NationStates Jolt Archive

War and Peace Act Resolution 1
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.


Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Stansfeldland

Description: The Army:
No country may have an army which is over 1/10 of the size of it’s population. Under international law, the use of war to settle disputes will be banned. However, a country may only use force to defend itself. Army conscription is illegal.

Approvals: 3 (The United America, The Lidless I, La Commune Quebecoise)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania has not approved this proposal.


1/10th? Kind of makes it hard to conscript or draft in the events of being attacked by larger aggressors, does it not? And what about pulling in forces for someone elses defense?


War and Peace Act Resolution 2
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.


Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Stansfeldland

Description: Nuclear weapons:
All nuclear weapons must be dismantled and destroyed within 5 years.

Approvals: 3 (The United America, The Lidless I, La Commune Quebecoise)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania has not approved this proposal.

Yes, we will destroy all our nuclear weapons over the territories of all delegate nations approving of this. That way the supporters of said proposal, will get first hand proof (at least for a few milli-seconds) that we have eliminated our nuclear arsenal...


War and Peace Act Resolution 3
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.


Category: Gun Control
Decision: Tighten
Proposed by: Stansfeldland

Description: Gun ownership:
No citizens of this planet shall be allowed to own a gun.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania has not approved this proposal.

Good, The Constitutional Republic of Tekania, is not on this planet.


War and Peace Act Resolution 4
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Stansfeldland

Description: Death Penalty:
The death penalty will be outlawed under international law.


Approvals: 3 (The United America, The Lidless I, La Commune Quebecoise)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania has not approved this proposal.

Outlawed under law? That sentance is redundant to the extreme.


War and Peace Act Resolution 5
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Stansfeldland

Description: Environment:
All power stations which use fossil fuels or are nuclear powered must be dismantled and destroyed within 5 years. All new power stations must use renewable energy sources.
The cutting down of trees must be restricted for the future of our rainforest. A ‘tree replantation’ program must begin.
All cars must be powered with environmentally-friendly fuels, such as hydrogen.
Each country is required to have at-least one national park.

Approvals: 5 (Coolet, The United America, Wantanubiscutti, La Commune Quebecoise, Danzeemania)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 135 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania has not approved this proposal.

Yes, hydrogen is extremely enviromentally friendly....... it loves to get VERY friendly with most other materials around it so much, it wants to marry them very rapidly in mass numbers.

"Nuclear" is a general term, and would apply to the use of Tokomac Fusion reactors as well... which are a renewable source, in that they use the second isotope of hydrogen (deuterium) in a fusion process, and output helium... so your principle of "nuclear" seems to be based off ignorance of what all "nuclear" pertains to.

Short of a self-sustaining fusion plant, or other higher-level power systems such as the use of MARC's, ZPM's, Hypermatter, or such plants by FT nations, Fission is the only source that can provide enough power for modern nations at their present technology levels... most renewable sources (solar, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, tide-force), either require too much land to operate, or are geologically limited in their application...


War and Peace Act Resolution 6
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Stansfeldland

Description: The Elderly:
All peoples over 50 shall be entitled to free healthcare and medication. All peoples over 65 shall be entitled to subsidised housing and a state pension. All peoples over 75 shall be entitled to free housing.

Approvals: 3 (The United America, Wantanubiscutti, The Lidless I)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 137 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania has not approved this proposal.

The only people who can be rightly entitled to a state pention, are people retired from state employment...

The principle of people supplying for their own retirement, is a central tenet of a free society... this proposal is nothing more than legalized theft...

I do not work to keep my nations unemployment rate low (4.41% and dropping) so lazy a**holes can reap off the hard-earned fruit of others... Mr. "I've got more than 1/5th of my population sitting on their asses stealing from others, while my workers live in abject poverty, and my national currency fails" Socialist....

Description: The Army:
No country may have an army which is over 1/10 of the size of it’s population. Under international law, the use of war to settle disputes will be banned. However, a country may only use force to defend itself. Army conscription is illegal.

The first part should be common sense for most of the time. Anything over 10% will kill an economy. But go ahead and pass this. The moment you use force to resist me invading your country, I'll point out you are using warfare in violation of international law and test my new antimatter weapons on your country in protest.

My military is volunteers anyway, so the last sentence has no effect.

