NationStates Jolt Archive

First I should note that this post is not biased by the fact that I am obviously anti-socialist.

I just thought I'd post this story and let you guys tell me what you think.

About half a year ago I went inactive after my first attempt at a region got griefed/hacked by Fist (If anyone remembers him he hacked into many nations through a loophole in the Proboards forums.)

Anyway I went inactive and did not answer any issues for half a year. This whole time I was a UN member.

When I became active again one month ago, I noticed that my nation had gone from a Capitalist Paradise to a Liberal Democratic Socialst. Is that a little nuts or what?

Just a scary thought that the NS UN leans in that direction.

Well for all of you out there who don't feel like getting sucked onto the Socialist UN, answer your issues and it will all be fine.

ACC

Socialist kicks ass. :)

They also get kicked in the ass

When I became active again one month ago, I noticed that my nation had gone from a Capitalist Paradise to a Liberal Democratic Socialst. Is that a little nuts or what?

Just a scary thought that the NS UN leans in that direction.


The problem is two things: one your choices on daily issues are likely "liberal" and your nation is new enough that the previous resolutions have been human rights, which push civil freedoms upwards.

The way the game works everyday you can choose to have 0, 1, or 2 daily issues. At most, once every 5 days you can have one UN resolution change your daily stats too.

Daily issues and UN resolutions have various impacts on your game stats. They basically add or subtract "points" based on the strength of the idea. A "mild" resolution or a "moderate" daily issue will likely only make a very small change in your stats. A "strong" resolution or a "severe" daily issue will make more significant changes.

Your UN Classification (I'm a Capitalizt) is based on a summation of all your points. All nations change a great deal after their first creation if they pick in a 5 day period, 10 daily issues + have one liberal UN resolution move them in a direction.

Many of us that have been around for a while have learned that UN resolutions might push your tax rates up (there seem to be few issues that I like to lower my tax rates), but that there are plenty of daily issues that will "undo" the other things the UN does -- again, look at my nation ... I'm at a point where I in any two week period get much closer to being a Capitalizt. I've done this by dismissing most issues and then being very selective on the ones I like.


Now bear in mind that though my nation is "Capitalizt", that means that I do actually like civil freedoms and a strong economy. Political freedoms ... bah, they are OK, but nothing to really get excited about. Fortunately for me, there aren't too many "Furtherment of Democracy" resolutions coming around pushing my political freedoms too high, and "Political Stability" resolutions have been limited to *1*, the "Rights and Duties" resolution.

You'll find some players claim that they use UN puppets, because they don't want the UN to mess with them. While I certainly agree that the UN will change (by increasing your tax rate), the rest of your game stats aren't going to be adversely impacted if you play around with the daily issues. I suggest having 2 issues / day sent to you.

As much as this game might be about the UN and regional chats and the like, the daily issues really are the part most players seem to first enjoy playing with. When your nation reaches 500 million, not only can you submit your own daily issues (though few of these get added to the game), but you'll find that sometimes it is fun to experiment a bit. Puppets are OK to use, but I'm the type of person that sometimes likes to live dangerously and just see what would happen.

Stick around. While you might find the UN is too "left" for you, a better place to judge this isn't based on a month's worth of game stats and UN category changes, but rather look over the prior 81 (soon to be 82) resolutions. If these seem out of whack with what you are looking for, then perhaps the UN is too left-wing for you. If you like some of those resolutions, stick around.

I honestly hope you'll stay around.

Well, it's true. There's two major reasons for this;

1. The people that tend to join this site are very liberal. There are alot of Europeans and left-leaning Americans.

2. Most of the conservitives here got frustrated and dropped out of the UN

To quote 'What the UN can do and what can it do for you'

People here have different views. It may seam like only 'left wing' proposals make it but ask around the forum and you will find that well written sensible ideas usually win through.

The UN has no agenda, it's members do.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

I don't buy the "left" "right" system.... Because the lables do not actually convey any true or functional meaning.

The majority of the United Nations members are libertines with socialist overtones... And that is the direction the UN, for the most part, goes in. Neither hard-line "leftists" nor hard-line "rightists" get their way here, because both are in the minority. Libertine principle is "centristic" in nature. Of course, a hard-line rightist would consider "centrism" "leftist" because they are so far right... Inherantly people of hyper-leftist and hyper-rightists mentalities do not possess the objectivity to analyze the political overtones of the U.N.

I don't think I've heard the term "libertine" in political discussion before. What does it mean?

I don't think I've heard the term "libertine" in political discussion before. What does it mean?

Libertine is any political ideology which centers upon individual liberties and freedoms as opposed to corporate or social good, and moralistic good. "Humans Rights" and "Social Justice" are inherantly libertine... and make up the bulk of UN resolutions; this is opposed to communist/socialist centered "social good", and communist/fascist "corporate good", or fascist centered "moral good". It's the baseline principle of upholding the rights of individuals, even against what society as a whole wants or leans towards.

Not to say the NSUN is completely Libertine in all ideology; but they have heavy libertine leanings, in conjuction with a undertone of socialist "good of the society"...

Most of the time libertine thought is misinterpreted as "leftist" by hyper-right wing zealots, and at others labled "rightist" by hyper-left wing zealots... Which can be seen in many of the forum debates, where a bulk of the active delegate/members are cookie-cut into left or right blocks by other less-active more non-centristic members.... You could say the libertine operates on a completely seperate axis than that of the left/right concept, and thus is not understood by anyone stuck in 1-dimentional left-right though patterns.... More or less libertines disagree only on how much part statism should play, and where, as opposed to concentrating concerns on morality and corporatism. (I am reffering to societal corporatism, not specifically business corporatism).