NationStates Jolt Archive


Why Slavery Should be Legal

Nazshar
13-12-2004, 18:08
[SIZE=5]The dark haired leader of the Dominion of Nazshar stands.
"First allow me to thank you all for your generousity at letting me speak today. However, as time is short I will dive straight into the problem that is at hand." He ajusts his tie and then gazes at the UN members with piercing blue eyes. A great tragedy has taken place in my humble country. Thousands of children are being taken out of school and forced to work. This is due to massive labor shortages within my country. These labor shortages can be linked to a single event. Yes my friends, this event is the resolution that banned slavery. Without the added support of the slave populations my country must now use children to do the long, menial tasks that must be done. Do not think for a moment that this is limited to my country alone! Hundreds of developing countries face the same horrible problem. As a parent myself, and a loving leader of Humanity, I urge you, nay, I beg you! I beg you to support me in my quest to return our children back to school. I beg you to look inside yourselves, please give the children of our countries hope. Please, support me in my crusade to repeal the UN resolution that bans slavery. I ask this of you in the name of all the children of the world. Thank you." With this he sits back down, his face full of grief, awaiting the response of his peers.
Flibbleites
13-12-2004, 18:11
No.
Tekania
13-12-2004, 18:16
Not just no, but hell no.
Gnomewatchers
13-12-2004, 18:20
Your children aren't allowed to do menial industrial tasks due to Res #14, Child Labor (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=13). They can't be exploited or maltreated due to Res #25, The Child Protection Act (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=24), which also protects their right to attend school (provided for free in Res #3 (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=2) and #28 (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=27)).

In short, what you describe happening in your nation cannot actually be happening in your nation, as busy little UN Gnomes would have prevented it from ever occuring. It's possible that your nation's kitchen floors are unswept and the dishes not put away (though Res #9, Keep The World Disease-Free! (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=8) provides you with no national excuse for slackness), but that's not the fault of the lack of slaves.

Sorry, you have no case.
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 18:21
Then you leave our children to uneducated abusive lives! But it is your own choice, yet I pity the young ones in your countries. Ah, but what am I saying? I know not the entire situations there. I pray I am wrong.
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 18:25
The equally dark-haired delegate from the Holy Empire of Tarnak-talaan stands up to reply:
"Honored Assembly, in the name of His Holiness, Our Beloved High Emperor, We implore you to reject this preposterous proposal! It should also be noted, that the Delegate from - what's the name again?- has officially admitted to violation of United Nations Resolution #14, which prohibits the employment of children - citation: "in any mines, factories, chemical plants or ANY OTHER industrial occupation" end of citation. The UN must take immediate action to prevent the further abuse of children!"
Gnomewatchers
13-12-2004, 18:28
I pray I am wrong.
The Community of Gnomewatchers finds this to be the only accurate statement you have made thus far.
Aeruillin
13-12-2004, 18:30
OOC: Ridiculous.

IC: Vanessa Siliagh, the UN representative for the Neutral Republic of Aeruillin, stands to respond.

"I fully support the standpoint of my colleagues of the nations of Flibbleites and Tekania. The proposition you are making - namely to take away the human rights of some groups to protect your own population - is in violation of any international law or understanding. Human rights, as a premise, presuppose equality between all human beings.

"How is it even possible to consider appealing to humanity with such a request? The ones you wish to enslave cannot be regarded as second-class-humans. Their right to liberty and education does not surpass that of Nazshar's inhabitants, be they children or adults.

"Besides, even basic economic theory shows that this is utterly needless. A workforce potential is never operating at full capacity. Your proposition is truly hypocritical. You want your children educated? Outlaw child labour. Fund public education. It will be a slight blow for Nazsharian economy, but it does not justify slavery.

"The United Nations stand for liberty and rights for all humans equally. Not for relieving pressure on your economy at the expense of slaves." She sits down again.
Los Americanos
13-12-2004, 18:31
the supereme ruler of los americos stands.
"but think of all those who cannot be protected by the un"
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 18:31
Stands and looks directly at the delagate, his eyes growing cold, a hint of the madness shining through. "Do you honestly believe I would allow it to happen? I have done all in my power, short of military intervention, to make it stop. What shall I do? Shoot all who use the children? Should I imprison the parents who allow their children to work? Or perhaps I should just imprison the children themselves for allowing themselves to be used! What, pray tell, shall I do? I am open to any suggestions. I MUST stop this crime, yet I do not know how!" He falls back into his seat.
New Tyrollia
13-12-2004, 18:38
Stands and looks directly at the delagate, his eyes growing cold, a hint of the madness shining through. "Do you honestly believe I would allow it to happen? I have done all in my power, short of military intervention, to make it stop. What shall I do? Shoot all who use the children? Should I imprison the parents who allow their children to work? Or perhaps I should just imprison the children themselves for allowing themselves to be used! What, pray tell, shall I do? I am open to any suggestions. I MUST stop this crime, yet I do not know how!" He falls back into his seat.

