NationStates Jolt Archive

Issue: THE CURFEW ACT 2004

I believe there should be a law that disallows anti social youths up to the age of 21 to roam the streets after 9pm until 5am. Stats have shown that much street related crime is committed by yobs in this age catergory. This would reduce crime so much if we set this law (curfew).

How would this work?

Well, I.D cards are a potential use here. If any child commits anti social behaviour then it should be recorded in their national I.D card. Their act will be recorded in the national database as well as its severity. This would work similar to a driver's license where points are allocated to dangerous drivers. So if that child bears a certain amount of points on their I.D card for mis -behaviours, that child will be obliged to the CURFEW law. This will keep out at least some of the scum from society and make our streets much safer at night. Those well behaved children will be rewarded in the way that they will be able to enjoy their priviledges and also their own much improved safety.

What do you think?

Will some one make this proposed act the law? I'm sorry to take pride in my idea but come on....its such an excellent proposed act.

Issue: THE CURFEW ACT 2004

I believe there should be a law that disallows anti social youths up to the age of 21 to roam the streets after 9pm until 5am. Stats have shown that much street related crime is committed by yobs in this age catergory. This would reduce crime so much if we set this law (curfew).

How would this work?

Well, I.D cards are a potential use here. If any child commits anti social behaviour then it should be recorded in their national I.D card. Their act will be recorded in the national database as well as its severity. This would work similar to a driver's license where points are allocated to dangerous drivers. So if that child bears a certain amount of points on their I.D card for mis -behaviours, that child will be obliged to the CURFEW law. This will keep out at least some of the scum from society and make our streets much safer at night. Those well behaved children will be rewarded in the way that they will be able to enjoy their priviledges and also their own much improved safety.

What do you think?

Several problems:
1. Not all nations employ the use of National ID cards, or ID cards in general.

2. You can't employ this without formulating some form of harassment: since you would be required to stop all people who appear to be under 21 in the first place, to check whatever system is formulated... And, therefore, even the youthes that behave themselves, will be subject to accostment by the police or security forces.

3. There are many other, and better, forms of handling this issue; such as, better education of the general populace, better judicial and prison systems, actually using the prison and juvenile correction system, and mandatory military service.

But any youth who is stopped by the police and is found to be obliged by the CURFEW ACT 2004 (proposed law) will have their parents penalised out of a fine. This way, much money would be made to spend on all the reforms you have suggested and parents would be force to take action to punish and discipline their children.

All sorted, no?

But any youth who is stopped by the police and is found to be obliged by the CURFEW ACT 2004 (proposed law) will have their parents penalised out of a fine. This way, much money would be made to spend on all the reforms you have suggested and parents would be force to take action to punish and discipline their children.

All sorted, no?

Not really, that merely, in partiality, addresses my third point; but not the previous two.

Not to mention, you resolution defines the scope (21 and under). Not all nations have such age-limits... In the Republic one becomes an adult at 18, and then has a mandatory induction into the Armed Forces till they are 20. (though it is possible to hold off mandatory induction for a period of 4 years [till 22], in lieu of college, where they are then mandated 4 years [till 26] of service as an commissioned officer.) Some nations have even lower ages (I've seen as low as 12 and 13).

Definitely will not support this. We believe strongly in preserving the rights of teenagers, whose "fun" should not be hindered because a few of them decide to be troublemakers.

Issue: THE CURFEW ACT 2004

I believe there should be a law that disallows anti social youths up to the age of 21 to roam the streets after 9pm until 5am. Stats have shown that much street related crime is committed by yobs in this age catergory. This would reduce crime so much if we set this law (curfew).

How would this work?

Well, I.D cards are a potential use here. If any child commits anti social behaviour then it should be recorded in their national I.D card. Their act will be recorded in the national database as well as its severity. This would work similar to a driver's license where points are allocated to dangerous drivers. So if that child bears a certain amount of points on their I.D card for mis -behaviours, that child will be obliged to the CURFEW law. This will keep out at least some of the scum from society and make our streets much safer at night. Those well behaved children will be rewarded in the way that they will be able to enjoy their priviledges and also their own much improved safety.

