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Bullet Control Bill
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control

Decision: Tighten
Proposed by: Nihilistic Robots

Description:
Article I:
AWARE that some member states strongly believe in the citizens' right to bear firearms,

NOTING WITH REGRET that firearms are commonly used in criminal acts, resulting in death of victims or innocent bystanders,

UNDERSTANDING the citizens' right to defend their homes against trespassers,

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION the current availability and the improving effectiveness of weapons that use non-lethal methods in subduing criminals,

AWARE of the belief of some member states on the citizens' right to own collections of assorted firearms,

OBSERVING that firearms can be, and are often regarded as, shining examples of excellent mechanical design,

NOTING WITH REGRET the incidences of deaths, accidental or intentional, due to unproperly kept firearms finding their way into the possession of a minor or a person with malicious intent,

ALSO NOTING that an unloaded firearm is much more benign,

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS urges all member states to impose a one hundred thousand percent (100,000%) bullet control tax, based on manufacturing costs, on all firearm ammunitions sold for non-government use.

Article II:
AWARE that there are livelihoods that are dependent on the use of firearms, the tax will exempted on the the following individuals:

1.) licensed shooting instructors, and professional shooters, with no limit to amount purchased.
2.) licensed hunters and members of licensed security agencies, and registered members of a licensed gun club or a licensed shooting range facility, with a maximum non-taxed limit of 200 shots purchased per annum.
3.) licensed owners of businesses, but with a maximum non-taxed limit of 20 shots purchased per annum.

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS ALSO RECOMMENDS that the revenue collected by the member states be used in supporting national programs advocating mandatory gun safety awareness for gun owners and gun club members, proper evaluations for national license applicants, enforcement of local gun control laws, strict supervision of ammunition production and trade, proper local monitoring of non-taxed limits of citizens with exemptions, internationally or locally coordinated crackdowns on illegal ammunition sales and strict adherance by establishments that deal in firearms.

Whoa, nice one :)

Upon passage of such a law, all bullets sold in the nation of Frisbeeteria would henceforth be free of charge. Taxation in any percentage would be multiplication of zeros.

Of course, our manufacturers, distributors, and retailers would reserve the right to charge a small fee for shipping and handling.


(Loopholes are easy!)

Upon passage of such a law, all bullets sold in the nation of Frisbeeteria would henceforth be free of charge. Taxation in any percentage would be multiplication of zeros.

Of course, our manufacturers, distributors, and retailers would reserve the right to charge a small fee for shipping and handling.


(Loopholes are easy!)

Hmmm, I was considering providing them at State funded Ammunition stands and librariesfor free, and funding the manufacturers out of tax money...

Article II:
AWARE that there are livelihoods that are dependent on the use of firearms, the tax will exempted on the the following individuals:

1.) registered hunters, members of registered security agencies, shooting instructors, professional shooters, with no limit to amount purchased.
2.) registered members of a registered gun club or a registered shooting range facility, with a maximum non-taxed limit of 200 shots purchased per annum.
3.) registered owners of businesses, but with a maximum non-taxed limit of 20 shots purchased per annum.



You realise you have managed to not exempt the police from this? (I do not class them as a registered security agency by the way)

And in the spirit of previous loopholes, I think it would be safe to say I would allow everyone to register as a hunter, even if they come off the register after they have bought the bullets.


Also - we don't have any guns in our nation, so I am not entirely certain this would have any affect on my people.

This one shall be fun.

Bullet Control Bill
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control

Decision: Tighten
Proposed by: Nihilistic Robots

Hmm. Okay.

Description:
Article I:
AWARE that some member states strongly believe in the citizens' right to bear firearms,

Strongly? I issue them the guns.

NOTING WITH REGRET that firearms are used in criminal acts, resulting in death of victims or innocent bystanders,

So are baseball bats. And chairs. And paper. And money. And...

