NationStates Jolt Archive

RECOGNIZED- That crime and terrorism are on the rise around the world, and pose a grave threat to all nations and people.

PROPOSED - That

1) The Police and Intelligence forces of all nations of the UN shall be required to cooperate in the areas of
a) sharing of evidence
b) tracking of internationally recognized criminals and criminal organizations
c) detaining and transporting of said criminals
d) prevention of internationally recognized crimes
e) and, sharing of information regarding threats to any and all member nations or their people by either other nations, criminals or criminal organizations

STRONGLY NOTED - This shall not include the tracking, arrest, detention, processing, prosecution, transportation, sentencing or punishment of offenders or groups "guilty" of non-internationally recognized crimes such as

1) Political offenses - not voting a certain way, protest, membership in banned parties, etc., and

2) Moralistic or Religious-Based offences - not worshipping a certain religion, atheism, sodomy, homosexuality, gambling, prostitution, etc.

ARGUED - That many member nations may have differences, arguments and squabbles that might keep their intelligence and police forces from cooperating. We must recognize that even though we have our differences, all nations should cooperate in ensuring the safety all peoples of the world, from those that would do them harm.
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That's my proposal. I think its a good idea, so i'm just getting it out here so the delegates will *hopefully* stand behind it and it can go to a full vote.
We really need to ensure cooperation if we ever hope to protect our respective citizenrys. Support this resolution and we'll be that much closer to international peace and security.

RECOGNIZED- That crime and terrorism are on the rise around the world, and pose a grave threat to all nations and people.

I like this. Short, simple, to the point. Bonus points.

PROPOSED - That

1) The Police and Intelligence forces of all nations of the UN shall be required to cooperate in the areas of
a) sharing of evidence
b) tracking of internationally recognized criminals and criminal organizations
c) detaining and transporting of said criminals
d) prevention of internationally recognized crimes
e) and, sharing of information regarding threats to any and all member nations or their people by either other nations, criminals or criminal organizations

So far, I have nothing to complain about.

STRONGLY NOTED - This shall not include the tracking, arrest, detention, processing, prosecution, transportation, sentencing or punishment of offenders or groups "guilty" of non-internationally recognized crimes such as

1) Political offenses - not voting a certain way, protest, membership in banned parties, etc., and

2) Moralistic or Religious-Based offences - not worshipping a certain religion, atheism, sodomy, homosexuality, gambling, prostitution, etc.

Well, you covered the other side as well, it appears.

ARGUED - That many member nations may have differences, arguments and squabbles that might keep their intelligence and police forces from cooperating. We must recognize that even though we have our differences, all nations should cooperate in ensuring the safety all peoples of the world, from those that would do them harm.

No arguement from me. A question on the wording, but that's simply because I am verbose and not a real question.

That's my proposal. I think its a good idea, so i'm just getting it out here so the delegates will *hopefully* stand behind it and it can go to a full vote.
We really need to ensure cooperation if we ever hope to protect our respective citizenrys. Support this resolution and we'll be that much closer to international peace and security.

Hmm. The wording is simplistic, which is what makes it best (no arguements over what you mean, as only a mejnot can fail to understand), and it has set boundaries. I'm sure this one will probably gain a lot of support if you campaign for it.

RECOGNIZED- That crime and terrorism are on the rise around the world, and pose a grave threat to all nations and people.

PROPOSED - That

1) The Police and Intelligence forces of all nations of the UN shall be required to cooperate in the areas of
a) sharing of evidence
b) tracking of internationally recognized criminals and criminal organizations
c) detaining and transporting of said criminals
d) prevention of internationally recognized crimes
e) and, sharing of information regarding threats to any and all member nations or their people by either other nations, criminals or criminal organizations

STRONGLY NOTED - This shall not include the tracking, arrest, detention, processing, prosecution, transportation, sentencing or punishment of offenders or groups "guilty" of non-internationally recognized crimes such as

1) Political offenses - not voting a certain way, protest, membership in banned parties, etc., and

2) Moralistic or Religious-Based offences - not worshipping a certain religion, atheism, sodomy, homosexuality, gambling, prostitution, etc.

ARGUED - That many member nations may have differences, arguments and squabbles that might keep their intelligence and police forces from cooperating. We must recognize that even though we have our differences, all nations should cooperate in ensuring the safety all peoples of the world, from those that would do them harm.
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That's my proposal. I think its a good idea, so i'm just getting it out here so the delegates will *hopefully* stand behind it and it can go to a full vote.
We really need to ensure cooperation if we ever hope to protect our respective citizenrys. Support this resolution and we'll be that much closer to international peace and security.


My problem with this is my problem with all international policing proposals - what if we don't think it's a crime? Would we be required to share intelligence about something that you think is a crime, when we think it is not?

My problem with this is my problem with all international policing proposals - what if we don't think it's a crime? Would we be required to share intelligence about something that you think is a crime, when we think it is not?

If it's not a crime in your nation, then this obviously doesn't apply. That's my interpretation.

There needs to be a clause considering the rights of national interests and security. Otherwise this is just one more step to undermine local government.

We've violated national sovereignity a lot more heinously than this proposal does. Take a look at UN history, specifically the passed resolutions.

If it's not a crime in your nation, then this obviously doesn't apply. That's my interpretation.

Which is all well and good, but does this also apply to what we think of various groups? (I am not so much asking you as everyone, so don't feel compelled to reply).

I am back to the terrorism issue - whether we think a group is a terrorism group or just a bunch of freedom fighters.

Which is all well and good, but does this also apply to what we think of various groups? (I am not so much asking you as everyone, so don't feel compelled to reply).

I am back to the terrorism issue - whether we think a group is a terrorism group or just a bunch of freedom fighters.

Basically what i meant by the Strongly Noted section is that the group must be recognized by the UN as a terrorist group, and the crime must be recognized as a crime. My intention was to prevent this resolution from being used as means of oppression instead of a means of protection.

I can barely contain crime in my own nation, and there's no way I'm going to waste precious resources hunting down others!

What about extradition? No mention of that...

Basically what i meant by the Strongly Noted section is that the group must be recognized by the UN as a terrorist group, and the crime must be recognized as a crime. My intention was to prevent this resolution from being used as means of oppression instead of a means of protection.

But the problem is this - if one nation is trying to help a rebellion in another (for what ever reason) then they are probably not going to agree to the rebels being labeled terrorists, even if the rebels are blowing up buildings left, right and center. Either because the rebels are justified, or because the government that supports them supports them come what may.

My basic question is how are you going to define the UN recognizing a terrorist group - must it be the whole UN, or part of it?