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Hello! Okay I know you are most likely tired of people trying to get gay marriage abolished, right. I thought so. I have submitted a proposal to change the definition of marriage. Hear me out. I am not trying to do away with it completely I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country. The UN should not have a say in it. My resolution is the same as the Definition of Marriage accepted now but instead of the UN saying gay marriage is okay or okay the members say its okay or wrong for their own country. The people of the nation of Chocolate Bar beg you to vote for it.If you do thank you so much! If you don't thank you for reading this far. :D

Here is my proposal.



Repeal "Definition of Marriage"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #81
Proposed by: Chocolate Bar

Description: UN Resolution #81: Definition of Marriage (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Description:The resolution #81 Definition of Marriage should be struck void.


The UN Hereby:

DEFINES marriage as the civil joining of any member of any nation with any other member of any nation,regardless of race,religion,or color.

RECOGNIZES The members of the UN right to make their own decisions regarding people of the same gender marrying each other.The UN should not make laws about that topic.The UN should not interfere with the decisions.

Approvals: 2 (The Kingsland, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 145 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Thu Dec 30 2004
:)

Obviously can't be bothered to read the other two resolutions that do the same thing.

Request denied.

First off, repealing a resolution only removes the resolution's effect it cannot enact new legislation. Secondly, in order to truly return marriage laws to the control of the individual nations the "Gay Rights" resolution must also be repealed as it states "We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations."

Let's not forget the Universal Bill of Rights, which states

Article 4 -- All human beings have the right to be treated equally under the law of any member nation.

Obviously, not allowing people to marry just because they are gay and trying to marry their sexual preference is not equal treatment.

Hey, that's my reasoning as to why the gay rights resolution and subsequent definition of marriage are unecessary.:p

Choco,

It's me, TD. I voted for your resolution.

Keep up the good work.

We first must recognize that marriage has two definitions which are fairly separate:

1) The religious binding of two individuals for the purposes implied by the religion under which they are united. ("to love, cherish...")

2) The legal uniting of two individuals and the granting of the implied legal status (joint taxes, next-of-kin...)


Many of the arguments, especially those which use logic that says "... next people will want to marry their pets...", made against gay marriage are attacking the first definition. By separation of church and state, the state has no jurisdiction whatsoever in matters of religious union. None. If "The 1st Church of Dogdom" wanted to marry a man and his dog under their church then it could by all means. We'd all think they were pretty stupid for doing so and probably would give the guy who married his dog a weird look - I would - but the point remains that it could be done.

When defining gay marriage, the state can only alter the second definition. Some issues, like joint taxes, could be changed if that is the desired effect. But other issues, like next-of-kin are tougher subjects. If the state mandates who a citizen can name as a family relation then the state is effectively mandating what types of family lines can be created, something which is getting close to stepping over more freedom of religion lines.

I would support a repeal, but the legislation that replaces the amendment must protect the universal status of many of the legal rights conferred by marriage, such as next-of-kin and other rights relating to the formation of a family.

Matthias Betsworth
UN Delegate for the Allied States of New Larson

'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

I am not trying to put any gay couples down but wouldn't it be nice to stop all these repeals and not get rid of completely but make some of the arguments dissolve you all can vote for or ban it in your own country but the UN should not make laws about such a heated topic it really divides the UN

I am not treating the gay couples badly i am trying to give the UN a break I am still within the universal bill of rights

It doesn't divide the UN. The people making all of the repeals are a minority of the UN members, and they are the same minority who get overruled with just about every resolution. All they are is the people that would like to be in control but keep getting stomped on.

I am not trying to put any gay couples down but wouldn't it be nice to stop all these repeals and not get rid of completely but make some of the arguments dissolve you all can vote for or ban it in your own country but the UN should not make laws about such a heated topic it really divides the UN
Considering the issue is granting people equal rights I'm all for passing laws on heated topics.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

divided means not whole and the decision made about before isn't whole

divided means not whole and the decision made about before isn't whole
None of the resolutions passed at 100% and I doubt any have gone without a reapeal attempt at some point.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

divided means not whole and the decision made about before isn't whole

The UN is as close to a true democracy without being an anarchy you can get. Nothing will ever be fully agreed upon by it. The question is just how many people were on each side and if enough were to warrant reconsideration. In this case, not enough on the opposing side to warrant reconsideration.

Sorry you are not a delegate so your opinion doesn't matter ;)

No, but one of my puppets is. Therefore my opinion does matter.

'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'
I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country.

