NationStates Jolt Archive

Here is a list of the repeals I have submitted. Note that while the forum says my nation is from November, I am a resurrected nation. Feel free to comment.

Repeal "Stop privacy intrusion"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #10: Stop privacy intrusion (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Many feel that waiting for a full review by the Judiciary may take too long. It is in the best interest of all law enforcement officers to have the ability to work on their own. They should not have to wait on a board of review. The nation submitting this proposal looks to repeal this resolution but to make a new proposal with an amended version giving more power to the local police as opposed to the Judiciaries who have little or no idea of what is happening in the streets and over the wires.

Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Extreme Darwinists, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "Required Basic Healthcare"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #17
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #17: Required Basic Healthcare (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Whereas some nations are unable to afford the cost of socialized healthcare, this resolution should be repealed. If a nation relies solely on commerical medical services, so be it. Those in need may need to contact those individual business about basic services.

Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Extreme Darwinists, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "Metric System "
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #24
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #24: Metric System (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution takes away the self-governing ability of nations across the world. Historical measurement systems should not be allowed to be replaced by an international organization. Therefore, the metric system could be promoted by the UN but allow other nations to use their own systems.

Approvals: 5 (WZ Forums, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets, Sonneboa33, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 136 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "The Rights of Labor Unions"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #38
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #38: The Rights of Labor Unions (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The UN should not be allowed to regulate business in all member-nations. What is good for one is not always good for the other.

Approvals: 8 (WZ Forums, Faithful Servants, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets, Squirrelmania, The Golan Heights, Sonneboa33, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 133 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "Legalize prostitution"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #46
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #46: Legalize prostitution (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Many nations view this as a moral wrong and the UN has no place in dictating morals.

Approvals: 9 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Faithful Servants, Jarrettsonia, Wolfenlands, Bloody Sheets, Kalin, Sonneboa33, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 132 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "UN Space Consortium"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #50
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #50: UN Space Consortium (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The UN has no jurisdiction over any territories off the planet Earth and therefore cannot restrict actions off the planet.

Approvals: 5 (WZ Forums, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets, New Secundus, Sonneboa33)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 136 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "The 40 Hour Workweek"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #59
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #59: The 40 Hour Workweek (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Whereas many nations may consider a 45 hours work week to be the normal situation, this resolution violates cultural heritages.

Approvals: 8 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets, Sonneboa33, Park Slope-estan, Kakuta, NewTexas)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 133 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004
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Repeal "Abortion Rights"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #61
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Whereas many nations may see this as a moral wrong, the UN is unfit to allow this act.

Approvals: 8 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Faithful Servants, Jarrettsonia, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets, Sonneboa33, LivLiNaTer)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 133 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

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Repeal "The Sexes Rights Law"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #69
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #69: The Sexes Rights Law (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution is not needed as the above topics are already mentioned. This mostly falls under resolution #26 but a few others as well.

Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004

Here is a list of the repeals I have submitted. Note that while the forum says my nation is from November, I am a resurrected nation. Feel free to comment.

Ressurected nations don't get special treatments. Neither do newbies, people under 15, etc. I'm not being evil, just letting you know.

Repeal "Stop privacy intrusion"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #10: Stop privacy intrusion (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Many feel that waiting for a full review by the Judiciary may take too long. It is in the best interest of all law enforcement officers to have the ability to work on their own. They should not have to wait on a board of review. The nation submitting this proposal looks to repeal this resolution but to make a new proposal with an amended version giving more power to the local police as opposed to the Judiciaries who have little or no idea of what is happening in the streets and over the wires.

Part of the job of the police is to prove it to the judges. Also, this was passed to keep police from abusing the ability to use such devices.

I really do not see a problem here.

Repeal "Required Basic Healthcare"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #17
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #17: Required Basic Healthcare (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Whereas some nations are unable to afford the cost of socialized healthcare, this resolution should be repealed. If a nation relies solely on commerical medical services, so be it. Those in need may need to contact those individual business about basic services.