UNDERSTANDING the citizens' right to defend their homes against trespassers,

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION the current availability of weapons that use non-lethal methods in subduing criminals,

Noting the fact few are available in my nation or, for that matter, effective enough in many cases to warrant bothering with.

AWARE of the belief of some member states on the citizens' right to own collections of assorted firearms,

OBSERVING that firearms can be, and are often regarded as, shining examples of excellent mechanical design,

Okay, when are you getting to the point?

NOTING WITH REGRET the incidences of deaths, accidental or intentional, due to unproperly kept firearms finding their way into the possession of a minor or a person with malicious intent,

That happens whether they are legal or not.

ALSO NOTING that an unloaded firearm is benign,

Obviously somebody who's never been pistol-whipped or hit on the back of the head with the stock of a rifle.

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS urges all member states to impose a one hundred thousand percent (100,000%) bullet control tax on all firearm ammunitions sold for non-government use.

No. Not no, but hell no. The way I would have to say no to match the absurdity of this proposal requires me to cuss in 16 different languages.

Okay, ignoring the absurd figure that is almost asking for a beating from anyone with an economics book, the problem is I have several thriving corporations that focus on bullets. Putting this tax on them is tentamount to shoving nuclear warheads of their behinds and then detonating. I'd lose six of my major corporations within a week and I cannot afford that kind of an economic blow.

Article II:
AWARE that there are livelihoods that are dependent on the use of firearms, the tax will exempted on the the following individuals:

1.) registered hunters, members of registered security agencies, shooting instructors, professional shooters, with no limit to amount purchased.
2.) registered members of a registered gun club or a registered shooting range facility, with a maximum non-taxed limit of 200 shots purchased per annum.
3.) registered owners of businesses, but with a maximum non-taxed limit of 20 shots purchased per annum.

Okay. So I just reclassify everyone to fit the first one and ignore this. Gotcha. Thanks for the loophole.

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION that the revenue collected by the member states will be useful in supporting national programs advocating gun safety awareness, enforcement of local gun control laws, local monitoring of non-taxed limits of citizens with exemptions, crackdowns on illegal ammunition sales and strict adherance by establishments that deal in firearms.

The revenue collected by this shall fade away as people buy the cheaper illegally-produced bullets. In the end, you'll just kill an entire market and give crime syndicates a stranglehold over you. Not a smart move.

Good point about the loopholes. Tekania, wouldn't you be flooding your own country with ammunition? The stand would be emptied the very second it opened.

Grab a pie and coffee or tea, let's talk about...

Okay, let's talk...

Article II:
AWARE that there are livelihoods that are dependent on the use of firearms, the tax will exempted on the the following individuals:

1.) registered hunters, members of registered security agencies, shooting instructors, professional shooters, with no limit to amount purchased.
2.) registered members of a registered gun club or a registered shooting range facility, with a maximum non-taxed limit of 200 shots purchased per annum.
3.) registered owners of businesses, but with a maximum non-taxed limit of 20 shots purchased per annum.

Who do citizens register to? Who is in charge of registration? The nation or the UN? Who says that a nation can't just automatically allow all their citizens to be born registered?

Another loophole...

If implemented, which I highly doubt it will be in the UN, Tuesday Heights will simply make everyone born a registered hunter. ;)

Good point about the loopholes. Tekania, wouldn't you be flooding your own country with ammunition? The stand would be emptied the very second it opened.

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania protects arms ownership by constitution. In addition, the entire populace is required to serve 2 years in the military (male and female, with the exception of people with medical conditions which prevent such). And even then, all citizens are encouraged to attent state or private arms training facilities. Weapons and bullets in the population is not our concern... Our population is quite capable of handling itself in matters of personal security and protection.

I have more than 1 billion intelligent, passionate armed people in my nation; and I pitty the fool who attempt to take this Nation as their own.

You realise you have managed to not exempt the police from this? (I do not class them as a registered security agency by the way)

And in the spirit of previous loopholes, I think it would be safe to say I would allow everyone to register as a hunter, even if they come off the register after they have bought the bullets.


