NationStates Jolt Archive

...that people do not read the FAQ before joining the UN.



Limitation of UN Power Act
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Winder

Description: It has come to my attention that the focus of the United Nations has turned from a political force to a body meddling into personal and moral affairs. This change in policy is evident in the recent passing of resolutions that define marriage, ect.

What ever happened to national sovereignty? The UN should not meddle in the personal affairs, as they should be left up to the individual nations.

This resolution shall ban all proposals that involve moral and personal issues that the UN has no business in dealing with. All personal and moral matters shall be left to to individual nations to decide.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Nov 27 2004

Hmmm, it looks like he took my "UN Encroachment" proposal, made it illegal, and dumbed it down. Good times.

That was on one of the lists I sent the mods of bad proposals.

That was on one of the lists I sent the mods of bad proposals.

We can do that?

We can do that?

I certainly hope so.

I suppose it only helps the mods get rid of the chaff if we bring it to their attention <shrugs>

6 minutes ago: The Confederacy of Winder was ejected from the UN for rule violations.

Oh dear.

Lord, Lord, they do not read they do not read!




Repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #80
Proposed by: Jolly People

Description: UN Resolution #80: Rights of Minorities and Women (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: I think we need to change the wording of this. Everyone should be able to date, but not with the person of the same gender.

Approvals: 14 (WZ Forums, Beach Bay, Nashdom, Pod6ia, 1 Infinite Loop, Ninjadom Revival, Billywitchdoctordotcom, Jolly People, Corporate Republics, Cav, Caesar893, Dos Locos, Roma Islamica, Undecidedterritory)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 127 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Wed Nov 24 2004

Illegal in view of Gay Rights.

annnnd another.


Repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #80
Proposed by: Catt-man-do

Description: UN Resolution #80: Rights of Minorities and Women (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: I agree with all comments made below. Catt-man-do.

Repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women"

A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #80
Proposed by: Zanshi

Description: UN Resolution #80: Rights of Minorities and Women (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Complaints With Resolution #80 "Rights for Women and Minorities":

The resolution title is unjustifiably broad in scope.
Some minorities, the disabled have been mentioned, are not covered at all by this resolution.

The resolution is vague.
In particular it fails to:
a) define key terms (belief, equal, "express their love")
b) propose legislation
c) state whether enforcement is the role of nations or the UN

The resolution is self-contradictory.
Article II and Articles I and III in particular blatently contradict each other.

The resolution is redundant.
It merely rehashes legislation contained within the following, better worded, resolutions:

RESOLUTION #7 "Sexual Freedom"
RESOLUTION #12 "Gay Rights"
RESOLUTION #19 "Religious Tolerance"
RESOLUTION #26 "The Universal Bill of Rights"
RESOLUTION #69 "The Sexes Rights Law"
Possibly RESOLUTION #49 "Rights and Duties of UN States"

The resolution is dangerous.
Articles I and III could lead to any number of human-rights violations on the basis of equality of culture or equality of belief.

The resolution is counter-productive.
Equal treatment of men and women at the workplace, as enshrined in Article II, runs into deep problems when issues such as maternity leave are considered.


Approvals: 7 (WZ Forums, Ninjadom Revival, Stathiman, Jolly People, Dos Locos, Amherstians, 1 Infinite Loop)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Nov 26 2004

So what he did was quote VERBATIM another proposal in the queue ahead of him with the header of "Argument: I agree with all comments made below. Catt-man-do. "

Yeah. Talk about space waste.

Now, doesn't "Legalize Prostitution" have to be struck out for this one to appear?


Sex and Marriage
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Kalin

Description: We the Kingdom of Kalin,

Noting that:
A married family is the most stable environment to bring up children in.
The purpose of sex is to create new life.
Children under 18 cannot financially support a family on their own.

Propose:
Sex outside of marriage should be illegal.
Divorce should be illegal except in cases involving abuse.
Sex and marriage under 18 should be illegal.
Infringement of the above laws to be punished by community service.

Approvals: 2 (WZ Forums, The Feared Dragon)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 139 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Nov 26 2004

Abortion Rights Amendment
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Heckdom

Description: A woman's right to terminate a pregnancy is a serious and important issue our world is facing, and there is a need for legislation regarding this fiercely debated issue. However, the responsibility of legislating abortion rights should not lie with the United Nations. It should fall upon each individual nation.

The current abortion rights resolution (#61) is in direct conflict with resolution 19 (Religious Tolerance)which states:

"...Therefore be it resolved that the United Nations support and promote a greater understanding of all religions and promote more tolerance of differences of religion..."