Why do you assume the children must be punished? Should you not be imprisoning the factory owners who are exploiting child labour? Should you not be closing down the plants that exploit them?
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 18:46
Since we seem to have a violation of UN legislation in Nazshar, the problem there should be dealt by the UN. Send a delegation there, who should evaluate the situation. If their results warrant it, send a UN force there to restore UN law.
Gnomewatchers
13-12-2004, 18:49
the supereme ruler of los americos stands.
"but think of all those who cannot be protected by the un"
OK. We've thought about it. Now what? Were you making some sort of point here?
New Tyrollia
13-12-2004, 18:49
If you feel external aid is required to fix your situation, New Tyrollia is more than willing to mount an investigation. The suffering of all humanity is our concern, and we are always eager to do what we can to alleviate it wherever it may arise.
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 18:50
"I ment it sarcastically. The crime has so devoured the country that if I were to close down all of industries that used illegal child labor, we would be in debt for the next ten years. Perhaps a...demonstration could be made...Yes, that may work..." His eyes quickly become distracted as he begins calculating his next move, carefully deciding exactly the extend of this "demonstration" should be. "Yes, I would welcome an investigation into the matter. It is time for Nazshar to...rethink some of its previous actions and desires."
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 18:54
the delegate holds his breath in expectation of the results of Nazshars delegate's calculations...
New Tyrollia
13-12-2004, 18:58
Human Rights investigators from New Tyrollia shall prepare to ship out immediatly, pending approval from the government of Nazshar.

(OoC: RP forum?)
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 18:59
The leader suddenly stands up and shouts "I have it! I will make it legal for children to work in my country, not fully ban it. However, I will make a special minimum wage for the children that is significantly higher than for adults. Also, industries using child labor must pay tax for each hour a child works. These laws will be upheld by manditory inspections by my chief military officers. I will look over my soldier's reports personaly. I will also use an auditing system to keep the industries in line with my wishes. Yes, it is brilliant!"
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 19:00
(Yes, I would be delighted, it will be very interesting indead)
New Tyrollia
13-12-2004, 19:02
<Clears throat> Might I remind you that Res #14, Child Labor (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=13) clearly states:

"Be it hereby resolved that the UN shall guarantee the rights of children to NOT work in any mines, factories, chemical plants or ANY OTHER industrial occupation; moreover, it shall be prohibited for a child to take up labor in such an occupation."
The Upper Congo
13-12-2004, 19:02
I am sorry but employing children to do adults jobs is just stupid, irresponsible and meaningless. Why dont you order those people that are draining the economy by taking uneaded benefits and order them to work?
Shazbotdom
13-12-2004, 19:04
Then you leave our children to uneducated abusive lives! But it is your own choice, yet I pity the young ones in your countries. Ah, but what am I saying? I know not the entire situations there. I pray I am wrong.

A slender man, around the age of 60, stands up. His name is Johnothan Tangrand, deligate to the United Nations from The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom. He's been the voice for the Empire ever since the Empire was founded. He is well dressed, in a black suit and tie. He moves his lips to speak as he turns on his microphone so that the whole assembly can hear him.

"May i remind you all of Resolution Number Three: Free Education for All, Resolution Number Twenty-Eight: Free Education, Resolution Number Fifty-Four: UN Educational Committee and Resolution Number Seventy-Nine: Reformed Literacy Initiative? There are no "Uneducated" persons in any Nation that is a member of the United Nations. Also, i would like to point out Resolution Number Six: End Slavery as well as Resolution Number Fifty-One: Children In War. No United Nations member is allowed to have any Slaves, Period. The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom would like this Proposal be stricken from any records."

The slender man then sits down.
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 19:06
He laughs softly with a twinkle in his eye. "I know, I know! In Nazshar money is everything, I will place a tax so eye that to have a child working would drain their bank accounts. Also, I will place before my parliament a law that clearly regulates what work a child could do. Nothing dangerous. Perhaps filing papers, answering phones, some cleaning. What say you?"
New Tyrollia
13-12-2004, 19:13
He laughs softly with a twinkle in his eye. "I know, I know! In Nazshar money is everything, I will place a tax so eye that to have a child working would drain their bank accounts. Also, I will place before my parliament a law that clearly regulates what work a child could do. Nothing dangerous. Perhaps filing papers, answering phones, some cleaning. What say you?"