Also - we don't have any guns in our nation, so I am not entirely certain this would have any affect on my people.

Police is governmental, isn't it?? And this resolution is for non-governmental use (stated before article II)

Police is governmental, isn't it??

Not necessarily. I take it you haven't heard of anarcho-capitalism?

Good point, though, I believe privitized police forces would fall under the title of registered security agencies....

Good point, though, I believe privitized police forces would fall under the title of registered security agencies....

Not if there's no government agency to register them.

Grab a pie and coffee or tea, let's talk about...
We're gonna need more pie. Got any that isn't full of loopholes? These lattice-crust resolutions sure do let the steam out in a big hurry.

Not if there's no government agency to register them.

Who said registration had to be by government agency? :) Or even in some physical form? :) In essence, everyone is registered to do what they whish in an anarchial society :)

Who said registration had to be by government agency? :) Or even in some physical form? :) In essence, everyone is registered to do what they whish in an anarchial society :)

In an anarchial society, everyone has the "freedom" to do what they wish.

Registry? We don't need no stinking registry! :D

Obviously somebody who's never been pistol-whipped or hit on the back of the head with the stock of a rifle.But I would like to see a minor who actually pistol-whipped himself to death.
So are baseball bats. And chairs. And paper. And money. And...Seen any innocent bystanders of a drive-by chair throwing? Hard to walk into a 7-11 packing a paper and "smokin'" the really big smirk on the cashier's face.
That happens whether they are legal or not.Never said anything about guns being legal
you'll just kill an entire market and give crime syndicates a stranglehold over youThere is the military and the police, plus all the people exempted by the bill. Majority of whom are big buyers. Unless the military and police intentionally bought illegal supplies of bullets from syndicates, I don't see bullet market collapsing.
Who do citizens register to? Who is in charge of registration? The nation or the UN? Who says that a nation can't just automatically allow all their citizens to be born registered?Good point. The way some of you are acting, I'd go with UN. :)

Hunters will probably need to be elaborated as professional hunters. Never thought about the recreational kind. Same with police force. Assumed it was a sane country... :mp5:

But I would like to see a minor who actually pistol-whipped himself to death.

Your statement said nothing about whether or not the minor did it to themselves, but just the idea an unloaded gun is benign. Point invalidated by not paying attention to the wording of your own post.

Seen any innocent bystanders of a drive-by chair throwing? Hard to walk into a 7-11 packing a paper and "smokin'" the really big smirk on the cashier's face.

The statement I replied to had nothing to do with a scenario involving robbery, just the idea guns are involved in crimes. There are a wide variety of crimes out there in the world. You are also ignoring baseball bats, which have been used to rob stores before, in that post.

And, yes, I have seen someone be the victim of a drive-by chairing and I am still trying to figure out how the kid managed to hold on to the chair. The amazing things college kids will do while drunk.

Point invalidated once again.

Never said anything about guns being legal

Meh. Your point. Don't entirely remember what I was thinking when I typed it. Might have been a wrong-screen one, but that's been a few minutes.

There is the military and the police, plus all the people exempted by the bill. Majority of whom are big buyers. Unless the military and police intentionally bought illegal supplies of bullets from syndicates, I don't see bullet market collapsing.

The majority of bullet sales are not to police, but civilians, unless there is a war going on or the civilians can't buy guns for some reason. Militaries have a bad habit of hanging on to what they have during peace time, thus not needing to buy as many. So, yes, it is killing a market.

In an anarchial society, everyone has the "freedom" to do what they wish.

Registry? We don't need no stinking registry! :D

So, there you go, your registration is inherant :) It's issued in lieu of your existance and written down in the format of being alive :)

Ah, so the UN would handle the registration; and all we, as nations, have to do is supply them with said list... Even if it is a list of our entire population :)

Sorry about the police thing - I kind of skimmed the proposal when I read it :}

But the thing about Hunters still stands - they can register when they buy some bullets, and it expires a day later.

