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As members of the UN, nations states should have a right to bring up issues dealing with other UN members. If the UN cannot help to contain its own members in their behavior with and against other UN members, how can it really do any good in the world by just passing legislation that UN members must abide by?
As with any other legal body, there must be a mode by which one UN member, or more, may lodge a serious complaint about the matter in which one UN member may be threatening another that may or may not end up with the actualization of war, hunger, death and destruction.
Sanctions, even booting out, another UN member for irrational, illegal or world threatening actions should seriously be considered and requests to the UN should be allowed to be proposed. Threats of war or terrorism against one UN member from another should not be tolerated if this is to be a UN that is working for world peace, prosperity or other matters that affect the world. Rather than doing that, this august body, the UN, prefers to idly sit by and allow people to die in war, by terrorist attacks and offers nothing to their members in the way of security by becoming a member. Why be a member?
After all, is not the UN supposed to be a body wherein its delegates and members should be able to come, in peace and harmony, to discuss serious issues such as war? This does not change the way or manner in which any country would run its own country and the results of their running it either poorly or intelligently but it does affect the world overall - therefore, if it affects world peace or UN members who wish to abide by UN decisions and make the world a better place, members should be able to rely on the UN for mandatory sanctions and assistance.
Council of NejNod

The UN is an alliance in a different way. It's closer to a confederation or a democracy than an actual alliance.

Hm...odd.

This poll doesn't use radio buttons. I could, theoretically, choose both options...

*mischievious grin*

Why be a member?


So more powerful, influencial nations can impose their views on your country.

So more powerful, influencial nations can impose their views on your country.
That would be me.

Hm...odd.

This poll doesn't use radio buttons. I could, theoretically, choose both options...

*mischievious grin*

I did. :D

And now back to your regularly scheduled post...

If you want to see more of the activities you describe, NejNod, then RP them. Make RPing UN stuff interesting and popular and maybe more people will come.

I did. :D

As did I.

This UN has taught me that clubbing baby seals with the blades of running chainsaws while PETA members are hugging them is a good thing.

Wait, wrong one.

Useful? Meh.

It is simply not possible for the UN to mandate something like this, as it is not part of the coding of the game. Any 'war' on NationStates is conducted via RP in the forums. The UN cannot possibly require UN members to go to war or enforce any kind of sanction against a particular nation and/or region.
This is simply out of the scope of the game, and as such, any proposals demanding war or sanctions against a nation, region or any group of nations (Communist states, dictatorships, etc.) will be determined to be in breach of the rules of the UN, and deleted.

As for voting on nations to be ejected from the UN, this would simply turn into a popularity contest. You'd have a dozen or so resolutions from the ADN demanding the ejection of Unlimited from the UN, or a dozen resolutions from Gothicville and co. demanding the ejection of Kandarin.
It's more hassle than it's worth.

The People of Raxanadon-X both agree and disagree with said complaint.

We agree that the UN does very little good. We do not agree that adding more power to it will solve the problem.

The Council of Raxanadon-X is very troubled by the recent string of inane, socialist proposals put forward and passed by this body. These measures were not supported by the People of Raxanadon-X, nor do we believe them beneficial to our nation's well-being. The only reason the Windland of Raxanadon-X remains in the UN is for a stronger voice. We are in a region of one, and had we not a voice, surely we would be overtaken by the other nations of the world outside OnweX.

The times are troubling. The reign of the "politically correct" is terrifying. Common sense and traditional values are failing in the world. For this very reason, the Windland of Raxanadon-X is currently considering a measure to withdraw from the UN. Any nations who wish to join us in this protest are welcome, and are also welcome to the region of OnweX.

Signed,
The Council of Raxanadon-X

The times are troubling. The reign of the "politically correct" is terrifying. Common sense and traditional values are failing in the world.

Turns out that common sense is neither.

But seriously - give me an example of what you think common sense is, in regard to (say) the last five passed resolutions, and where you fee it is lacking. I am just curious :}

The Council of Raxanadon-X is very troubled by the recent string of inane, socialist proposals put forward and passed by this body.