If you do not like the decisions that the UN makes, I suggest resigning, because making resolutions that pass for ALL of the UN nations is basically what the UN is all about. It creates peace between the nations because we have agreed on what laws are right and wrong. It's not just for power-hungry people who want to be delegates of their nation.

I, therefore do not support this repeal/proposal (since it seems to be both).

'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'
I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country.

If you do not like the decisions that the UN makes, I suggest resigning, because making resolutions that pass for ALL of the UN nations is basically what the UN is all about. It creates peace between the nations because we have agreed on what laws are right and wrong. It's not just for power-hungry people who want to be delegates of their nation.

I, therefore do not support this repeal/proposal (since it seems to be both).

'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'
I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country.

If you do not like the decisions that the UN makes, I suggest resigning, because making resolutions that pass for ALL of the UN nations is basically what the UN is all about. It creates peace between the nations because we have agreed on what laws are right and wrong. It's not just for power-hungry people who want to be delegates of their nation.

I, therefore do not support this repeal/proposal (since it seems to be both).

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black New World
'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'



Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocolate Bar
I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country.



If you do not like the decisions that the UN makes, I suggest resigning, because making resolutions that pass for ALL of the UN nations is basically what the UN is all about. It creates peace between the nations because we have agreed on what laws are right and wrong. It's not just for power-hungry people who want to be delegates of their nation.

I, therefore do not support this repeal/proposal (since it seems to be both).

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Today, 4:08 AM #20
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Originally Posted by The Black New World
'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'



Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocolate Bar
I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country.



If you do not like the decisions that the UN makes, I suggest resigning, because making resolutions that pass for ALL of the UN nations is basically what the UN is all about. It creates peace between the nations because we have agreed on what laws are right and wrong. It's not just for power-hungry people who want to be delegates of their nation.

I, therefore do not support this repeal/proposal (since it seems to be both).

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Today, 4:30 AM #21
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Posts: 15 Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black New World
'Oppression, a decision every country should make for it's self'



Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocolate Bar
I am only trying to make it the members of the UN decision for their own country.



If you do not like the decisions that the UN makes, I suggest resigning, because making resolutions that pass for ALL of the UN nations is basically what the UN is all about. It creates peace between the nations because we have agreed on what laws are right and wrong. It's not just for power-hungry people who want to be delegates of their nation.

I, therefore do not support this repeal/proposal (since it seems to be both).





Stop posting every thing over and over again and i don't think you know what your talking about so stop talking there are things that the UN doesn't nedd to stick their noses in that is what my repeal is about and also LordEnigmaLord {not sure about spelling} your opinion doesn't count you are a founder not a delegate so I don't fear your "puppet". How would you even have a puppet unless you have two nations in the UN which you can get kicked out for :)

*yawn*

*adds to list of names of people who "didn't read the faq before joining the UN" (2nd ed)*

You can't propose and repeal at the same time. Your arguement for repeal is "I wanna do what I wanna do in my country", which is not valid - you checked your national soverignty at the door when you tapped the "join UN" button.

Eh, I'm not worried, hasn't a hope in hell of passing.

...particularly as you're insulting delegates. ;)

Stop posting every thing over and over again and i don't think you know what your talking about so stop talking there are things that the UN doesn't nedd to stick their noses in that is what my repeal is about and also LordEnigmaLord {not sure about spelling} your opinion doesn't count you are a founder not a delegate so I don't fear your "puppet". How would you even have a puppet unless you have two nations in the UN which you can get kicked out for :)

You do realize that the founder of a region does not have to be a UN member, right? Every nation in the region I founded is a puppet of mine. My UN puppet is in a different region anyway.

Just to give you some fun, look for regions with the word "Furcadia" in their name. If you know anything about the god Apsu, you'll figure out which nation in the correct region is mine.

Given the growing liberal propagandist legislation (noting specifically resolution #80) that allows for loopholes and violations of international law and is completely illegal to begin with (such as forcing 'morals' onto a nation), I herby have decided to resign my post in the United Nations and as regional delegate. It is also herby known that I will be ordering an overhaul of my already astonishing military, just in case any
commies :sniper:
want to try and force their will on me from within the U.N. infrastructure.
Anyone else sick of these same problems, I encourage you to resign your posts and thus send a message to the international community.

God bless us all.