The United Nations' mandated abortion rights resolution does not promote religious tolerance and is intolerant of religions which forbid abortions, which are perceived as immoral.

A social divide among nations remains regarding this sensitive issue but no nation should be forced to comply with regulations that infringe upon their current social and moral values.



RESOLUTION

ARTICLE I - U.N. REGULATION OF ABORTION RIGHTS

The United Nations may not impose any resolution regarding the regulation of abortion.

ARTICLE II - INDIVIDUAL NATIONS' RIGHT OF CHOICE

The United Nations has no jurisdiction over an individual nation's right to enact abortion legislation that is concurrent with the social mores of the individual nation's culture.

ARTICLE III - MANDATE TO LEGISLATE

All member nations of the United Nations must enact legislation regarding abortion that aligns with the social and religious norms of the individual nation.


Approvals: 4 (Mahwah, WZ Forums, Dos Locos, InsaneMaestro)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Nov 27 2004

Another illegal one as the Abortion Rights Resolution still exists, and Articles I and II call for GAME MODIFICATION as in "Alter how the UN works".

Ban all Gay marriage
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Dos Locos

Description: this proposal is to ban all Gay marriage!

I want ta ban all Gay marriage because:
later they want to start a Family
and i think it is a bad influence for children,
to have two fathers or two mom!


Approvals: 5 (Dos Locos, Jolly People, WZ Forums, Desertica, Evil quicktime)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 136 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Nov 27 2004


*sigh* illegal. Gay Rights Resolution.

And just to close this list of "people who don't read" out, we have the merry spammer...


Universe Jupiter
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.


Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Chickman

Description: Kill them!!! WAR WAR N MORE WAR!!!

Approvals: 1 (WZ Forums)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Nov 28 2004


...followed by....




Jupiter Universe
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.


Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Chickman

Description: KILL Them!! WAR WAR N MORE WAR!!!

Approvals: 2 (WZ Forums, Evil quicktime)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 139 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Nov 28 2004

...that people do not read the FAQ before joining the UN.

Hardly anybody reads any of the FAQS anywhere within the confines of this game, in-game or forum...

I'm a bit of an odd duck, then. I read the FAQ and several of the stickies before even creating an account.

Indeed. I read the sticky's and watched the debates for over two weeks before I even uttered a single word when I first started.

FWIW, I read the stickies, past resolutions, and a few threads before wading in. And I still managed to tick a few people off.

However, I refrained from making a proposal for a full two weeks - and discovered swiftly there's a process involved beyond what the FAQs tell you.

NS UN is a learning experience.

I doubt you'd find anyone who'd support the "Sex and Marriage" Resolution regardless of whether or not the prostitution Resolution existed, if only because most of the UN (to my knowledge anyway) is left-leaning.

I'd also like to say that I have yet to make a proposal...though I have been thinking of a few...

Oooh, Oooh, another one!


Khg
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: The CD

Description: gj

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 141 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Nov 28 2004

Oooh, Oooh, another one!

Well, with over 900,000 nations on NationStates, I think you'd come accross a few bad apples...

...although that last proposal takes the cake...

Get on the band-wagon today! +37 minutes after approval of Resolution #81, we get this....


Marital Freedom
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Navwarcol

Description: This resolution:

1. Repeals the Definition of Marriage Resolution, leaving member-states free to define marriage in their own nations; but...

2. Requires all UN member-states to recognize any marriage legally performed in other UN member-states.

Approvals: 1 (Akka-Akka)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Nov 28 2004

Maybe I'm wrong, but this one allows me to marry people to each other in masse (as in "Everyone on the planet is married to each other") and everyone has to recognize it, right?

Get on the band-wagon today! +37 minutes after approval of Resolution #81, we get this....



Maybe I'm wrong, but this one allows me to marry people to each other in masse (as in "Everyone on the planet is married to each other") and everyone has to recognize it, right?

Yep. Ain't silliness grand? :)

Get on the band-wagon today! +37 minutes after approval of Resolution #81, we get this....



Maybe I'm wrong, but this one allows me to marry people to each other in masse (as in "Everyone on the planet is married to each other") and everyone has to recognize it, right?

Wouldn't it also mean that if gay marriage was outlawed in a nation, the couple could go to the next nation, get married and come back, cause the first nation would have to acknowledge it.

Wouldn't this in fact cause chaos and mayhem across the known world?

In response to the sudden repeal:

Some people take this game a little too seriously...

NS UN is a learning experience.

I'd say the entire NationStates simulation is a learning experience based on trial and error but nowhere more evident than the NS UN.