The delegate from New Tyrollia shakes her head sadly.
"My friend, you are starting to move in the correct direction, but you still have far to go. While this would technically be legal, as Resolution Number 14 only prohibits the employment of children in an 'industrial occupation', I implore you to uphold the spirit of this resolution. Education is gaurenteed to children through numerous resolutions passed by this noble body, and this is where children belong: in school. If you require foreign aid, be it monetary or otherwise, my nation and many others will be willing to come to your support. After all, is that not what this Union is about? But I must ask -nay, beg- that you make sure your youth are recieving the education that they are heir to. Not toiling away in some corporate hole."
DemonLordEnigma
13-12-2004, 19:15
You know, I could help alleviate your problem. All you need to do is give me free reign to do so and I guarantee your workforce problems will no longer be something your government worries about.
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 19:18
Stands and bows. "As you wish my friend. Then this day before this United Nations, I vow, and with me the entire weight of my legistlative, executive, and judicial power, NO child shall work. Every child will have equal opportunity to an excellent education. Free education through college, supported by taxes. Furthermore, if any business is caught using children, a fine of two million dregs, and the revoking of their business contract will ensue!"
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:21
You know, I could help alleviate your problem. All you need to do is give me free reign to do so and I guarantee your workforce problems will no longer be something your government worries about.

What omineous a statement - wonders the Tarnak-talaan delegate...
New Tyrollia
13-12-2004, 19:22
The delegate from New Tyrollia beams, and bursts into applause.
"I commend you for your decision. And may I add that from this day hence, the nation of New Tyrollia stands ready to aid the government of Nazshar in any way it requires, at any time it so needs, above and beyond the standard duties of United Nations fellowship."
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:23
Stands and bows. "As you wish my friend. Then this day before this United Nations, I vow, and with me the entire weight of my legistlative, executive, and judicial power, NO child shall work. Every child will have equal opportunity to an excellent education. Free education through college, supported by taxes. Furthermore, if any business is caught using children, a fine of two million dregs, and the revoking of their business contract will ensue!"

the Tarnak-talaan delegate stands to applaud this finally wise decision...
Tekania
13-12-2004, 19:23
The Constitutional Republic of Tekania, since its inception some time ago in the past, has never implemented slavery. The idea that such a system is needed, is asinine a best. In all that time, even as a small struggling nation, we have never had a failing economy; thus we know it is possible for any other nation; if they assert their will as such; to succeed, without resorting to abuse and despotism upon their populace.
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:25
the Tarnak-talaan delegate stands to applaud this finally wise decision...

...and wonders if - like New Tyrollia - he should offer financial support... and decides to make a call to his superior....
DemonLordEnigma
13-12-2004, 19:26
What omineous a statement - wonders the Tarnak-talaan delegate...

Hey, what I said is the absolute truth. His government would never worry about workforce problems again.
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 19:27
The leader of Nazshar, Jeremiah Zenth clasps his hands together and then pulls a book off his chair. He flips through it for a moment, and then shakes his head. "Well, there is much work to be done. Crime runs rampant across my streets, my people are ruled by oppressive corporations, and it seems my government has become quite corrupt. Never again. These events have made me change my views on many subjects, perhaps now I can do my full extent to remedy the situation."
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:28
Hey, what I said is the absolute truth. His government would never worry about workforce problems again.

still omineous :rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:29
...and wonders if - like New Tyrollia - he should offer financial support... and decides to make a call to his superior....

... who takes his time in answering the call, and decides to delegate the request higher up...
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 19:34
From this day forward we are no longer the Dominion of Nazshar. Now, we are the Protectorate of Nazshar, for this is what we shall give to our people. No longer dominate them, we will protect them. And I shall do all in my power to do so. I welcome all help for this cause.
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:41
Finally, Our delegate receives a call from His Holiness, Our Beloved High Emperor, Himselfst

"Yes Your Holiness..."

"Of course Your Holiness..."

"Thank You very much Your Holiness..."

Having pocketed his mobilphone, he stands up again and declares:

"In the name of His Holiness, Our Beloved High Empire, and in the name of the Hard-Working People of the Holy Empire of Tarnak-talaan, We extend the Hand of Friendship to the Protectorate of Nazshar, and offer them financial support to escape their economical crisis."
Nazshar
13-12-2004, 19:45
"And we graciously accept. Thank you."
Tarnak-talaan
13-12-2004, 19:55
our delegate comes over to formalize the offer and agreement. After signing it off with the Nazshar delegate, he leaves to enjoy his well-earned dinner...