme. Sure it provides instant access to ANY resource, but it would be expensive like none other. The costs of keeping it running are astronomical. How could you ever propose something like this. It would not only reduce coffers by huge amounts of money, but it would raise taxes by huge amounts to constantly pay for it. It would actually probably reduce happiness. Ecspecially in poorer countries that are in the UN. A proposal like this would destroy them since they would be forced to pay for it. It also decreases profits made by authors. Even though they get recognition, why would the average person buy a book they could read for free? The same goes for all other resources hosted by this menace of a public structure
if you read some part of the thread, you will know that the author think as same. ha change his mind and he want to repeal it, but maybe that too late, since there is 2500 votes that let the proposal the win.

All this resolution does is cost money,which means more people starwing to death,just to build a stupid library.All the people need to know is that I am their supreme ruler,and what will happen to them if they dare to oppose me.Libraries and schools are nothing but a waste of money which could be spent on more important things like military,Law and Order commite and my personal welfare.I will not pass the resolution.

Libraries are good and all, but I feel that the technology necessary to support such a project is far too expensive. I'd support legislation for more libraries, but I can't support this one, based on the holographic technology. Also, I feel like some of the grammtical errors are too glaring to pass the resolution, although that in and of itself is not my main motivation for encouraging others to vote against it.

This resolution is, as it was put earlier far too expensive, and what the proposer fails to see is that it will eventuallry lead to the downfall of their educational and research syatem. As all information becomes free for the asking and no one is made to take responsibility for assuming unearned knowledge, you will end up with a Jurassic Park Issue. Building on someone else's work without achieving the self discipline to understand it and the consequences of useing it. Things never stop where they are supposed too,

Its like training a child how to use a gun but failing to inform them that if they shoot themselves they might be hurt or die. Besides I do not want to shoulder the burden of paying for this technological marvel.

Vastiva notes that the proposal says they will first raise enough funds and then start construction. It also states all funds are by donation only.

As the cost is several googleplex USD, Vastiva projects the project will never be begun.

Interesting way to self-defeat a proposition.

Can't believe I didn't pick up on this. That's awesome. I don't know if the game mechanics will see things that way though :(

I voted against this one because it didn't seem to be practical at all. A library that contains all books existant as well as magazines news paper articles etc. would be veery expensive. like you have no idea how expensive that would be. Not to mention the library would have to be about the size of Mexico.. really impractical. And to put one in every UN country? I don't think that's really possible

not to mention the fact that, now that every book in human existance is availble for free would the writing industry greatly decline?

The Global Library
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.

Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Great Agnostica

Description: This Resolution hereby say’s that we instate a system to put all human knowledge in to it. It will be called the Global Library. It will be Free and it will be accessible to all. The information that will be within the libraries are the News, All Books, Medicine Reports, Magazines, Laws of Every Nation and their Local Governments, and finally Biographies on some the most influential people during human history.

Now these libraries will be located in all member nations in their most popular cities. There is will be also a new Technology within these Libraries which is called Holographic imaging. A holographic image will appear of a person and it will help you find what you are looking for and once you do it will turn into what you want you’re self.

For the people that live far from the library they will be getting another new technology that is called the Holographic wrist band. It is the same thing as in the library except it is for on the go. All they have to do is come once and get one or call and ask for it to be shipped (free of charge) to them.

Finally the cost of this. We will pay for this by donation. There will a goal to be set and once we reach it we can start building.


Votes For: 5,600

Votes Against: 2,970

[Delegate Votes]

Voting Ends: Fri Jan 7 2005


Anyone else notice that this is in the wrong catagory?

If we do do this...all the pitiful capitalist nations will have this "Global Library" riddled with fake and untrue lies, saying capitalism and liberalism are progressive forces and are the key to our future!!?!?! i will not stand for this propaganda spewing mess! :mad:

The logistics do not exist for this kind of undertaking. the developement for this kind of technology and free distribution is mind blowing. Lets also keep in mind that many people are still illiterate. We would prefer a cheaper paper/ internet version of this library. It is because of this that the United Socialist States of Lugdunensis withdraws its vote.

Anyone else notice that this is in the wrong catagory?

Maybe the thinking behind it is that in communist/totalitarian states, the government controls (and thereby restricts) information, making libraries part of the furtherment of democracy...

I do agree, it's a tad bit of a stretch, though.

