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I quote UN res #4.

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #4

UN taxation ban
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Nassland

Description: The UN shall not be allowed to collect taxes directly from the citizens of any member state for any purpose.

I would like to suggest that the passage of UN resolution #82 is illegal and should be repealed immediately based on the following from said resolution:

The one thing standing in the way of this is funding. Stem Cell Research is very costly, and without proper funding, this plane will never take off the ground. In this proposal, I ask that funding be provided to the scientists of all UN member nations, if they so desire to research Stem Cells and their benefits. I urge my fellow UN members to stand up to these diseases, and fund Stem Cell Research.

Logical fallacy. It does not state the UN has to tax the citizens.

Nope, I don't think so. It is a UN enforced resolution REQUIRING funding for such research. So it indeed is taxation.

Nope, I don't think so. It is a UN enforced resolution REQUIRING funding for such research. So it indeed is taxation.

It never states, in the portion you quoted, whether the money is to come from the nation government, the citizens, a UN fund, or some random pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. The word "urge" does not denote a requirement, as we were careful to debate over when it was a rough draft. You don't have to use the fund either, so it is not a requirement to even acknowledge its existance.

It never states, in the portion you quoted, whether the money is to come from the nation government, the citizens, a UN fund, or some random pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. The word "urge" does not denote a requirement, as we were careful to debate over when it was a rough draft. You don't have to use the fund either, so it is not a requirement to even acknowledge its existance.
Assuming that you do know that there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then where exactly does the money come from the other sources?
nation government=from the citizens, the citizens=obviously from the citizens, a UN fund=member nations=citizens. Logic seems to have played into this one. Also, if it is not a requirement to acknowledge its existance, then it serves no purpose and should be stricken down regardless.

Kingsland, it is not Taxation.... It asks that member nations fund stem cell research.... Which means it is YOU providing funding to your scientists, and not a tax scheme by the UN to fund your scientists... You are really stretching the language to imply that it is a UN tax scheme.

Assuming that you do know that there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then where exactly does the money come from the other sources?

Actually, with my nation, there very well may be. Dragons have always been around (until recently, we just assumed them to be an unusual anomaly), the pixies that have taken over the beauty contests (damned fey...), and the fact the Ministress of Defense for my nation is an elf, who knows? Free piece of advice: Never insult the giant reptilian-looking creatures with wings. If they don't eat you or kill you in some other way, they'll fireball your car and use the scrap as toilet paper.

nation government=from the citizens, the citizens=obviously from the citizens, a UN fund=member nations=citizens. Logic seems to have played into this one. Also, if it is not a requirement to acknowledge its existance, then it serves no purpose and should be stricken down regardless.

It states that if you wish to research stem cells, you should pay for it. Not a taxation scheme, as the UN itself doesn't get the money. If you do not wish to research stem cells, don't pay attention to it. And stop stretching the wording to include things it doesn't.

Then the argument for and passage of it is completely impotent. My nation will take the if they so desireline, and choose not to desire.

Then the argument for and passage of it is completely impotent. My nation will take the line, and choose not to desire.

The arguement over it was what amounted to a sentient life vs. a bunch of parasitic cells. All arguements about it not being passed were pretty much in that category, so no one really debated anything else.

You are well within your rights as a sovereign nation to exploit the exact wording used in resolutions.

Oh, and I might add that pots of gold at the ends of rainbows is one of the main ways of private citizens gaining any form of personal money in Enn. It isn't an income, so is not subject to our income system.

Nope, I don't think so. It is a UN enforced resolution REQUIRING funding for such research. So it indeed is taxation.

Pretend you are American.

Do you think you have a direct democracy or a representative democracy?

When you've answered this question, we can talk about the UN Taxation Ban Resolution (i.e. *insert evil machine music* NUMBER FOUR *fade from evil machine music*).

Yes, I understand completely. I'm hoping you do know that I am actually not a delegate from the US :p . If I were, we would be in alot of trouble ;)