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The Ban of Canned Hunts

A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: Gallindrea

Description: The Most Serene Republic of Gallindrea proposes that the UN ban so-called "canned hunts," wherein, one or more type of animal is placed within a confined (i.e. fenced-in) segment of land, whether a few acres or several miles, so that hunters who pay a pre-determined fee, may then enter the area and hunt the animals who have no chance of escape.

In essence, canned hunts bring to terrible life the statement, "like shooting fish in a barrel." This type of cruel "entertainment" is utterly deplorable, and should not be tolerated by Green (i.e. environmentally-friendly) nations. I call upon you, the Liberal Left, to bring respect, dignity and honor back to the animals with whom we share this planet.

For the sake of the world's wildlife, help The Most Serene Republic of Gallindrea ban canned hunts. Thank you.

Approvals: 14 (WZ Forums, Melmond, No Breaks, Finaco, Booniapolis, Clint the mercyful, Ghigha, JS Nijmegen, Krowhe, Dafidutopia, The Fallen Fairies, 1 Infinite Loop, Andorista, Faithful Servants)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 132 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Dec 24 2004

Wow! someone actually had the courtesy to post the proposal along with their request for approvals. I'm impressed, I'm shocked, I'm amazed, I'm stunned, I better get on with my impression of the proposal.:D
Delegates, please help!

The Ban of Canned Hunts

A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: Gallindrea

Description: The Most Serene Republic of Gallindrea proposes that the UN ban so-called "canned hunts," wherein, one or more type of animal is placed within a confined (i.e. fenced-in) segment of land, whether a few acres or several miles, so that hunters who pay a pre-determined fee, may then enter the area and hunt the animals who have no chance of escape.
As my nation consists of a group of islands any hunts could be considered to be within a confined space.

In essence, canned hunts bring to terrible life the statement, "like shooting fish in a barrel." This type of cruel "entertainment" is utterly deplorable, and should not be tolerated by Green (i.e. environmentally-friendly) nations. I call upon you, the Liberal Left, to bring respect, dignity and honor back to the animals with whom we share this planet.I don't like the fact that you are implying here that only "Green" nations and the "Liberal Left" would support this proposal primarily because I don't consider myself to be part of the "Liberal Left" (I'm more of a centerist with leanings to the right) and only consider myself to be slightly "Green."

For the sake of the world's wildlife, help The Most Serene Republic of Gallindrea ban canned hunts. Thank you.

Approvals: 14 (WZ Forums, Melmond, No Breaks, Finaco, Booniapolis, Clint the mercyful, Ghigha, JS Nijmegen, Krowhe, Dafidutopia, The Fallen Fairies, 1 Infinite Loop, Andorista, Faithful Servants)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 132 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Dec 24 2004

I like the idea, it could use a little work, but I'd probably approve it if I was a delegate.

Enn cannot support this. Hunting is only allowed within specific, fenced areas, involving animals that are quite capable of defending themselves (such as the national animal, the guivre. That's not something you want to let loose).
Mind you, no guns are allowed, only spears, javelins, bows and arrows and other 'primitive' weaponry.

Canned hunts do provide a venue so as to keep mankind out of areas where they would otherwise hunt animals and disturb ecosystems.

In other words, creating a habitat similar to an animals wild habitat, and allowing hunters to enter that area, prevents disturbing a natural environment, and lowers the ocurance of non-hunters and other animals accidentally being injured.

I don't like the fact that you are implying here that only "Green" nations and the "Liberal Left" would support this proposal primarily because I don't consider myself to be part of the "Liberal Left" (I'm more of a centerist with leanings to the right) and only consider myself to be slightly "Green.
I agree.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

An excellent idea to identify your target audience within the proposal. I mean, only wacko leftist nations will support this anyway.

I cant stand all you animal loving, tree hugging lefties!!!! The answer is NO! :upyours:

I cant stand all you animal loving, tree hugging lefties!!!! The answer is NO! :upyours:
Yeah, it's this sort of rational, polite, and reasonable response that makes you one of the most admired Ambassadors in the UN. Grace us with a few more nuggets of wisdom, oh wise and mighty Irish Brotherhood - we're all sitting on the edge of our seats awaiting the next Churchill-like pronouncement from you.

Yeah, it's this sort of rational, polite, and reasonable response that makes you one of the most admired Ambassadors in the UN. Grace us with a few more nuggets of wisdom, oh wise and mighty Irish Brotherhood - we're all sitting on the edge of our seats awaiting the next Churchill-like pronouncement from you.

Thanx, I'll take that as a compliment except for the Churchill comparison...he was an arse****! Im just not into animal rights! Why should an animal have rights? We dont think about it when we are sitting down to a nice big juicy steak do we?

Thanx, I'll take that as a compliment
It wasn't intended as one.

It wasn't intended as one.

Yeah...I know! :rolleyes:

Thanx, I'll take that as a compliment except for the Churchill comparison...he was an arse****! Im just not into animal rights! Why should an animal have rights? We dont think about it when we are sitting down to a nice big juicy steak do we?
You know humans are animals, right?

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Humans are different from animals

If I were a UN delegate I'd approve it in a heartbeat but if it does make the voting thing, i'll vote yes.

If I were a UN delegate I'd approve it in a heartbeat but if it does make the voting thing, i'll vote yes.

I think Im surrounded by people from Pleasantville or something! Theres no way all you people can be this nicey nice, goody two shoes, animal rights activists!!

Humans are different from animals
They are merely a different type of animal.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

You know what? Who cares......really? Tell me! Just tell me what the uproar about animal rights is about?? We kill them for food! Do we give them the choice to offer themselves up to our dinner plate? Nope! To me thats a complete lack of rights for the animal! Don't you think?

Yeah we kill them for food, other animals kill animals for food as well. That doesn’t mean we have to be unnecessarily cruel about their treatment when they are alive, in the way that they die, or why they are killed.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

In our country, canned hunts are used in the wintertime, which we have found to be beneficial to all concerned.

The animals in question do not over-populate; those not chosen for the hunt are then assured of adequate foraging and food during the winter.

No animals younger than 4 years old are selected.

No nests or dens or other breeding areas are intruded upon and/or disturbed by the hunt.

The damage done by trampling hunters is contained and minimized.

All animals killed in the hunt are used as food by the surrounding population.

I do not see much difference between a canned hunt and an annual thinning of the herd, except for the former being a great excuse for a hella weekend party. We've assured the health and prosperity of next years' herd, the guys get their testosterone all up and the girls get some great sex afterward. Seems like a win-win-win situation to us.

We are all for stopping cruelty to animals - but do not find this practice to be particularly cruel. On the contrary, we find this practice to satisfy several needs of our constituents all in one fell swoop, with no demonstrable cruelty to anyone or thing.

Yeah we kill them for food, other animals kill animals for food as well. That doesn’t mean we have to be unnecessarily cruel about their treatment when they are alive, in the way that they die, or why they are killed.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

What The Black New World said, and add that we have an uncanny ability at manipulating/slash destroying natural ecosystems. So, we can affect other animals on a scale they are incapable of inflicting on themselves and others. Therefore, if we are not acting out of necessity, our actions do invoke a duty not to unecessarily elliminate other animals.

Personally, I do not see the problem here, as long as "canned hunts" take place in a large enough area. As someone said earlier, as long as the kill isn't unnecessarily cruel, it's better than letting people hunt in wild areas and potentially disturb the wild ecosystems. Lesser of two evils.

I cannot support this proposal. Canned hunts are the only way my nation can contain certain animal species, some of whom are quite capable of taking down entire regiments using their natural weapons.