What do you think?

The age of majority in TilEnca is 14 - somewhat lower than 21. If you could modify this to relate only to children, rather than to people under the age of 21 then I might be more inclined to support it.

(But we don't have ID cards and don't plan to introduce them since they are pretty much evil).

Issue: THE CURFEW ACT 2004

I believe there should be a law that disallows anti social youths up to the age of 21 to roam the streets after 9pm until 5am. Stats have shown that much street related crime is committed by yobs in this age catergory. This would reduce crime so much if we set this law (curfew).

Age of adulthood in my nation is 16.

How would this work?

Well, I.D cards are a potential use here. If any child commits anti social behaviour then it should be recorded in their national I.D card. Their act will be recorded in the national database as well as its severity. This would work similar to a driver's license where points are allocated to dangerous drivers. So if that child bears a certain amount of points on their I.D card for mis -behaviours, that child will be obliged to the CURFEW law. This will keep out at least some of the scum from society and make our streets much safer at night. Those well behaved children will be rewarded in the way that they will be able to enjoy their priviledges and also their own much improved safety.

What do you think?

I think it is a bad idea. It means I have to create a system of identification cards for my citizens, and they will resist, when the current system works well enough. Besides, it requires more money into law enforcement and that already has more than a third of my budget.

A couple of issues about this resolution.

First off, the age of majority in the DRA is 18 not 21. Secondly, the use of national ID cards is not something the DRA supports as it could be considered the first measure in a slippery slope towards a police state.

That being said, the DRA does currently impose curfews on all youth in addition to many government social programs in order to help teens so that they are less likely to commit crimes.

The DRA believes, however, that curfews on youth is not a matter of international importance and should be left to each nation. If the youth of one nation spraypaint walls or throw eggs at buildings in that nation, it is not really a matter for the world to study and consider resolutions about. The DRA will not support this resolution.

I would also like to point our, crime is not a problem in my Republic, and the police and judicial system only makes up 4% of my national budget.

The government of Telidia thank the honourable member from AYK in bringing this proposal to the floor, though we are unable to lend our support.

We have always felt that the only real method to resolve these issues is to tackle the root causes that lead to anti social behaviour. Many of these individuals are from disadvantaged parts of society and feel disconnected from society for reasons of poverty and social conditions, which often lead to petty crime. These individuals already feel alienated by the state and introducing draconian measures against their civil liberties will only exasperated this feeling of alienation, thus rendering any benefit this proposal may bring ineffective, in my humble opinion.

Furthermore as previously mentioned the age at which individuals are considered adults vary greatly between member states. In Telidia it is currently set at 18 so our internal policy is therefore incongruent with this proposal. We will not consider raising it to 21, the social impact it would have on our society will be impossible bear.

Lastly Telidia is a nation, which has found prosperity without the need to employ draconian measures against the civil rights of our citizens and yet crime is well under control. Introducing a measure such as this would mean a significant policy shift and predicting the outcome of something this untested on our society is simply a risk we are not prepared to take.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

The Republic maintains its low level of criminal problems, rather than through nominal welfare programs, but through high levels of educational availability, and a policy of mandated military conscription: turning our people into high quality, well learned, well disciplined world dominators...

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You say the parents would be find. What if the parents did not konw if their children where out,or if the kids where plain rebellious should a parent be punished for someone else mistake. I could understand this if a 13-15 old kid where to do this but 16-21 is reaching adulthood and what lesson would it teach the kids if their parents paid for nothing but that they could get away with it again. So in short no i would not vote for this and most other people would either.

P.S. I seriously think you need to drop this or completly rewrite it.

As you can see from this diagram, spending on your law&order is already at bulk levels... So obviously pouring more and more money into this area, is not your solution...

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