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My proposal:Description: In all nations, there are people that own, use, or intend to use illegal weapons, meaning weapons not approved by the state, and weapons not known to by the state. Many of those who do intend to use the weapons, hurt their own country or neighbour nations. We all wish a safer world, and this resolution will take a step on the road. This resolution will not affect weapons approved or held by the state, military or police.

Article 1: in a set period, all weapons delivered to a state office in a UN nation will be granted amnesty, and no further investigation or punishment will be done.

Article 2: The nations will have to deliver an exact number of their weapons, and all the weapons themselves, to the UN. All weapons will be destroyed, and the materials will be used for the best of all UN nations.

Article 3: after the given time, weapons will be accepted, but further investigation may be done, this will be decided by the state.
I ran a spellcheck on this, so I hope it doesn't contain any misspellings.

Global Weapon Amnesty
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control
Decision: Relax
Proposed by: Undria
This shows every sign of being a Global Disarmament proposal. It certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with relaxing gun control.

Illegal use of categories, but it is nicely spelled. No.

A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.

Precisely what it sounds like. "International Security" increases government spending on the police and military while "Global Disarmament" reduces government spending on the police and military
This is what it says in the 'before you make a proposal'-thread. This affects only private weapons, and has nothing to do with reducing spending on the military or police. It relaxes the law for a period.

This is what it says in the 'before you make a proposal'-thread. This affects only private weapons, and has nothing to do with reducing spending on the military or police. It relaxes the law for a period.
That may be what you meant, but that isn't what you said.

"all weapons delivered to a state office in a UN nation"

Doesn't mean all Private weapons or all Illegal weapons. It also makes the blanket assumption ("weapons not approved by the state, and weapons not known to by the state") that the state monitors all weapons, and those not monitored are illegal. I'm sure many posters will step in and say that guns are openly legal in their nations. There is certainly no UN law that says they are illegal. In fact, there has never been a successful gun control resolution from either side of the argument in NS history.

This resolution tightens gun control post-amnesty by making all non-state-recognized weaponry illegal.

As far as I can understand from the proposal, the only action is to create an amnesty day for illegal weapons. That is, anyone may turn any weapon they choose over to the government of a UN and not be investigated or punished. These weapons will then be turned over to the UN and destroyed.

However, the wording is confusing and unclear and therefore I oppose this proposal.

That may be what you meant, but that isn't what you said.

"all weapons delivered to a state office in a UN nation"

Doesn't mean all Private weapons or all Illegal weapons. It also makes the blanket assumption ("weapons not approved by the state, and weapons not known to by the state") that the state monitors all weapons, and those not monitored are illegal. I'm sure many posters will step in and say that guns are openly legal in their nations. There is certainly no UN law that says they are illegal. In fact, there has never been a successful gun control resolution from either side of the argument in NS history.

This resolution tightens gun control post-amnesty by making all non-state-recognized weaponry illegal.
If weapons are legal in a country, i am sure this does not mean terrorist weapons like bilogical weapons or bombs. These would count as illegal, any other will count as legal.

If weapons are legal in a country, i am sure this does not mean terrorist weapons like bilogical weapons or bombs. These would count as illegal, any other will count as legal.
It's not a horrible idea, just phrased in a way that allows it to be interpreted as a whole bunch of different things to different people. That's why we encourage people to post to the forums before submitting to the Proposal queue. It gives you a chance to hear how other people read it.

Obviously, you thought your argument encompassed stuff you didn't need to define. Equally obviously, that view was not shared by me and possibly others.

Clarity of proposals is vital to their passage. This one isn't clear. If you want help refining it, just ask. I'm sure other supporters of the basic idea would help you out.

Well, if others are willing to help me dfine this, that supports the basic idea, i woul appreciate any help, and another (well defined) proposal may be posted.

Global Weapon Amnesty
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control
Decision: Relax
Proposed by: -

RECOGNIZING the danger of terrorists (or other malignant, independent organizations) who own illegal weapons,

NOTING that many of those who do own these weapons intend to hurt their own country or neighbouring nations,

DEFINING illegal weapons as any weapons banned by international law or by law of the nation within which you are,

AFFIRMING the UN's role as a international organization to maintain peace,

1. ESTABLISHES "Illegal Weapons Amnesty Day" to happen one (1) week following the passage of this bill.

2. ENCOURAGES STRONGLY that all illegal weapons be delivered to a state office in a UN nation on that day;

3. PROMISES that no further investigation or punishment will be done as a result of the weapons turned in on that day;

4. ORDERS that all weapons delivered to a state office be given over to the UN to be destroyed;

5. ENCOURAGES continued positive and open policy to accepting illegal weapons turned into the state everywhere.

If anyone has any suggestions for making the resolution I posted clearer, please state them now, before I add this to the proposals.

If anyone has any suggestions for making the resolution I posted clearer, please state them now, before I add this to the proposals.
It's considered poor form to take another member's proposal and repost it under your own name, even though you have made significant changes. The original author may not mind, but it would be polite to request permission first.

If there is anything a CEO learns on the job is, Loopholes are BAD, very bad!!!!

In contracts and in law everything must be spelled out, this lessens the chance that it will be opposed.

As for your idea, I think its a great idea to start off with, however I was not very clear on what you ment by "in a set period, all weapons delivered to a state office in a UN nation will be granted amnesty, and no further investigation or punishment will be done."

My suggestion in the future is to do this in bullet form for the forums so people can understand easier the points or ideas you are trying to explain. This saves time and lowers confusion.

When you fix it up bit and revise and resubmit, send it to the proposals, you've got my endorsment.

It's considered poor form to take another member's proposal and repost it under your own name, even though you have made significant changes. The original author may not mind, but it would be polite to request permission first.

Well... he or she asked for another well-defined proposal to be posted. Since Undria never responded in anyway... I wasn't sure how to proceed from there.

I guessed if he or she was not responding he or she had no further interest and it was acceptable to proceed. I will send a telegram and try to get in contact with him or her again.

If you would like to re-submit this, I won't mind. Just to clear up any confusion. And that is for anyone who wants to try this.