This was passed to allow for everyone to get healthcare. Private institutions have the right to reject patients. Once again, I see no problem beyond the irresponsible practices of certain governments.

Repeal "Metric System "
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #24
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #24: Metric System (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution takes away the self-governing ability of nations across the world. Historical measurement systems should not be allowed to be replaced by an international organization. Therefore, the metric system could be promoted by the UN but allow other nations to use their own systems.

This was passed to give everyone the same system of measurement so scientific evidence using measurements doesn't require translation from country to country beyond simple language. Once again, I do not see a problem.

Repeal "The Rights of Labor Unions"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #38
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #38: The Rights of Labor Unions (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The UN should not be allowed to regulate business in all member-nations. What is good for one is not always good for the other.

The UN may regulate whatever the members wish and get away with it as long as the mods allow it. I see no problem.

Besides, this was passed to allow for workers to be able to try to force a company to give them a fair wage.

Repeal "Legalize prostitution"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #46
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #46: Legalize prostitution (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Many nations view this as a moral wrong and the UN has no place in dictating morals.

The UN has a right to dictate whatever it wishes. Read the FAQ. Also, if a moral opinion is the best evidence anyone can come up with against it, I see no problem.

Repeal "UN Space Consortium"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #50
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #50: UN Space Consortium (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The UN has no jurisdiction over any territories off the planet Earth and therefore cannot restrict actions off the planet.

My empire is from nearly 2000 lightyears away from Earth and one territory is in the UN. The UN can regulate any place where it has members, and it has members in space. Not a problem.

Repeal "The 40 Hour Workweek"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #59
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #59: The 40 Hour Workweek (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Whereas many nations may consider a 45 hours work week to be the normal situation, this resolution violates cultural heritages.

This resolution was passed to standardize it so it is fair for everyone, no matter cultural heritage. This was not written with cultural heritage, but problems people face in mind. I see no problem.

Repeal "Abortion Rights"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #61
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Whereas many nations may see this as a moral wrong, the UN is unfit to allow this act.

See the one about prostitution.

Repeal "The Sexes Rights Law"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #69
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #69: The Sexes Rights Law (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution is not needed as the above topics are already mentioned. This mostly falls under resolution #26 but a few others as well.

If you're going to repeal a resolution just because it covers what others already do, you'll have to repeal a lot of resolutions. As it is, the two back each other up and keep it as legal if one gets repealed. I see no problem.

Here is a list of the repeals I have submitted. Note that while the forum says my nation is from November, I am a resurrected nation. Feel free to comment.


*invests in more nails for the next coffin*

And dirt. Need more dirt. Lots more dirt. Maybe some cement....

Vastiva, this one strikes me as having potential for entering our circle. A few mistakes, but I'm willing to see his justification for it before I judge. After all, not a single one is illegal, which is a bonus in his favor.

I'm commenting on his resurrection, nothing more. I don't trust things that die and come back. ;)

I'm commenting on his resurrection, nothing more. I don't trust things that die and come back. ;)

:is distrusted by Vastiva: ;)

Brains... must have brains...

Sorry, back to the topic.

Repeal "Stop privacy intrusion"
I'd rather not have to worry about "Big Brother" snoopong into my personal life without reason (even though all they'd find out is that I lead a very boring life:)).

Repeal "Required Basic Healthcare"
I actually support this but only because it has already been replaced and removing this would clean up the resolution list a bit.

Repeal "Metric System "
see DLE's comment

Repeal "Legalize prostitution"
I support this repeal attempt because I beleive that this is an issue best left up to the individual nations to decide.

Repeal "UN Space Consortium"
Again I say, see DLE's comment

Repeal "The 40 Hour Workweek"
There's nothing stopping a nations employee's from working 45 hours they just get paid overtime for those last five hours.

Repeal "Abortion Rights"
see my comment about the prostitution one

Repeal "The Sexes Rights Law"
I see no reason to repeal this resolution.