It seems like everyone else has said it, but this isn't that realistic of a resolution. Judging purely on its merits, a few problems jump out. In terms of cost, there is no way ANY major library will be funded by donations - especially this large. Electricity, staff, book purchases, buildings - not to mention the huge price of the new technology - must all be paid for. Also, it's impossible to effectively get all books ever printed there. Finally, the sponsor has voted against it.

And yet it's still winning. Please, God, Fractals, Random Chance, or whatever you believe controls the fate of the universe, don't let this resolution pass.

I have no idea why this resolution is winning, even though there seems to be overwhelming support against it in the forums. It doesn't make sense to me. Please, please, please think it through before you vote. You'll notice that this resolution needs to be defeated.

I still don't see the use of this resolution. If nations want to have more stored universal knowlegde then it's their decision. This should be a project, with organized funding rather then 'donations'. Not an obligation.

The funny thing behind this entire impossible resolution, is that such an idea already exists?

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone had these machines, we'll call them computers, and they could all be interconnected by this vast world wide web of some sort, that we'll dub the inter-net. It's ingenious. Yes, we should make websites that hold all periodicals, news articles, magazine articles ever published (Perhaps some of you have heard of Proquest? There's probably hundreds of online databases just like it, but it's the one I know of). Yes, there should be huge book stores that contain every book ever written, maybe Amazon or Barnes and Nobles, just spitting out names here.

Not only is this plan unfeasable, but it would be recreating the internet all over again for no reason.

Will this result in and end to the print industries?

Why buy a book or paper if the Library has a subscription to all print news medias, and electronic copies of all published texts, that can be accessed by anyone anywhere?

Why be a writer or journalist if sales of publications will not be such that any hope of making a living off of the text exists?

How will this hinder business industries whose patents will be voided by a system that provides their knowledge for free to all?


a similar occurance has happened with such drastic change. when the photocopying machine first came out, people asked the same question, and the same thing was proposed reguarding music with file sharing. both industries are in awesome condition.

--The Dominion of Wentworthian Hegemon

I really would not have a problem with this suggestion if it weren't for the Holographic Projector tidbits. I believe that would cost an incredibly larger amount of money than people would be willing to donate. It is also rather unlikely that such devices as these wristbands can be given to everyone, and be able to prject images big enough for the data to be received.

If you knew of something that already has this technology at this large of a scale, i would be fine with it.

I find nothing wrong with a permanent source of information, since websites tend to come and go. Again, its just the amount of technology you are implying we use.

I firmly surrport this idea! Think of how it could benifit the world!

Are you aware the author of the resolution has realized how utterly impractical this idea is and no longer supports it?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386672

Are you aware the author of the resolution has realized how utterly impractical this idea is and no longer supports it?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386672

Yes I am aware, but who cares, besides, look at how many votes are in favor it. My nation is in full surrport of this prodject.

Not to sound paranoid, but has anyone confirmed that the person who proposed it is the same person who is now asking for it to be scrapped? That his nation has not been hacked or abused in anyway to write a post asking for it to be downed?

Just curious :}

Why would everyone need to create this vast wonderful library? Hasn't anyone here heard about the internet???

Nothing like setting aside alot of cash and building a ridiculous bureacracy creating someone's wet dream when a practical tool already exists.

What a waste of a proposal.

Why would everyone need to create this vast wonderful library? Hasn't anyone here heard about the internet???

Nothing like setting aside alot of cash and building a ridiculous bureacracy creating someone's wet dream when a practical tool already exists.

What a waste of a proposal.


this libray would make the internet look like William Hung, a Joke! Its the future!

Are we resolved then? It appears this resolution will indeed pass, and I say we make a proposal to immediately repeal the act if it passes. After all, the project will not start until the donation goal is met, so it does no harm while the resolution hibernates in the mean time.

This Global Library idea is an excellent idea. I truly believe that it will aid in bringing nations together, as far as intelligence goes. Most certainly, we as governments can work together more efficiently should a crisis or problem arise since we will share information.

Still, I will have to agree with Avoden on their comment concerning the cost of holographic technology. Yes, it is a good idea, but is it absolutely necessary?

Also, does this resolution urge states to make all documents and literature etc. public and to be shared by the world? Won't this in a way mess with the sovereignty of individual states? I believe there should be a way that we could allow states to keep private selective information. Yet this also could create problems too.

