NationStates Jolt Archive

Delete Resolution 4...or not?

30-11-2004, 02:38
UN taxation ban

A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Nassland

Description: The UN shall not be allowed to collect taxes directly from the citizens of any member state for any purpose.

Votes For: 4,511
Votes Against: 719

Implemented: Mon Jan 13 2003

The above resolution should not be repealled, but in fact deleted. There are many proposals (such as mine) which get deleted beacuse they infringe upon the UN's legislative power. The UN is supreme. I'll accept that, but not with such a glaring resolution as the above. The UN "is not allowed," if I may quote from the sticky of deleated proposals, "restrict what proposals the UN may consider." Outlawing taxes also clearly restricts proposals. I am fine with the UN having power over nations, but not when there is this double standerd.

However, you could also raise a different point. The UN is allowed to legislate eveything, including to limit itself. There obviously "was" a clear majority for limiting the UN's power. If it is the will of the UN to not get involved, then that should be respected. Dont delete proposals because they call for a limit in UN power. Afterall, these proposals can be repealled, so there is no restriction. Just call for a repeall and replace the resolution with some bill calling for the involvement of the UN. I would also like to point out that several other passed resolutions also are on the edge of violation. Here are some examples:

RBH Replacement #20 "yet it inhibits the rights of national sovereignty by imposing fairly rigid guidelines." Talking about the first Require Basic Healthcare resolution.

The Children Protection Act #25 Article 4 "Nothing in the present resolution shall affect any provisions which are more conducive to the realization of the rights of the minor and which may be contained in: (a) The law of a State Party; or (b) International law in force for that State."

In conclusion, since the UN has already passed a resolution limiting its power, proposals should be allowed. However, if an act limiting the UNs power is illegal, then clearly the 4th resolution should be eliminated. I see no difference between when it was a proposal and now that its a resolution.
30-11-2004, 02:45
This is between moderation, and UN. However, if people agree with my logic. I will submit a repeal.
Rome West
30-11-2004, 04:44
I don't think Resolution #4 is illegal...all it states is that the UN cannot DIRECTLY tax its nations' citizens. It is, however, allowed to legislate that UN members institute programs that the government must pay for, which means that the government may or may not have to raise taxes to cover the costs (the game just makes every government raise taxes to make this choice easier). Therefore, the UN is NOT restricted in what it can do- it is just restricted from collecting taxes itself.
30-11-2004, 05:49
As to deleting rather than repealing - the mods are not allowed to delete passed resolutions. As far as I am aware, the only time resolutions have been deleted was in the move to Jolt, when several resolutions were removed by the Admins as being illegal. As this wasn't one of them, I would say that it was judged to be legal.
30-11-2004, 05:55
The simplest explanation is also the true explanation. Res 4 was passed before the rules went into effect, in fact before there was even a moderation staff. Look at the dates on the proposal versus the date of Enodia's post proposing rules and standards for the UN.

It's grandfathered in. Deal with it. It's here until it's repealed.