Ressurected nations don't get special treatments. Neither do newbies, people under 15, etc. I'm not being evil, just letting you know.

Think about this for a second.
Why would a nation with a recent join date claim to be not be so young?

Simple: this nation would like to establish that it has been around for some of these debates and has a general feel of how things work.

True or not, I seriously don't know where you read into his post that he is wanting "spcial treatments", other than to perhaps avoid the negative comments that are often directed at newbies. That is a pretty freaking reasonable thing to add, given the prejudices shown to newcomers.


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To keep this on topic, I think repealing so many resolutions at the same time is a bit excessive, and my government would like to ask all UN Delegates to avoid encouraging "flooding" of the UN proposal queue, by only endorsing a few proposals / repeals per sponsoring nation at a time.

And for the record, my government rarely supports repeals. Though there are plenty of resolutions that could stand review and some topics that new UN members would like to discuss, the Confederated City States of Mikitivity would like for the UN to continue to play a more proactive role and focus on creating new quality international law.

Repeal "The Sexes Rights Law"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #69
Proposed by: Sliponia

Description: UN Resolution #69: The Sexes Rights Law (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution is not needed as the above topics are already mentioned. This mostly falls under resolution #26 but a few others as well.

Approvals: 4 (WZ Forums, The Golan Heights, Extreme Darwinists, Bloody Sheets)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Dec 11 2004Sigh ...

" I guess now I have to kill you ... "

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" Vastiva, get the spade ... "

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:D

How-ever, since I actually fail to see any definitive argument in it, I don't see it as a threat. I'm sure if you can be bothered to list them as you have bothered to write these here repeals, or find proof to give your claim some good base, I can explain why you are wrong and there really is not a problem, ;)

( As in trust me, that resolution managed to break into a lot of new ground under the cover of dark, I just don't trumpet it about in case a hard-line-conservative gets a whiff of what I managed )

Repeal "Stop privacy intrusion"


Yeah - this would turn most nations in to a police state, and make privacy a thing of the past. Not something I am keen to encourage.


Repeal "Required Basic Healthcare"


I think this has already been superceeded, so I am not so bothered about it.


Repeal "Metric System "


I would have thought that having a single basic standard throughout the UN would make everything a lot easier. Travel for example, plus working out costs for (petrol/fuel etc) based on KM rather than furlongs or widgets.


Repeal "The Rights of Labor Unions"


If you have no objection to TilEnca refusing to do any business with a nation that has outlawed unions, then I have no problem with this being repealed.

(Actually I have serious problems - abuse of the workers and explotation of the masses is wrong, and I will try to prevent it as best I can).


Repeal "Legalize prostitution"


I would argue this is an international issue :}


Repeal "UN Space Consortium"


The arguement you use to repeal this would mean that a lot of off nation worlds who are members of the UN would no longer be subject to the rules and resolutions of the UN. I think this would set a dangerous precedent.


Repeal "The 40 Hour Workweek"


Again - I would oppose this on the same basis as I oppose a repeal of the Labour Unions resolution. Abuse of the workers is a bad, bad thing.
Also - cultural heritage is not a good enough reason, as a lot of nations have a cultural heritage of racism, intolerance, sexism and homopobia. Times change and the world changes with them.


Repeal "Abortion Rights"


It should stay in the hands of the people, not the national governments.


Repeal "The Sexes Rights Law"


The parts about protection shelters and so forth is not covered anywhere else, and I think it is one of the more important sections. It also protects Charities that deal with only one sex (rather than both) and also has a protection for gender in - making it a "mental" issue rather than a physical.

I think it still has some worth.

Hey, at least he didn't give me five pages of "it voilates my natinal sovrenty". However, the Repeal for UN Space Consortium is inaccurate and will probably be removed (the UN does indeed have powers over non-terrestial areas), but I wouldn't toss a warning or anything.

- "Ya load sixteen tons and what do get...?"
UN Gnome in charge of Repealing the Repeal of the Repeal.