Are we resolved then? It appears this resolution will indeed pass, and I say we make a proposal to immediately repeal the act if it passes. After all, the project will not start until the donation goal is met, so it does no harm while the resolution hibernates in the mean time.

(smirk) I can just picture it now.

Repeal on the grounds that the original proposer realised it would not work, but it passed anyway.

Is that an acceptable reason to repeal it? Cause the proposer wanted it thrown out?

Correction: Aoden not Avoden ... sorry :)

I really would not have a problem with this suggestion if it weren't for the Holographic Projector tidbits. I believe that would cost an incredibly larger amount of money than people would be willing to donate. It is also rather unlikely that such devices as these wristbands can be given to everyone, and be able to prject images big enough for the data to be received.

If you knew of something that already has this technology at this large of a scale, i would be fine with it.

I find nothing wrong with a permanent source of information, since websites tend to come and go. Again, its just the amount of technology you are implying we use.
Oh c'mon!
I supported your resolution for Tsunami Relief!

What does it matter if the sponsor is now against this one? Vote in favor of it.

Think of the chiiiiildren!

(smirk) I can just picture it now.

Repeal on the grounds that the original proposer realised it would not work, but it passed anyway.

Is that an acceptable reason to repeal it? Cause the proposer wanted it thrown out?
Even better: Have him write it.

Yes I am aware, but who cares, besides, look at how many votes are in favor it. My nation is in full surrport of this prodject.


This is the lamest reason I have ever heard to support a proposal.

There has been some talk about "whats the harm in all this... if its by donation". Well after reading every page of this thread, I'd have to say that the harm has been clearly identified by a number of nations, DemonLordEnigima especially ( I think thats their name).

The biggest threat is the fact that certain nations might actually put money into this doomed project.... Has anyone ever heard of a Red Herring (sp?) ? What I mean to say is that this project can never be finished, It is simply to broad in scope.

As far as The Principality of Prachya is concerned, we can spend that money to help feed the poor, fight Aids, create an Earthquake early warning system, or even encourage literacy!

A person can only read so much and really, only the elite in this world have time to read at all. Every nation that would want such a library, already has a variety of books, and most nations have their own libraries. In my country our libraries already stock nearly every book in print! What cannot be obtained physicaly can be obtained via internet.
Why do we want to waist our money like this? This is so foolish I cannot comprehend why people are supporting it.

Sai

Good idea.....TERRIBLE RESOLUTION....whole thing needs to go back to scratch, reworded, rethought etc...

Besides the fact that some ideas in it are unreasonable, the very idea behind it is flawed.

Firstly, any library is supposed to be unbiased. When the money supporting the program depends on countries then the fact comes down to that when any serious reporting that shows the ugly truth in a kingdom, it will go up in arms over libe charges and etc. and demand the material censored. As one of its sponsors that will place the library into a submissive position.

Secondly, a library like this would encourage governments to abandon their libraries. Many public libraries would die as their funding is drained. The library would destroy alternate viewpoints as all material would be controlled by one censor board.

Thirdly, a library like that would prove useless to many readers. Each country has populations with different needs. A library on the general knowledge has no use for farmers looking up agriculture practices, artists, looking up brushstrokes. In fact the only major users of the library would be international lawers, a small precentage of the total population. Rather then a huge project to benefit a few and hurt many, we should keep the present libraries and create a meathod to share resources, or use the internet.

In my view this is a huge bureaucratic project with little good and much harm. It ideal is good and we need issues addressing literacy, however there are much better ways to do it.

I can't comphrend how this has managed to get 6,000+ yes votes! :gundge:

Well it looks like I will have to write a part two.

Is there no way to do a recall before voting finishes?

Nope.

I'm pretty surprised it hasn't been deleted.

It's very much the wrong category (you could conceivably fit it into this box, but really it fits a whole lot better elsewhere), it's grammatically incorrect, and it makes no sense (it's trying to legislate technology into existance! what).

I'm pretty surprised it hasn't been deleted.

It's very much the wrong category (you could conceivably fit it into this box, but really it fits a whole lot better elsewhere), it's grammatically incorrect, and it makes no sense (it's trying to legislate technology into existance! what).

Then what category then?

I can't comphrend how this has managed to get 6,000+ yes votes! Because most UN members don't read the forum and just vote blindly.