Ah, so the UN would handle the registration; and all we, as nations, have to do is supply them with said list... Even if it is a list of our entire population :)
It's an amorphous requirement, so all you'd need is an amorphous list.


Write it in Jello. That should work.

So, there you go, your registration is inherant :) It's issued in lieu of your existance and written down in the format of being alive :)

Hot damn! My whole population is registered as individual security agencies! :eek:

It's an amorphous requirement, so all you'd need is an amorphous list.


Write it in Jello. That should work.

What happens if I ate the list? :(

::: Constitutional Republic of Tekania's Department of State, Federal District of Yorktown, Tekania:::

Mr. Smith: (Walks into Mr. Jones' office) "Sir, I just tried to email the UN administrative building with the bullet registration list, the UN's mail server keeps rejecting the message because the attachment size is too large..."

Mr. Jones: "Well, how big is the list?"

Mr. Smith: "It's got about one billion fourteen hundred million and some odd names on it...."

Mr. Jones: "Just set it to keep auto-sending, it's not my problem the UN has bad administration capabilities..."

::: :D :::

I figured out how big my registration list would be, given the average name length, factoring in EOL characters and an EOF character; the list would take between (at present population sized) 25 to 32 gigabytes of data... :)

I figured out how big my registration list would be, given the average name length, factoring in EOL characters and an EOF character; the list would take between (at present population sized) 25 to 32 gigabytes of data... :)

Hmmm...and for nations in the UN that have over 4 billion people, that file would be rather larger. The UN may have some trouble coming. Those Gnomes need to do some serious upgrades.

But the thing about Hunters still stands - they can register when they buy some bullets, and it expires a day laterI was thinking of professional hunters at the time, not recreational hunters. Those would be under category 2. But I'm already thinking about throwing out category 1...nobody needs more than 200 rounds...uzis will ruin the fur...bounty hunters might get less pay for badly mutilated fugitives...

The registry(as you guys put it) should be able to track the purchase. Unless fraud is used, don't see a problem.

The majority of bullet sales are not to police, but civilians, unless there is a war going on or the civilians can't buy guns for some reason. Militaries have a bad habit of hanging on to what they have during peace time, thus not needing to buy as many. So, yes, it is killing a market.The bill exempts the civilians in the heavy users category, i.e. the one who actually need to have a firearm for work purposes, also IMO the ones who know best the dangers of a firearm. Militaries and police regularly practice shooting to improve combat skills so still heavy consumption, unless you count the guns themselves. and okay, 2 points for you.:)

civilians will utilize the discount by joining gunclubs, shooting ranges, where they should be, at least IMO, met with mandatory gun safety programs, "BFG production presents.....hi I'm lil timmy I'll show the dangers of guns when left to small children....", but since thats not mandatory in all countries....:(

We're gonna need more pie. Got any that isn't full of loopholes? These lattice-crust resolutions sure do let the steam out in a big hurry.
I do see the obvious impossible challenge of implementing this. But it only took me 90 minutes to write and the whole day (so far) to laugh it out. Now where were we....ah....HAHAHAHHAAHAHA...:D...you know what else is funny?....its actually serious!.....HAHAHHAA

What is to prevent a hunter from buying bullets for a criminal, volitionally or otherwise?

What is to prevent a hunter from buying bullets for a criminal, volitionally or otherwise?Answer:
NOTING WITH SATISFACTION that the revenue collected by the member states will be useful in supporting national programs advocating gun safety awareness, enforcement of local gun control laws, local monitoring of non-taxed limits of citizens with exemptions, crackdowns on illegal ammunition sales and strict adherance by establishments that deal in firearms.I realize it is a bit assuming... but I'd be more than happy if criminals starts selling their bullets, instead of using them. :)

made a few minor enhancements, feel free to tear apart...:)