Think about this for a second.
Why would a nation with a recent join date claim to be not be so young?

Simple: this nation would like to establish that it has been around for some of these debates and has a general feel of how things work.

True or not, I seriously don't know where you read into his post that he is wanting "spcial treatments", other than to perhaps avoid the negative comments that are often directed at newbies. That is a pretty freaking reasonable thing to add, given the prejudices shown to newcomers.

We treat them the same way no matter how old their nation is. They get in, get grounded around for a bit, join the club or leave, and then we move on. There have been a few newbies whose debute posts have gained them a spot among the regulars.

So far, this guy has done nothing that would get the usual treatment, so he's been getting a pretty good treatment. He even managed to not get a warning with one that will get deleted, so that's a pretty good start.

Now, back on topic:

Going by the arguements presented, I'll stand behind my statements. But, I am willing to listen to a longer and more detailed explanation for each. You can't always word a proposal to include everything you wish to.

We treat them the same way no matter how old their nation is. They get in, get grounded around for a bit, join the club or leave, and then we move on. There have been a few newbies whose debute posts have gained them a spot among the regulars.

So far, this guy has done nothing that would get the usual treatment, so he's been getting a pretty good treatment. He even managed to not get a warning with one that will get deleted, so that's a pretty good start.


What in the world are you talking about?

What in the world are you talking about?

The first portion? New arrivals or people who have returned. The second? The topic starter.

The use of the "this is a moral issue and so shouldn't be decided by the UN" argument is, to me, an admittal that you can't come up with a good enough argument against the law you're repealing. I'm not a moral relativist, so I don't care if your society thinks prostitution is morally wrong - your belief doesn't make it ok to restrict the freedoms of your citizens.

In fact, pretty much everything we deal with is a moral/ethical issue - laws are there to deal with perceived "wrongs". Legislation protecting the environment is based on the moral view that it is wrong to leave our descendants with a polluted world, or that it is wrong to allow animals to die etc. Legislation about human rights is based on the view that it is wrong to restrict free speech, or wrong to use capital punishment etc. Legislation banning drugs is based on the view that it is wrong to take drugs, and legislation allowing them is based on the view that it is wrong to interfere in the individual's personal choices. Legislation enforcing socialised healthcare is based on the view that it is right to guarantee medial care to all, and legislation to lower income taxes is based on the view that it is wrong to forcibly take someone's property to help other people.

The use of the "this is a moral issue and so shouldn't be decided by the UN" argument is, to me, an admittal that you can't come up with a good enough argument against the law you're repealing. I'm not a moral relativist, so I don't care if your society thinks prostitution is morally wrong - your belief doesn't make it ok to restrict the freedoms of your citizens.

In fact, pretty much everything we deal with is a moral/ethical issue - laws are there to deal with perceived "wrongs". Legislation protecting the environment is based on the moral view that it is wrong to leave our descendants with a polluted world, or that it is wrong to allow animals to die etc. Legislation about human rights is based on the view that it is wrong to restrict free speech, or wrong to use capital punishment etc. Legislation banning drugs is based on the view that it is wrong to take drugs, and legislation allowing them is based on the view that it is wrong to interfere in the individual's personal choices. Legislation enforcing socialised healthcare is based on the view that it is right to guarantee medial care to all, and legislation to lower income taxes is based on the view that it is wrong to forcibly take someone's property to help other people.

The delegate from Sliponia is not offering these repeals for Sliponia's benefit. We'd have most of the policies in place if they were not UN resolutions. Sliponia is considering the interest of other member nations. If the repeals are not made, Sliponia will not storm from the UN nor shall we submit the repeals again.

The first portion? New arrivals or people who have returned. The second? The topic starter.

Frankly, I can honestly see why a nation would want to avoid being mistaken for being a newbie. I think it is a damn reasonable thing for a resurrected nation to want to establish some sort of familiarity with the game to avoid having their arguments cut off or dismissed based on "join date".

