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I have proposed a proposal that outlaws nicotine. Please view it and approve it if you think it would be a good resolution. Do not write to this forum. This is just to inform you of the proposal. It is entitled "Outlaw Nicotine".

Thank-you,
Clamparapa

I have proposed a proposal that outlaws nicotine. Please view it and approve it if you think it would be a good resolution. Do not write to this forum. This is just to inform you of the proposal. It is entitled "Outlaw Nicotine".

Thank-you,
Clamparapa

Exsqueeze me? Pfft, you can't order anyone not to debate any proposal that is submitted, even if its yours...

I will write to this forum, whether you like it or not.

Original Proposal
For far too long have people been addicted to nicotine.
Amongst other things...
I propose: Ban nicotine from ever being used in cigarettes or cigars.
Nicotine is a naturally occuring compound in tobacco.... So we can make cigarettes and cigars as long as they do not contain nicotine?
Nicotine kills and is very addictive.
Who says it kills?
When people run out for a smoke it takes up time and money.
Their time, and their money... That's called FREEDOM.
Please let people live and ban nicotine.
Sorry, I'd rather let people be free to make their own choices.

I will not be approving your proposal, nor vote in the affirmative should it defy the odds and reach quorum.

There is of course a lovely loophole, since you are banning its use in "cigarette's and cigars" and not in snuff, chewing tobacco, pipes or cigarillos...

First of all,

Let me say that I support the resolution knowing that it does nothing first and foremost and that it is much too broad. Clamparapa is a friend of mine, and I support the intentions of the resolution.

But now let me respond to Tekania as I disagree with some statements.

Who says it kills?

Actually, nicotine is a poison and it does kill. However the amount in cigarettes and cigars are not enough to kill you I believe.

Their time, and their money... That's called FREEDOM.

Smoking in public places among non-smokers, as many smokers do - that is called INFRINGEMENT.

The Armed Republic of Aliste.

First of all,

Let me say that I support the resolution knowing that it does nothing first and foremost and that it is much too broad. Clamparapa is a friend of mine, and I support the intentions of the resolution.

But now let me respond to Tekania as I disagree with some statements.



Actually, nicotine is a poison and it does kill. However the amount in cigarettes and cigars are not enough to kill you I believe.



Smoking in public places among non-smokers, as many smokers do - that is called INFRINGEMENT.

The Armed Republic of Aliste.

I beleive you would have to chain smoke 100 hundred cigarettes non-stop to accumulate enough nicotine in your system to force a heart attack. That is a lot of smoking. You would probably die from asfixiation (mispelled) before nicotine poisoning kicks in. In moderation nicotine is not evil. The same way alcohol in moderation is not evil. It increases alertness and metabolism etc. The patches and gum that people use to quit smoking contain nicotine.

Thought there was already a resolution banning smoking in public places.

AP, no... There isn't... It has been proposed on more than one occation, but never made it passed quorum.

Aliste, The proposal isn't a public smoking ban, it's a ban of the "use of nicotine in cigarettes and cigars". As such, public smoking is not the issue presented, but rather a complete ban of a certain product, against the wishes of the consumers of said product, in both public and private consumption. This proposal is no different than the systematic garbage presented on a daily basis by the neo-cons and religious right. It is a blatant attack upon personal freedom and individual liberty.

AP, no... There isn't... It has been proposed on more than one occation, but never made it passed quorum.

Aliste, The proposal isn't a public smoking ban, it's a ban of the "use of nicotine in cigarettes and cigars". As such, public smoking is not the issue presented, but rather a complete ban of a certain product, against the wishes of the consumers of said product, in both public and private consumption. This proposal is no different than the systematic garbage presented on a daily basis by the neo-cons and religious right. It is a blatant attack upon personal freedom and individual liberty.

AP agrees with the distinguished United Nations Civil Liberties Union Representative. :)

Is anyone else thinking "prohibition", or is it just me?