The bill exempts the civilians in the heavy users category, i.e. the one who actually need to have a firearm for work purposes, also IMO the ones who know best the dangers of a firearm. Militaries and police regularly practice shooting to improve combat skills so still heavy consumption, unless you count the guns themselves. and okay, 2 points for you.:)

civilians will utilize the discount by joining gunclubs, shooting ranges, where they should be, at least IMO, met with mandatory gun safety programs, "BFG production presents.....hi I'm lil timmy I'll show the dangers of guns when left to small children....", but since thats not mandatory in all countries....:(

I have the problem of my nation being a bit unique, as by this point most children grow up with assault rifles in the home and normally know how to properly use them by adulthood, despite laws against it (which are, by unwritten mandate, not enforced unless there is a good reason why that person knowing how to use a gun before adulthood is a danger).

With pretty much all of my nation growing up around and being issued guns when reaching adulthood, you have to understand that guns and bullets are industries just as big in DLE as computers are in the real world. This, while increasing the problem of vigillantes, creates a scenario that makes people not want to invade my nation: I trust my population enough to arm them and they like me enough to leave me in power.

I'm just wanting you to see a unique scenario that has cropped up. If this passes, I have to register my entire population or face an economic blow that my nation will spend years trying to struggle its way out of. With a population so used to success that they start talking "recession" when unemployment nears 5% (I work hard to keep it near 4%, and it has been for several decades, NS time), you can imagine the reaction I would have to deal with using that tax rate. It's the equivolent of putting a 100,000% tax rate on silicon chips. But, I am not the norm of NS nations.

granted you are more unique, since the natural laws, esp. those concerning children's playful curiosities with shiny metal objects, doesn't seem to apply. :)

Anyway, I'm just here to help the people of NSUN and its member nations with a glimpse of my own laws, (while I'm at it, exercise my freedom of humor within limits, of course) . I had repeal my national laws regarding the non-practicing minors, because of the light of your reasonings among others. The fact that your people have been able to alive and prosperous in your country is admirable. Perhaps one day, you would share with the UN on how it is possible.

Should this bill even be allowed unto the floor and passed by majority, be assured that the Nomadic People of Nihilistic Robots would gladly practice UN resolution #76 and offer to send all available government clerk units to help, in any way they can, with your undoubtably massive registering and restructuring programs. (With them gone, No government office. I need the vacation anyway...:D)

rest assured that your nation's children will still be able to play around with all MP5's, M-16's, AK-47's, FAMAS', M-249's, RPG's, that their tiny lil hearts desire. Just that there be no rounds in them. :)

rest assured that your nation's children will still be able to play around with all MP5's, M-16's, AK-47's, FAMAS', M-249's, RPG's, that their tiny lil hearts desire. Just that there be no rounds in them. :)

Revolutionary nations, like rounds in weapons, otherwise the weapons are pointless...

The primary purpose of firearms in this Republic, is not for hunting, police force, military, or recreational use.... It is so that the people, in the event that this government became tyranical, has the necessary military hardware, to overthrow the government; our Bill of Rights also allows the people to own armored assault vehicles, gunships, SAM's, fighter jets... The best way to ensure the rights of the people, against government; is to not only present them with rights by the government, but to give them teeth to bite government in the ass.

Revolutionary nations, like rounds in weapons, otherwise the weapons are pointless...

The primary purpose of firearms in this Republic, is not for hunting, police force, military, or recreational use.... It is so that the people, in the event that this government became tyranical, has the necessary military hardware, to overthrow the government; our Bill of Rights also allows the people to own armored assault vehicles, gunships, SAM's, fighter jets... The best way to ensure the rights of the people, against government; is to not only present them with rights by the government, but to give them teeth to bite government in the ass.Then I am sure that, like democratic people, true to thier beliefs, will get off their fat behinds, take time to study the issues and actually vote, your people will either join a gun club, avail of the discount per year or work extra hard to buy, illegally (if you don't lke the government, what's stopping you?) or legally (note: no ban on sale), to ensure the adequate stockpiles of ammunitions to overthrow a possible tyrannical government. Your unique form of government will still exist. It just takes commitment. :)

The Rogue Nation of The Irish Brotherhood believes that gun should be allowed in the confines of your own home. If someone tresspasses on your property without good reason for being there, you should be allowed to shoot that civilian.