Since newbies and people who have returned are theoretically being treated equally, treat them like we'd treat any other nation. I'd start by not accusing nations of wanting special needs and actually allowing them the chance to illustrate if they are familiar with the UN forum and UN aspect of the game or not!

If the repeals are not made, Sliponia will not storm from the
UN nor shall we submit the repeals again.

Hello,

I'd like to suggest that you watch your repeals. Which ever one gets the most response, consider improving. Review the helpful comments posted here. I think the one constructive comment / post my government shares is similar to what _Myopia_ brought up.

Improve your repeal request by adding more specific language and focus on that one for now.

I certainly wish your government luck in its activities and am very pleased that you plan to stay in the UN.

Hello,

I'd like to suggest that you watch your repeals. Which ever one gets the most response, consider improving. Review the helpful comments posted here. I think the one constructive comment / post my government shares is similar to what _Myopia_ brought up.

Improve your repeal request by adding more specific language and focus on that one for now.

I certainly wish your government luck in its activities and am very pleased that you plan to stay in the UN.

Indeed I do appreciate all comments and will perhaps tweak the most supported appeal. Thanks to everyone for their assistance.

Frankly, I can honestly see why a nation would want to avoid being mistaken for being a newbie. I think it is a damn reasonable thing for a resurrected nation to want to establish some sort of familiarity with the game to avoid having their arguments cut off or dismissed based on "join date".

It'll happen anyway. People forget that the new nation they are talking is not a person who has been here as long as their account says.

Since newbies and people who have returned are theoretically being treated equally, treat them like we'd treat any other nation. I'd start by not accusing nations of wanting special needs and actually allowing them the chance to illustrate if they are familiar with the UN forum and UN aspect of the game or not!

I never accused him of wanting them. I merely stated he's not going to get them at first.

I never accused him of wanting them. I merely stated he's not going to get them at first.

Q: Then why bring up the subject of special needs in the first place?


You IMPLIED that he wants them. It is essentially the same damn thing.



In the case of repeals, I think the age of a nation can be important in establishing possible credibility and authority to the direct subject at hand. If the author wants to claim that she / he was part of the original debates, the idea of being resurrected becomes even more important!

Instead of implying that the author's statement didn't matter, did you consider asking WHY she / he might have said that?

What if it turns out that her / his nation was part of the original debate on a few of those resolutions?

Q: Then why bring up the subject of special needs in the first place?


You IMPLIED that he wants them. It is essentially the same damn thing.

Hmm. Guilty.

In the case of repeals, I think the age of a nation can be important in establishing possible credibility and authority to the direct subject at hand. If the author wants to claim that she / he was part of the original debates, the idea of being resurrected becomes even more important!

Actually, age is not important in establishing credibility when they do not even state the arguements or considerations of the relevant period of time when they were around, if they were around at that time. Just because he is ressurected doesn't mean he posted on the boards or took part in the arguements.

Instead of implying that the author's statement didn't matter, did you consider asking WHY she / he might have said that?

I have. All evidence I see results in him simply stating he doesn't want to be treated a n00b. Thus, my statement is relevant.

What if it turns out that her / his nation was part of the original debate on a few of those resolutions?

If he/she was, then they can post the arguements or considerations of the time. If those are not to be used, then age is irrelevant.

Back on topic, please.

So far, while well worded, none are going to pass.

The delegate from Sliponia is not offering these repeals for Sliponia's benefit. We'd have most of the policies in place if they were not UN resolutions. Sliponia is considering the interest of other member nations. If the repeals are not made, Sliponia will not storm from the UN nor shall we submit the repeals again.

We respect this position and understand why you have submitted the repeals. However, our position is fundamentally opposed to repeals of proposals based on the national sovereignty argument, in that we do not care about the interests of other member governments. Our sole concern with UN legislation is that as many sapient beings as possible get the rights and freedoms we believe they should have, no matter what their governments believe, and even if the majority of citizens of their country don't think they should have those rights.