-Ninjadom Revival

Given the growing liberal propagandist legislation (noting specifically resolution #80) that allows for loopholes and violations of international law and is completely illegal to begin with (such as forcing 'morals' onto a nation), I herby have decided to resign my post in the United Nations and as regional delegate. It is also herby known that I will be ordering an overhaul of my already astonishing military, just in case any
commies :sniper:
want to try and force their will on me from within the U.N. infrastructure.
Anyone else sick of these same problems, I encourage you to resign your posts and thus send a message to the international community.

God bless us all.

-Ninjadom Revival

I would advise the door, but the window is quicker. It also skips the nasty 17 stories of stairs. Here, let me help you out.

The trend you speak of is nothing new. It's always been around. You're just now noticing it.

Given the growing liberal propagandist legislation (noting specifically resolution #80) that allows for loopholes and violations of international law and is completely illegal to begin with (such as forcing 'morals' onto a nation), I herby have decided to resign my post in the United Nations and as regional delegate. It is also herby known that I will be ordering an overhaul of my already astonishing military, just in case any
commies :sniper:
want to try and force their will on me from within the U.N. infrastructure.
Anyone else sick of these same problems, I encourage you to resign your posts and thus send a message to the international community.

God bless us all.

-Ninjadom Revival

"Commies" make up a significant minority of the NSUN. Most NSUN nations are Federalist Regimes and Dictatorships like yourself.

Us Free Republics and Democratics are in the minority.

Given the growing liberal propagandist legislation (noting specifically resolution #80) that allows for loopholes and violations of international law and is completely illegal to begin with (such as forcing 'morals' onto a nation), I herby have decided to resign my post in the United Nations and as regional delegate. It is also herby known that I will be ordering an overhaul of my already astonishing military, just in case any
commies :sniper:
want to try and force their will on me from within the U.N. infrastructure.
Anyone else sick of these same problems, I encourage you to resign your posts and thus send a message to the international community.

God bless us all.

-Ninjadom Revival

Dibs on his stapler. :p

Given the growing liberal propagandist legislation (noting specifically resolution #80) that allows for loopholes and violations of international law and is completely illegal to begin with (such as forcing 'morals' onto a nation), I herby have decided to resign my post in the United Nations and as regional delegate. It is also herby known that I will be ordering an overhaul of my already astonishing military, just in case any
commies :sniper:
want to try and force their will on me from within the U.N. infrastructure.
Anyone else sick of these same problems, I encourage you to resign your posts and thus send a message to the international community.

God bless us all.

-Ninjadom Revival

TRANSLATION:

"I had my office near the window and then they moved my desk here, and I couldn't see the window anymore and the squirels I watched, and they were married and then they wanted to change the staplers to the boston but I liked my swinline and I wouldn't change it, and I had to keep insisting and I told them I would burn the building down..."

:LOL:

Given the growing liberal propagandist legislation (noting specifically resolution #80) that allows for loopholes and violations of international law and is completely illegal to begin with (such as forcing 'morals' onto a nation), I herby have decided to resign my post in the United Nations and as regional delegate. It is also herby known that I will be ordering an overhaul of my already astonishing military, just in case any
commies :sniper:
want to try and force their will on me from within the U.N. infrastructure.
Anyone else sick of these same problems, I encourage you to resign your posts and thus send a message to the international community.

God bless us all.

-Ninjadom Revival
I get his desk chair, mine squeaks too much.:D

Wait, I throw him out a window and you guys steal his office equipment without giving me a cut?

Oh, well. I already stole all of his pens and didn't want anything else anyway.

So, who gets what's left?

Though we believe in the right of free speach, and value a heated and logical debate's ability to provide clarity: we cannot see any value in this discussion. This repeal (attempt at a modification) is pure banality. A repeal attempt of gay rights will have trouble recieving even 20 votes, rather then enough for quarum. We will ignore all repeal efforts of such a nature. We would also recommend that care is taken by all member nations to read the history of other proposals and to spend some time understanding the resolution one is trying to repeal.
There seems to be a great deal of time waisted by this extremist minority on resolutions that are so poorly written and concieved that in a court of law they would simply be rendered useless. If a nation cares about an issue enough, they must take the time to reach as many ears as possible, they must allow their bill to go through the process of debate and editing in the forums.
Furthermore, we take great offence at the member for Chocolate Bar's assertion that the opinion of a non delegate is irrelevant. We do not have delegate status, nor do we require it. We believe we have the ear of our very powerful delegate and have very close relations with many other delegates. All opinion matters, especially when one is not aware of whom one is speaking too. Your repeal motion, and all repeal efforts on this matter are irrelevent.
Ashdi
Principality of Prachya