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Clean and Healthy Air Act
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Ocean County NJ

Description: Today the vast majority of air pollution comes from the burning of fossil fuels. This contributes to global warming, smog, lung cancer and low visibilty for aircraft which increases the risk of accidents. We must put an end to this as quickly as possible. So, the Democratic Republic of Ocean County, New Jersey proposes this..... a new law that will fight for the well being and health of all of Earth's inhabitants.

Phase 1
By 2018 all automobiles will use a new fuel, a non-polluting fuel for propulsion- Hydrogen. Hydrogen is VERY Clean as the only emittent is water vapor. Current cars use natural gas as fuel which accounts for nearly 70%of the world's air pollution. Here's a cool thing.... since the only by product is water, the driver can choose one of two things, either emitt into the air OR store it in a tank in the car and then take it to a water treatment plant where the water company which actually PAY for your water!

Phase 2
By 2023 all power plants in the world must use one of the following power sources: solar, wind, tidal energy, geothermal, hydroelectic or nuclear (STRONGLY DISCOURAGED). My region (the Jersey Shore) just recently switched over to only solar, wind and wave/tidal. The burning of fossil fuels in power plants accounts for 15% of the world's air pollution. All of these sources are extremely reliable and don't affect the environment AT ALL.

Phase 3- By 2025 all factories, commercial airliners and trains will use hydrogen fuel. Hydrogen engines have already been produced for jetliners and are being developed for trains. Factories will use a Hydrogen Fuel Cell about 50 times the size of a car hyrdogen engine. Currently hydrogen power plants are being developed as well. By probably 2010, the first hydrogen power plant will come online, adding to the list of fossil fuel power plant alternatives.

So please join in my cause for a MUCH cleaner and much healthier world for today, tomorrow and beyond to prosper in.

Thank You

Patrik H.
President of Ocean County, New Jesey
Prime Minister of the Jersey Shore

Dear All...

Please vote for my UN proposal,

I know very well that a resolution was passed about Hydrogen Vehicles

There is already a topic on this. Posting the same exact thing a second time does not invalidate the arguements and is just a cheap attempt to dodge having people look at them.



Dear all UN Delegates,

For the well being of our planet and the health of our citizens please support my proposal for a clean and healthy world...

Okay. We can start by engineering a biovirus that will eradicate all sentient life. Otherwise, it's impossible.

Today the vast majority of air pollution comes from the burning of fossil fuels. This contributes to global warming, smog, lung cancer and low visibilty for aircraft which increases the risk of accidents. We must put an end to this as quickly as possible. So, the Democratic Republic of Ocean County, New Jersey proposes this..... a new law that will fight for the well being and health of all of Earth's inhabitants.

Nothing new here. Haven't we shot down, destroyed, bombed, nuked, and editted to extinction over a hundred of these already? I believe we have one of these we're already working on for this...

Phase 1
By 2018 all automobiles will use a new fuel, a non-polluting fuel for propulsion- Hydrogen. Hydrogen is VERY Clean as the only emittent is water vapor. Current cars use natural gas as fuel which accounts for nearly 70%of the world's air pollution. Here's a cool thing.... since the only by product is water, the driver can choose one of two things, either emitt into the air OR store it in a tank in the car and then take it to a water treatment plant where the water company which actually PAY for your water!

1) Hydrogen is not a very clean fuel. Even the most conservative estimates I have seen of the amount of ecological damage it can do with the increase you are talking about makes fossil fuels look clean. We're talking extreme climate shifts well beyond measureable in your lifetime.

2) The water has to be processed, cleaned, etc. There are more health concerns about drinking that water than I even want to attempt to account for.

3) Hydrogen is far more explosive than gasoline is. Instead of a gas truck crashing on the highway and you losing a part of a block at most, you could end up losing six blocks.

4) This is already true of the UN. Try reading the passed resolutions before simply submitting a proposal.

Phase 2
By 2023 all power plants in the world must use one of the following power sources: solar, wind, tidal energy, geothermal, hydroelectic or nuclear (STRONGLY DISCOURAGED). My region (the Jersey Shore) just recently switched over to only solar, wind and wave/tidal. The burning of fossil fuels in power plants accounts for 15% of the world's air pollution. All of these sources are extremely reliable and don't affect the environment AT ALL.

Solar is only practical when your planet is orbitting a red giant. Earth's laughable excuse of a star is far from that. You get a long period of clouds and all of that solar energy you built up will be rapidly used up and leaving you powerless. Wind power requires so many generators and the right region that even attempting to use it would cost more than it would save, and that's hoping you actually store power instead of using it directly. Tidal forces don't even provide the laughable amount of power wind does. Geothermal would be nice, but it involves a separate kind of damaging the planet in that you must dig deep into it to get anywhere in most regions. Nuclear power is the only one practical, but anyone who knows anything about it can tell you the problems it has.

And, don't affect the environment at all? Nope. The amount of wind power plants needed for even a decently-sized nation in NS would change weather patterns. And the waste from nuclear power plants has to be disposed somewhere. Plus, no one knows how drilling far enough into the Earth to get geothermal in necessary amounts will affect anything.

I hope your country likes power outages. You're likely to have them a lot when you get bigger.

Phase 3- By 2025 all factories, commercial airliners and trains will use hydrogen fuel. Hydrogen engines have already been produced for jetliners and are being developed for trains. Factories will use a Hydrogen Fuel Cell about 50 times the size of a car hyrdogen engine. Currently hydrogen power plants are being developed as well. By probably 2010, the first hydrogen power plant will come online, adding to the list of fossil fuel power plant alternatives.

1) Go back and read what I said about #1 (though, no resolution on this exists yet). This is suicidal.

2) If you want energy that provides the same power, only without the rather extreme environmental changes you are advocating from the pollution of your factories, then go with plutonium power cells. They're more expensive, but they last far longer and don't have anywhere near the capacity to totally destroy the environment that what you are advocating does.

So please join in my cause for a MUCH cleaner and much healthier world for today, tomorrow and beyond to prosper in.

Thank You

Patrik H.
President of Ocean County, New Jesey
Prime Minister of the Jersey Shore

Your cause is good in intent, but bad in actual execution. I do not fault you for it, as I am struggling with how to solve those problems before they become such on my planets, but your methods are, despite the propaganda advocating them, more dangerous that if we switched entirely to nuclear. So, I must advise against supporting this.

The above is from the previous thread you did on this. Do another and I'm reporting you for spamming.