Yet, if a civilian is caught with or using a firearm outside his/her property, they should be arrested and excecuted for the crime of intended 1st degree murder.

Then I am sure that, like democratic people, true to thier beliefs, will get off their fat behinds, take time to study the issues and actually vote, your people will either join a gun club, avail of the discount per year or work extra hard to buy, illegally (if you don't lke the government, what's stopping you?) or legally (note: no ban on sale), to ensure the adequate stockpiles of ammunitions to overthrow a possible tyrannical government. Your unique form of government will still exist. It just takes commitment. :)

Or just keep buying normally, since technically, the entire populace is part of the Tekanian Military.

The Rogue Nation of The Irish Brotherhood believes that gun should be allowed in the confines of your own home. If someone tresspasses on your property without good reason for being there, you should be allowed to shoot that civilian.

Yet, if a civilian is caught with or using a firearm outside his/her property, they should be arrested and excecuted for the crime of intended 1st degree murder.This bill has no objections to how many firearms you choose to have or in what location you choose to display them. It merely ask that people consider their commitments to society, home security, family, and others in loading bullets into a firearm.

Or just keep buying normally, since technically, the entire populace is part of the Tekanian Military.Seeing as to your nation's ability to cope with this bill, may I humbly ask for your approval of it?

This bill has no objections to how many firearms you choose to have or in what location you choose to display them. It merely ask that people consider their commitments to society, home security, family, and others in loading bullets into a firearm.

So what your saying is that civilians can carry firearms anywhere they like but not use them against any other civilian?

With respect to your local gun control laws, which prohibit the public display of firearms, this bill has no objections.

With respect to your local civil codes, (which hopefully prohibits the killing of civilians by civilians, but either way...), this bill has no objections.

With respect to your local gun control laws, which prohibit the public display of firearms, this bill has no objections.

With respect to your local civil codes, (which hopefully prohibits the killing of civilians by civilians, but either way...), this bill has no objections.

Ok! Well tell that to the families of innocent victims when a crazed psycho shoots dead a bunch of children in a school!

If I may use a TV example...

On a popular TV show, a man was killed with a bullet made of frozen meat.

Kinda makes this resolution pointless.

If I may use a TV example...

On a popular TV show, a man was killed with a bullet made of frozen meat.

Kinda makes this resolution pointless.Black Market Meat-Based Ammunitions Factories.:) any self-respecting diplomat to the UN should have thought of that...

Ok! Well tell that to the families of innocent victims when a crazed psycho shoots dead a bunch of children in a school!You seem to have not read the bill, or the FAQ about UN resolutions at all. The bill does not propose gun restrictions that ignore your own nations. If this bill passes, the gun restrictions of your country will stay the same.

If the anecdotal crazed psycho were to try that under this bill, he would either:
1.) applied for a gun club membership, (provided he passed the requirements) gotten his membership card, gone to the local gunshop, bought the bullets at normal market value, head to the anecdotal school to "shoot dead a bunch of" anecdotal children.
2) worked really hard, saved some money, gone to the local gunshop, bought the bullets at astronomical prices, head to the anecdotal school to "shoot dead a bunch of" anecdotal children.
3) (since he's a crazed psycho, no one hires him), gone to the gunshop, left emptyhand (except lets say he already had a gun but no bullets), head to the anecdotal school to point an unloaded gun at anecdotal children. Police tackle him, haul his ass to jail. Anecdotal children tell their families what a weird day they had.

granted you are more unique, since the natural laws, esp. those concerning children's playful curiosities with shiny metal objects, doesn't seem to apply. :)

They apply. The difference is I have a much greater percentage of responsible parents who take time to educate their kids. It's because of them taking time to educate their kids I was forced to abolish the school system. Kinda pointless to set up a system for thousands of children and have a record high of 6 individuals actually bother to register.

