NationStates Jolt Archive


Global Rights proposal - comments :}

TilEnca
07-12-2004, 02:35
Since I was having a mini rant about people not commenting on proposals before the reach the floor, I found this one and wanted to make some comments. If that's okay with everyone?

(Not the author, just the poster)


Global Rights

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Greeceila

Description: 1. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person.
2. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
3. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
4. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.
5. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention, or exile.
6. Everyone charged with a penal offense has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial [and to have] all the guarantees necessary for his [or her] defense.
7. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
8. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
9. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
10. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality or denied the right to change his nationality.
11. [Adults] without any limitation due to race, nationality, or religion have the right to marry [or not to marry] and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights [both] during marriage and at its dissolution.
12. Everyone has the right to own property alone. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
13. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion; to change religion or belief, and in public or private to manifest [that] religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.
14. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Approvals: 7 (Kakuta, WZ Forums, Bijanian Utopia, Helgee, Coolet, Metal Poets, South Falklands)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Wed Dec 8 2004


While it looks like this idea has merit, there are one or two parts that do give me cause for concern.

1) This could imply that no one can be put in prison, as they have a right to liberty.
2) Already covered, plus what about people who work as servents and are paid for doing so?
7) This would imply that if I had to shut off an area of the city because it was being attacked by vampires I would still have to let people in there who wanted to go. Or if there was a huge explosion at an oil storage area. Or a virus had taken hold of an office block and was killing people. It would also deny the right to privacy, as you would have the freedom to walk in to someone elses house.
8) If I have exlied someone for good reason (treason for example) I do not want them coming back unless I let them. Is this unfair of me?
9) This just reads strange :}
11) Covered already. More than already :}
12) Doesn't really say what property is. Houses? Sandwhiches? Land?

On the whole I do like it, but there is enough in it to worry me.
Mikitivity
07-12-2004, 04:11
:) I agree, that we should talk about proposals before they hit the floor, but two thoughts.

First, a number of nations do come here seeking our advise, and I'd rather give their ideas priority ... afterall, they are asking for our help. I say this, but when an idea sneaks up in the queue, that I like I have in the past forwarded a copy or a link to my Delegate.

Second, on this proposal, my first impression is that a few of the clauses sound similar to clauses in other resolutions ...
Tekania
07-12-2004, 04:58
My 0.01 Tekanian Standard Credits (2 cents).


Global Rights

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Greeceila

Now that that is over, let's see where it goes.


Description: 1. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and security of person.


Already handled under "Universal Bill of Rights", "Right to Fair Trial", "Definition of Fair Trial", "Due Process", "Stop Privacy Intrusion", and "Habeus Corpus".


2. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Already handled under "End Slavery" and "End Trafficing in Persons".


3. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.

Already handled under "End Barbaric Punishments", and "Universal Bill of Rights".


4. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.

Already handled under "Fair Trial", "Definition of Fair Trial" and "Universal Bill of Rights".


5. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention, or exile.

Already handled under "Habeus Corpus", "Right to Fair Trial", "Definition of Fair Trial", and "Universal Bill of Rights".


6. Everyone charged with a penal offense has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial [and to have] all the guarantees necessary for his [or her] defense.

Already handled under "Universal Bill of Rights", "Right to Fair Trial", and "Definition of Fair Trial".


7. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

Finally, a somewhat original thought...


8. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Another one, and descent too.... However, massive problems with this one... Do those charged with crimes "have the right to leave?" And if someone is deported or forcible transfered because of crimes are they subject to this as well?


9. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

Already handled under "Refugee Protection Act."


10. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality or denied the right to change his nationality.

Define the scope here... Certainly criminals can.


11. [Adults] without any limitation due to race, nationality, or religion have the right to marry [or not to marry] and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights [both] during marriage and at its dissolution.

Why not add sexual orientation in there?


12. Everyone has the right to own property alone. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

This one will have our more marxist brother up in arms, but I agree with it.


13. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion; to change religion or belief, and in public or private to manifest [that] religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.

Already handled under "Universal Bill of Rights", and "Freedom of the Press".


14. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Already handled under "Universal Bill of Rights" and "Freedom of the Press".

So let's see, after removing redundancies....


7. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
8. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
10. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality or denied the right to change his nationality.
11. [Adults] without any limitation due to race, nationality, or religion have the right to marry [or not to marry] and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights [both] during marriage and at its dissolution.
12. Everyone has the right to own property alone. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


(Seems so much shorter)...