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This isn't a repeal, this isn't a rant. I'm just interested in knowing what my fellow UN members think. Should morality play a major part in your decisions or are there other means that are better to help you decide?


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In dealing with advancements, I find morality to be a setback. Then again, being an empire run by an android does color my nation's views a bit.

Logic is always the best way to determine. It's something you can support with evidence that can be accepted universally. Morality is a local thing that doesn't even necessarily agree with people living two blocks down.

Morality is an excuse for people who cannot come up with actual arguments for their positions.

Morality is an excuse for people who cannot come up with actual arguments for their positions.

Demmit, someone said it first.

Morals come from external sources.
Ethics, from internal.
We have found our ethics always superior to others morals.

Depends. If the moral arguments prosposed, are valid, sound, and consistently applied by the proponent, then they are worth considering and comparing to my own personal ethics.

Ethics dictate my vote. If the proposal is not valid, sound, or consistent with other proposals, or internally consistant, or not consistent with my beliefs (the argument does not warrant re-evaluation of my personal beliefs-it is not valid or sound) my ethics dictate not to vote for it.

Morality only affects the DRA's decisions in the UN in that the DRA believes this nation and this organization have the moral obligation to help humanity, eliminate oppression, and create a better, cleaner, and safer world for all.

Ha ha ha. Right. Have a law shown to us that does not involve one entity deciding what is best for another entity or group.

Morality is all-pervasive. Even the decision to let someone else make a decision is a value judgment.

Morality plays a role in all of your decisions whether you realize it not.

Take a look at the U.N. resolutions. "Abortion Rights" for example.

Those who voted for it had their reasons, they had their priorities, and they had their morals. If they felt it was a woman's right to choose - that is their morals. If they felt it was wrong but that it wasn't their place to say whether it should be legal or not - that is their morals.

Those who voted against it - that is their morals.

Really it is unavoidable.

The Armed Republic of Aliste.

My morals state that I have to allow everyone to follow their own morality. So I suppose they do.

Tricky...obviously, opinions are based on morals, and thus what is right and what is wrong is different with everyone. Personally, I'd like to say that every decision made by the UN should be based entirely on logic, but this isn't always the case and can never always be the case, so this question is iffy.

Morality plays a role in all of your decisions whether you realize it not.

Nope. Morally, I'm opposed to abortions. Logically, I'm not. Logic wins.

Nope. Morally, I'm opposed to abortions. Logically, I'm not. Logic wins.

I would ask what the logic is... but does it have to be an issue we're all opposed on?

Logic states facts. Morals state what should be done about those facts.

I would ask what the logic is... but does it have to be an issue we're all opposed on?

Logic states facts. Morals state what should be done about those facts.

You are in agreement with Hume, eh?

I would ask what the logic is... but does it have to be an issue we're all opposed on?

Logic states facts. Morals state what should be done about those facts.

Logic is based on evidence and reasonable arguements. Morality is based on beliefs. Just because I believe against something doesn't logically mean I have to disallow it for others or even allow it to be disallowed. Judging a person's actions is the job of higher powers than us and I cannot logically justify using my beliefs to force them towards a path they do not wish to tread. Limiting the options of sin do not cure the sinner anymore than castrating a man who has committed rape will prevent him from trying it again. If a person chooses to do something, the consequences of their choice are ultimately laid upon their head, not yours or mine. As much as you may argue against it, you have no logical right to deny the choice.

Nope. Morally, I'm opposed to abortions. Logically, I'm not. Logic wins.

So your morals are that of, you personally do not like abortion - but you feel it isn't your decision.

It's morallity - everything is morallity. :)

So your morals are that of, you personally do not like abortion - but you feel it isn't your decision.

It's morallity - everything is morallity. :)

No, morally I feel it is my decision. But I cannot support that logically.

Morality plays a role in all of your decisions whether you realize it not.

Take a look at the U.N. resolutions. "Abortion Rights" for example.

Those who voted for it had their reasons, they had their priorities, and they had their morals. If they felt it was a woman's right to choose - that is their morals. If they felt it was wrong but that it wasn't their place to say whether it should be legal or not - that is their morals.

Those who voted against it - that is their morals.

Really it is unavoidable.

The Armed Republic of Aliste.

actually, that's untrue, there are examples that I am personally against something (I don't like capital punishment), but I would vote for it because it's better for the nation

Generally, I believe in the Platonic and Aritsotelian conception of ethics in government and law, as opposed to morality...

Both defined the two under different concepts...

Ethics are values derived from logical extrapolation of base principles of the forms and functions of society...

Morals are dogmatic representations of order, generally defined by a religious, or other authority outside of reason.

Logic is based on evidence and reasonable arguements. Morality is based on beliefs. Just because I believe against something doesn't logically mean I have to disallow it for others or even allow it to be disallowed. Judging a person's actions is the job of higher powers than us and I cannot logically justify using my beliefs to force them towards a path they do not wish to tread. Limiting the options of sin do not cure the sinner anymore than castrating a man who has committed rape will prevent him from trying it again. If a person chooses to do something, the consequences of their choice are ultimately laid upon their head, not yours or mine. As much as you may argue against it, you have no logical right to deny the choice.

You believe that, morally, a person should be allowed to slip up so they can learn a lesson...?

No, morally I feel it is my decision. But I cannot support that logically.

Then you believe that, if you are unable to support it logically, then it should not be your decision. Morals and logic work together at times. Unless your morals are opposed to logic.
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actually, that's untrue, there are examples that I am personally against something (I don't like capital punishment), but I would vote for it because it's better for the nation

So you believe the nation's self interest as a whole should be placed above that of an individual? Morals.
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Generally, I believe in the Platonic and Aritsotelian conception of ethics in government and law, as opposed to morality...

Both defined the two under different concepts...

Ethics are values derived from logical extrapolation of base principles of the forms and functions of society...

Morals are dogmatic representations of order, generally defined by a religious, or other authority outside of reason.

I acknowledge that such a difference in perception of ethics and morals does indeed exist. However, I place the difference on the same level as a difference between a "religion" and a "cult". They are not defined as the same, but I find the distinctions between them to be much too arbitrary.

You believe that, morally, a person should be allowed to slip up so they can learn a lesson...?

Nope. Their life, their problem. For once I agree with the Hindus on something.

Then you believe that, if you are unable to support it logically, then it should not be your decision. Morals and logic work together at times. Unless your morals are opposed to logic.

My morals are opposed to logic. I rely mostly on logic because I have found my morality to be a problem.