Anyway, I'm just here to help the people of NSUN and its member nations with a glimpse of my own laws, (while I'm at it, exercise my freedom of humor within limits, of course) . I had repeal my national laws regarding the non-practicing minors, because of the light of your reasonings among others. The fact that your people have been able to alive and prosperous in your country is admirable. Perhaps one day, you would share with the UN on how it is possible.

My people spent about 3000 years as a bunch of minor tribes fighting for survival on a planet with far less useful land than one would hope for while the people themselves tried to recover what little they could of the glory of the empires they once ruled. Despite the decades of dealing with governments, they're not exactly much different.

Should this bill even be allowed unto the floor and passed by majority, be assured that the Nomadic People of Nihilistic Robots would gladly practice UN resolution #76 and offer to send all available government clerk units to help, in any way they can, with your undoubtably massive registering and restructuring programs. (With them gone, No government office. I need the vacation anyway...:D)

Good luck to them. I'll help get them there, but don't be surprised if they return in defeat and frustration.

rest assured that your nation's children will still be able to play around with all MP5's, M-16's, AK-47's, FAMAS', M-249's, RPG's, that their tiny lil hearts desire. Just that there be no rounds in them.

And not a single one of those guns is present in my nation, either. Look up the SAR-97C1 in II.

Good luck to them. I'll help get them there, but don't be surprised if they return in defeat and frustration.Great! so they need a vacation, perhaps therapy. Still no government offices. More vacation for me! A lot of new lemonstands can't get their business licenses, though.

You seem to have not read the bill, or the FAQ about UN resolutions at all. The bill does not propose gun restrictions that ignore your own nations. If this bill passes, the gun restrictions of your country will stay the same.

If the anecdotal crazed psycho were to try that under this bill, he would either:
1.) applied for a gun club membership, (provided he passed the requirements) gotten his membership card, gone to the local gunshop, bought the bullets at normal market value, head to the anecdotal school to "shoot dead a bunch of" anecdotal children.
2) worked really hard, saved some money, gone to the local gunshop, bought the bullets at astronomical prices, head to the anecdotal school to "shoot dead a bunch of" anecdotal children.
3) (since he's a crazed psycho, no one hires him), gone to the gunshop, left emptyhand (except lets say he already had a gun but no bullets), head to the anecdotal school to point an unloaded gun at anecdotal children. Police tackle him, haul his ass to jail. Anecdotal children tell their families what a weird day they had.


Granted! Fact, 90% of shootings in Britain are carried out by people with "no history of mental illness..."

Granted! Fact, 90% of shootings in Britain are carried out by people with "no history of mental illness..."First, you were the one who gave the crazed psycho story as your argument against this bill. I'd point that there would be 10% less shootings...which is a good thing?

To be submitted on sunday, after the long and hopefully successful battle to defend the 40 hour workweek
Bullet Control Bill
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control

Decision: Tighten
Proposed by: Nihilistic Robots

Description:
Article I:
AWARE that some member states strongly believe in the citizens' right to bear firearms,

NOTING WITH REGRET that firearms are commonly used in criminal acts, resulting in death of victims or innocent bystanders,

UNDERSTANDING the citizens' right to defend their homes against trespassers,

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION the current availability and the improving effectiveness of weapons that use non-lethal methods in subduing criminals,

AWARE of the belief of some member states on the citizens' right to own collections of assorted firearms,

OBSERVING that firearms can be, and are often regarded as, shining examples of excellent mechanical design,

NOTING WITH REGRET the incidences of deaths, accidental or intentional, due to unproperly kept firearms finding their way into the possession of a minor or a person with malicious intent,

ALSO NOTING that an unloaded firearm is much more benign,

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS urges all member states to impose a one hundred thousand percent (100,000%) bullet control tax, based on manufacturing costs, on all firearm ammunitions sold for non-government use.

