NationStates Jolt Archive

Been looking at Nationstates for awhile

and it seems like the UN always passes, never voting a proposel down.

i don't know

what do you other nations think of the un

It doesn’t pass all resolutions.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

It's just that failed resolutions aren't listed.

There is a list of failed resolutions in the Unofficial UN Timeline (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/UN_Timeline).

Case in point: the most recent proposal to reach quorum failed.

what do you other nations think of the un

I think nations in the UN who make observations should take time research before they throw out generalizations like yours.

But if you look at the "Rights of Women and Minorities" resolution you can see where they are coming from :}

Yeah! But some resolutions are just crap! Some don't make any sense and others are just stupid. Whoever made the crap ones I and my friends don't like... Ha! Ha! Ha! :mad: And I'm coming for you! :sniper:

SEPHTORIA?

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

I think nations in the UN who make observations should take time research before they throw out generalizations like yours.

There's more truth to this "generalization" than you're giving credit for. And besides, he presented it in a fairly open way, as a question, I see no need to jump on him about it.

Actually, the observation is not unwarranted: there are many more resolutions that pass than fail. This is probably most accurately attributed to the system by which proposals are brought to the floor. It's because proposals need 140 approvals to even Get to the floor. This just shows the Max's game mechanics are working: proposals that reach the floor have the most substance, and the largest base of support. The system eliminates junk proposals.

Plus, there is a lemming tendency in UN votes. Players heavily involved in regional or forum RP aspects of the game often don't have time or interest to read entire UN proposals and weigh the pros and cons of them. These players, I think, tend vote with the majority, or off their intial impression of the title.

Which is why it is very rare when you see a resolution suddenly turn the other way, like last week's repeal.

In general, if it's good enough to get 145+ approvals, it's going to pass. Especially since the most active Delegates are often those with the most votes. (Example: Pixiedance - 686 votes during the repeal)

The UN passed 13 resolutions before finally getting around to failing it's first one. Then they failed three in a row. You just don't see all of them any more because a good 7 of them were pulled out during the Jolt Move. Apparently the Mods were taking a vacation for that month-and-a-half.

The UN passed 13 resolutions before finally getting around to failing it's first one. Then they failed three in a row. You just don't see all of them any more because a good 7 of them were pulled out during the Jolt Move. Apparently the Mods were taking a vacation for that month-and-a-half.
This is wrong on so many levels, Hersfold ...

First, we don't have records of failures prior to the forum purge in summer 03. For all I know, they could have been pass/fail all the way up until then.

Second, there were no mods at the time those 7 illegals were passed. That's part of why Max instituted a moderation staff.

Third, Enodia created the "Enodian Protocols" long after those were passed, in large part as a response to materials they had no way to remove. It took some major code-monkey work to get rid of them, which is why they waited until they had a forced extended outage.

Fourth, the rules continue to evolve in response to newer problems and discoveries. Check the edit dates on "Before you make a proposal" sometime.


The reason this one turned around is because of several concurrent telegram campaigns. I know you were part of one, and I suspect CACE had a highly orchestrated one (though that could be one and the same). I think I also got some other telegrams from independents who wanted the repeal. I can't imagine any well-organized campaign sending multiples to a single "repeal" vote (which I never changed, BTW).

Active political campaigning made this resolution defeat work. There's a lesson there if anyone wants to pick it up and run with it.