Is anyone else thinking "prohibition", or is it just me?

No, this is a much much worse idea.

Have you ever considered the black market that would IMMEDIATELY spring up due to this?

Isn't there a resolution somewhere legalizing drug use already? If not, somebody pass one. If there is, it would have to be repealed first.

This resolution makes the assumption that if nicotene has the potential to cause harm, it should be banned. VERY faulty reasoning, IMHO.

Should smoking large amounts of tobacco around young children over an extended period of time be banned? Sure. Should smoking on property where the owner(s) have banned smoking be illegal? Of course. Should smoking a victory cigar in a privately owned football area be banned? Never. Should a few buddies smoking in their home or in a bar be banned? Never.

I am very, very anti-smoking so please allow me to go crazy for a second...

You talk about 'freedom' - that's fine. As far as I'm concerned people may do whatever they would like with their bodies (except abortion and prostitution, well - at least abortion and prostitution should not be advocated by the government...).

But the problem I have with smoking is - IT AFFECTS ME! I don't want to choke on smoke (OOC: And I do, as my mother is a serious smoker and smokes in the kitchen which is right next to my bedroom)

And second hand smoke is very dangerous, I don't want to get sick from a decision that another person made. And that is the problem with smoking - the one smoking isn't the only one affected.

The Armed Republic of Aliste.

So draft something prohibiting public smoking and exposing children to significant amounts of passive smoking.

Adam Island, no I don't believe there is a resolution legalising drugs. I would be very interested in helping to create one though.

No, this is a much much worse idea.

Have you ever considered the black market that would IMMEDIATELY spring up due to this?

(smirk) Just so as we are clear, I was not suggesting prohibition was a good thing :}

An issue we have problems with.

On the one hand, one has the right to do what one wishes with ones self and property.

On the other... secondhand smoke issues.

Our solution has been "separate but equal" facilities - legal due to the requirements of dealing with smoke and fire, public health and safety. And yes, everything in the Antarctic is freeze-dried, so fire is a very real hazard.

I'm interested in the wording of this one - real teeth? Would be a nice change.

And prohibition would be bad. We have enough crime, thank you.

I'm avoiding this one simply because I've been "ordered" not to debate about it. ;)

Rofl!

I am very, very anti-smoking so please allow me to go crazy for a second...

You talk about 'freedom' - that's fine. As far as I'm concerned people may do whatever they would like with their bodies (except abortion and prostitution, well - at least abortion and prostitution should not be advocated by the government...).

But the problem I have with smoking is - IT AFFECTS ME! I don't want to choke on smoke (OOC: And I do, as my mother is a serious smoker and smokes in the kitchen which is right next to my bedroom)

And second hand smoke is very dangerous, I don't want to get sick from a decision that another person made. And that is the problem with smoking - the one smoking isn't the only one affected.

The Armed Republic of Aliste.

First, I want you to know I personally don't like smoking either. That said,

Banning nicotine use WILL NOT prevent you from being exposed to cigarette smokers. Cigarette manufacturers WILL develop alternative addictive adatives to cigarettes in order to keep from going bankrupt.

Example: Coca-cola is called coke because it's original formula included small amounts of Cocaine. When cocaine was outlawed in the US, coke reformulated their beverage with a different addictive addative, Caffeine.

In the case of a cigarette manufacturer, there is a wealth of alternative addictive substances.

Also, while I support your right to protect yourself and nonconsenting others (children, etc) from harmful second-hand smoke, I cannot approve banning the act of smoking altogether. If you offered a proposal to regulate smoking and non-smoking areas, or mandate some sort of smoke containment regulations, I would support you.

I have proposed a proposal that outlaws nicotine. Please view it and approve it if you think it would be a good resolution. Do not write to this forum. This is just to inform you of the proposal. It is entitled "Outlaw Nicotine".

Thank-you,
Clamparapa
I will not. You're attempting to repeal resolutions that encourage human rights, therefore, we cannot endorse anything of yours.