UNDERSTANDING the implications of the new tax, an allowance of 20 years for gradual implementation will be given to all nations.

Article II:
AWARE that there are livelihoods that are dependent on the use of firearms, the tax will exempted on the the following individuals:

1.) licensed shooting instructors, and professional shooters, with no limit to amount purchased.
2.) licensed hunters and members of licensed security agencies, and registered members of a licensed gun club or a licensed shooting range facility, with a maximum non-taxed limit of 200 shots purchased per annum.
3.) licensed owners of businesses, but with a maximum non-taxed limit of 20 shots purchased per annum.

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS ALSO RECOMMENDS that the revenue collected by the member states be used in supporting national programs advocating mandatory gun safety awareness for gun owners and gun club members, proper evaluations for national license applicants, enforcement of local gun control laws, strict supervision of ammunition production and trade, proper local monitoring of non-taxed limits of citizens with exemptions, internationally or locally coordinated crackdowns on illegal ammunition sales and strict adherance by establishments that deal in firearms.

one last bit, (since no one asked), why the high tax?
if the tax was minimal, it would serve as no deterance against random purchases. The resulting tax revenue will actually give the nations sufficient reason to further support the sales.

if the tax was mediocre, it would serve as a barrier between the haves and have-nots. Rich people can jump over the minor fence while the poor will remain behind. This situation may worsen the gap, and possibly push the nation towards anarcho-capitalism, where police and military forces can be bought by the highest bidders.

If the tax was insane, only the insane would buy...then again, what the heck are insane people doing with bullets?!? see the point? ;)

(OOC: I got this idea from where I live or near the place where I live. The is a small town just outside the city, where you can get the best quality knock-off guns for cheap. But if you read in the newsies, there is little to no gun related deaths. Sure, there's the drunken brawls, the nightly stabbings, the drug-inducted incest rapes, but no random shootings. Why? Because...bullets cost the same as a full meal...PER! And the bullets are merely reloads! You have a town full of guns but no bullets. As you probably guessed, I live in a third world country. No shame on saying that, it does have its perks. But if the police pawn off their monthly allowances of ammo (probably leave a few, just in case) just to feed their children, it can get depressing..) This is what gave me the seed idea.) Now Please Support!!!

one last bit, (since no one asked), why the high tax?
if the tax was minimal, it would serve as no deterance against random purchases. The resulting tax revenue will actually give the nations sufficient reason to further support the sales.

if the tax was mediocre, it would serve as a barrier between the haves and have-nots. Rich people can jump over the minor fence while the poor will remain behind. This situation may worsen the gap, and possibly push the nation towards anarcho-capitalism, where police and military forces can be bought by the highest bidders.


Yes, the have not professional shooters with thousand dollar pin point firearms, and their memberships in licensed fire ranges and gun clubs are proud that the tax is not marginal, allowing them to maintain the ability to purchase bullets with the same ease as they can cigarrettes. ;)

Yes, the have not professional shooters with thousand dollar pin point firearms, and their memberships in licensed fire ranges and gun clubs are proud that the tax is not marginal, allowing them to maintain the ability to purchase bullets with the same ease as they can cigarrettes. ;)Granted but this serves to allow new blood to enter the sport of professional shooting, which I think is hard enough to enter as it is...The hours of regular practices will easily use up any kind of quotas. (OOC: I have a friend who is a competition shooter. Not a cheap sport.) Who's to say that a poor person cannot excel in competition shooting, given a chance through sponsors?

Besides, what would the summer olympics without the clay shooting?
And no fast draw competition? and the entertainers who use precision shooting to entertain people? I'm not that worried about them being a danger to society. They should know the potential dangers in what they are doing. I'm worried about the people who walk in a gunshop with no previous knowledge about loaded weapons and safety switches, intent of loading a firearm because they are afraid (which makes carrying a loaded firearm worse) or wish to hurt someone else.

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