TilEnca
07-12-2004, 02:35
Since I was having a mini rant about people not commenting on proposals before the reach the floor, I found this one and wanted to make some comments. If that's okay with everyone?
(Not the author, just the poster)
Global Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Greeceila
Description: 1. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person.
2. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
3. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
4. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.
5. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention, or exile.
6. Everyone charged with a penal offense has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial [and to have] all the guarantees necessary for his [or her] defense.
7. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
8. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
9. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
10. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality or denied the right to change his nationality.
11. [Adults] without any limitation due to race, nationality, or religion have the right to marry [or not to marry] and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights [both] during marriage and at its dissolution.
12. Everyone has the right to own property alone. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
13. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion; to change religion or belief, and in public or private to manifest [that] religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.
14. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Approvals: 7 (Kakuta, WZ Forums, Bijanian Utopia, Helgee, Coolet, Metal Poets, South Falklands)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Wed Dec 8 2004
While it looks like this idea has merit, there are one or two parts that do give me cause for concern.
1) This could imply that no one can be put in prison, as they have a right to liberty.
2) Already covered, plus what about people who work as servents and are paid for doing so?
7) This would imply that if I had to shut off an area of the city because it was being attacked by vampires I would still have to let people in there who wanted to go. Or if there was a huge explosion at an oil storage area. Or a virus had taken hold of an office block and was killing people. It would also deny the right to privacy, as you would have the freedom to walk in to someone elses house.
8) If I have exlied someone for good reason (treason for example) I do not want them coming back unless I let them. Is this unfair of me?
9) This just reads strange :}
11) Covered already. More than already :}
12) Doesn't really say what property is. Houses? Sandwhiches? Land?
On the whole I do like it, but there is enough in it to worry me.
(Not the author, just the poster)
Global Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Greeceila
Description: 1. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person.
2. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
3. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
4. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.
5. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention, or exile.
6. Everyone charged with a penal offense has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial [and to have] all the guarantees necessary for his [or her] defense.
7. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
8. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
9. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
10. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality or denied the right to change his nationality.
11. [Adults] without any limitation due to race, nationality, or religion have the right to marry [or not to marry] and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights [both] during marriage and at its dissolution.
12. Everyone has the right to own property alone. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
13. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion; to change religion or belief, and in public or private to manifest [that] religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.
14. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Approvals: 7 (Kakuta, WZ Forums, Bijanian Utopia, Helgee, Coolet, Metal Poets, South Falklands)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Wed Dec 8 2004
While it looks like this idea has merit, there are one or two parts that do give me cause for concern.
1) This could imply that no one can be put in prison, as they have a right to liberty.
2) Already covered, plus what about people who work as servents and are paid for doing so?
7) This would imply that if I had to shut off an area of the city because it was being attacked by vampires I would still have to let people in there who wanted to go. Or if there was a huge explosion at an oil storage area. Or a virus had taken hold of an office block and was killing people. It would also deny the right to privacy, as you would have the freedom to walk in to someone elses house.
8) If I have exlied someone for good reason (treason for example) I do not want them coming back unless I let them. Is this unfair of me?
9) This just reads strange :}
11) Covered already. More than already :}
12) Doesn't really say what property is. Houses? Sandwhiches? Land?
On the whole I do like it, but there is enough in it to worry me.