In response to the sudden repeal:

Some people take this game a little too seriously...

Ya think?

Ya think?

I know, it was an obvious statement, but it was one worth repeating.

People who don't read FAQs are doomed to have their proposals deleted...


Repeal "Gay Rights"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #12
Proposed by: Akka-Akka

Description: UN Resolution #12: Gay Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Gay marriage is viewed by some as a sin!
Therefore I, and many others wish to have this resolution repealed on the grounds that it contravenes religious teachings and imposes Western values on all states.

If individual countries wish to legislate as above, that is their choice.

Approvals: 1 (Akka-Akka)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Nov 29 2004


...and...



New Definition of Marriage
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Bharata

Description: Contrary to the passed "Definition of Marriage",

Member nations should not be permitted to expand the definition of marriage beyond the "species" border. This proposal therefore revokes the right for one to marry another species : ie. a dog.

Since no consent is truly possible from another species, inter-species marriage should not be tolerated.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 141 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Nov 29 2004

... and, oh look, someone who might get tossed...


More
A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.


Category: Political Stability
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: 7053671

Description: countries should have the option of tending to 5 issues a day in their issue hyperlink

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 141 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Nov 29 2004

Todays winner of Repealing the Wrong Resolution



Repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #80
Proposed by: Jolly People

Description: UN Resolution #80: Rights of Minorities and Women (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution is really messed up because there is no way species should be allowed to mix and get married.

Approvals: 2 (Jolly People, The Fenian Rite)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 139 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Nov 29 2004

Making decisions for people is morally wrong? What is a Government to do these days?


Repeal "Education For All"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #3
Proposed by: United Republic

Description: UN Resolution #3: Education For All (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The document before you is an example of the use of money that the Government should not have. Nothing in life is free, education, no matter how important, shouldn't be either. By implementing this Resolution, we are using taxpayers money, money which only taxpayers should decide they should invest in. This Resolution is making decisions for the people. That is morally wrong for any government to do.


Approvals: 1 (United Republic)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Nov 29 2004

Its good to know everyone reads the FAQs. Refreshing, even.



No forced laws
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Sauerwedistan

Description: While it is understood that there are many differing opinions within the UN, resolutions passed in the General Assembly should NOT be forced upon nations. Rather, the following conditions should be made available to all UN nations upon ratification of a resolution:

I. If a resolution has been passed, it should be submitted to the issues section of all UN nations.

II. Once said resolution is in the issue section, said nation may either decide to adopt the policies of the resolution, or choose to not adopt the policies of the resolution.

This proposal is to ensure the rights of certain nations who may disagree with certain passed resolutions.

Approvals: 3 (Billa Bong, Ferdistan, Borrados)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 138 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Nov 29 2004

Marriage VS Civil Unions
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: 40k

Description: Definition of Marriage:
-between a man and a woman
-between two (2) people
-legally binding to both parties
-allowed to parent children

Definition of Civil Union:
-between a man and man, man and woman, or woman and woman
-between two or more (2+) people
-not legally binding
-allowed to parent children

The purpose of this resolution is to clearly define marriage and civil unions and secure the rights of each to the appropriate parties. This means, that although homosexual persons will not be able to participate in marriage, they will be able to have a civil union and parent children. Civil unions are also not legally binding, thus they may be abolished as easily as they were created (the persons may request aboolishment and it will be granted without question). This resolution also serves to protect marriage and keep it availible as it was origionally intended.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 141 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Nov 28 2004

:rolleyes: :headbang:

Marriage VS Civil Unions
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: 40k

Description: Definition of Marriage:
-between a man and a woman
-between two (2) people
-legally binding to both parties
-allowed to parent children

Definition of Civil Union:
-between a man and man, man and woman, or woman and woman
-between two or more (2+) people
-not legally binding
-allowed to parent children

The purpose of this resolution is to clearly define marriage and civil unions and secure the rights of each to the appropriate parties. This means, that although homosexual persons will not be able to participate in marriage, they will be able to have a civil union and parent children. Civil unions are also not legally binding, thus they may be abolished as easily as they were created (the persons may request aboolishment and it will be granted without question). This resolution also serves to protect marriage and keep it availible as it was origionally intended.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 141 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Nov 28 2004

OOC: You know, I don't think that is such a bad idea- as a way to improve the game, that might work.

Of course, going through the UN isn't the way to do it.

AP is all about definitions. However, aside from this resolution being illegal, for it to be a civil union, it should entail legal rights

Civil: of or relating to private rights or remedies...

What you have above is, Civil Union: a government certified friendship.