You really need to examine your definition of socialism. Really. Socialism is a lot more than just trying to make everyone equal, which is also a goal of most republics.

These measures were not supported by the People of Raxanadon-X, nor do we believe them beneficial to our nation's well-being. The only reason the Windland of Raxanadon-X remains in the UN is for a stronger voice. We are in a region of one, and had we not a voice, surely we would be overtaken by the other nations of the world outside OnweX.

Being the only one in a region does not strengthen your voice. In fact, it weakens it by making it look like no other region would accept you.

The times are troubling. The reign of the "politically correct" is terrifying.

You do realize you're talking about the ideals of the majority, right?

Stem Cell Research is neither politically correct nor socialist. Definition of Marriage changed absolutely nothing and was actually worthless. In fact, I see few proposals that are politically correct. Try providing evidence for your claims.

Common sense and traditional values are failing in the world.

Who's traditional values? Mine are succeeding and spreading, and mine are older than yours.

Common sense is failing, but not in the passed resolutions. They follow common sense, logical reasoning, and serve as back-ups for any that might be repealed. So far, no lack of common sense. Unless you define it from a religious standpoint, in which case it is automatically invalidated as such.

For this very reason, the Windland of Raxanadon-X is currently considering a measure to withdraw from the UN. Any nations who wish to join us in this protest are welcome, and are also welcome to the region of OnweX.

Bye. Feel free to slam the door as hard as you like on the way out. If you don't want to waste time descending the stairs to the ground floor, we'll help you go out through the window. Let me open it for you.

Bye. Feel free to slam the door as hard as you like on the way out. If you don't want to waste time descending the stairs to the ground floor, we'll help you go out through the window. Let me open it for you.

Hm, for some strange reason I don't think this is quite the best approach...

It is simply not possible for the UN to mandate something like this, as it is not part of the coding of the game. Any 'war' on NationStates is conducted via RP in the forums. The UN cannot possibly require UN members to go to war or enforce any kind of sanction against a particular nation and/or region.
This is simply out of the scope of the game, and as such, any proposals demanding war or sanctions against a nation, region or any group of nations (Communist states, dictatorships, etc.) will be determined to be in breach of the rules of the UN, and deleted.

As for voting on nations to be ejected from the UN, this would simply turn into a popularity contest. You'd have a dozen or so resolutions from the ADN demanding the ejection of Unlimited from the UN, or a dozen resolutions from Gothicville and co. demanding the ejection of Kandarin.
It's more hassle than it's worth.

I'm curious though: if someone from the forums came requesting the UN for assistence (on just the forums- the nation wouldn't make a proposal mandating it) would that be legal?

Hm, for some strange reason I don't think this is quite the best approach...

Standard procedure for responding to those threatening to leave.

I know what you mean. If you disagree with the members, they're more interested in getting you out of the UN than comprimising with you.

I know what you mean. If you disagree with the members, they're more interested in getting you out of the UN than comprimising with you.
Nah, we're just tired of listening to all the whining in virtually every topic. You can stay around, just use The Official 'I hate the UN' thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379961) for your complaints.

Hm, for some strange reason I don't think this is quite the best approach...

I'll take both sides here ...

When a newbie is being polite and asking sincere questions, I agree ... acting like a jerk isn't going to do anything but encourage more rude behavior.

But at the same time, if the nation leaving really crossed a line, sometimes a rude parting shot back might make other nations think twice.

I've found my government treating other new nations with respect sometimes and we've been icy cold at other times, all depending on how we felt the UN members were being treated by the other nation. Naturally every nation is going to draw that line at a different place.

(Though in this case, I actually do agree. It is a pretty fair request to make that the UN should have more authority. I'm not saying I agree with it, but the initial post here seemed OK to me. I actually hope that nation returns.

And for the record, my government has found that it often does defer to the opinion of the Chipmunks.)