Description: Nuclear weapons:
All nuclear weapons must be dismantled and destroyed within 5 years.

Go ahead. Then the nonUN nations can have fun nuking the UN to nonexistance.

Description: Gun ownership:
No citizens of this planet shall be allowed to own a gun.

My nation isn't on Earth, so this is worthless.

Description: Death Penalty:
The death penalty will be outlawed under international law.

Badly-worded sentence. Plus, I want to know what you are going to do with all of those extra criminals. I know I'll be arming mine with military-grade assault rifles, giving them military-grade missile launchers with antimatter micomissiles, and dropping them off in your nation. What they do then is up to them.

Description: Environment:
All power stations which use fossil fuels or are nuclear powered must be dismantled and destroyed within 5 years. All new power stations must use renewable energy sources.
The cutting down of trees must be restricted for the future of our rainforest. A ‘tree replantation’ program must begin.
All cars must be powered with environmentally-friendly fuels, such as hydrogen.
Each country is required to have at-least one national park.

1) Nuclear power plants are the only things keeping my orbital platforms with enough power to keep them from falling into atmosphere and killing everyone on Terrator. The star that planet is orbitting is not big enough to provide them enough power. You're willing to kill millions of people just to be rid of nuclear energy?
2) My nation has no trees. So I can't replant what I don't have.
3) Hydrogen is extremely explosive, about as environmentally friendly as detonating all of the nuclear warheads on Earth at once (the atmospheric changes it causes are extreme and in a short amount of time), and there are more-friendly fuels out there. This is also already covered by a UN resolution, so you have proven you cannot read passed resolutions.
4) National park? Most of my nation is barren rock on my homeworld and unexplored wilderness on my colony world. I don't need national parks.

Description: The Elderly:
All peoples over 50 shall be entitled to free healthcare and medication. All peoples over 65 shall be entitled to subsidised housing and a state pension. All peoples over 75 shall be entitled to free housing.

1) This is not feasible, for one simple reason: It requires a 40% tax rate just for healthcare. Your economy will collapse quickly under this.
2) This will bankrupt several corporations in my nation and make us unable to obey any UN resolutions with costs attached to them due to the economic blow. Now is my nation unique in this.

These proposals really bugged me. Why can't all these stupid ideas be condensed into one?

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

I am aware to the badly worded sentences and the utopian-style of the acts. Initally, I attempted to pass all of these into one bill, which would have been a good idea. However, the UN moderators deleted it because apparently it 'spanned too many cagetories'. I replied to them, but supposedly, it wasn't a matter of ethice but in agreement with the rules.

These proposals really bugged me. Why can't all these stupid ideas be condensed into one?

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World
Because they're stupid ideas, Lady. Every one of these concepts has been proposed better, more clearly written, and with actual arguments in their defense. A number of them have actually made it to vote and been soundly defeated. Others, like Gay Marriage and Abortion rights, are already law. So, not only has the author not bothered to read past resolutions, he's never bothered to drop by the UN before this to actually see what it is we do.

Nope, it's just another one-size-fits-all solution to all the world's problems from an uninformed delegate who must have finally gotten two endorsements. They'll all be gone in four days. I guess we can wait them out and see the next spammy idea that comes along.

...your problems. Undoubtedly, a couple of the resolutions made already UN law, and I apologise to you all for putting them on. But what I don't get is why you don't want to have your nations in a better world, one which help for the elderly, help for younger people and help for the environment. A world where men and women don't have to join the army. Simply, a world where most people don't live everyday with worry.

Thank you for your comments,
Stansfeldland

...your problems. Undoubtedly, a couple of the resolutions made already UN law, and I apologise to you all for putting them on. But what I don't get is why you don't want to have your nations in a better world, one which help for the elderly, help for younger people and help for the environment. A world where men and women don't have to join the army. Simply, a world where most people don't live everyday with worry.

Thank you for your comments,
Stansfeldland

Unfortunately, Stan, not everyone agrees with you about what "better" means in the context of a human society or the world, and even if they do agree with you about what should happen, they may not agree that the U.N. should be the one mandating those things. They may not even agree that national governments should be mandating those things.

Unfortunately, Stan, not everyone agrees with you about what "better" means in the context of a human society or the world, and even if they do agree with you about what should happen, they may not agree that the U.N. should be the one mandating those things. They may not even agree that national governments should be mandating those things.

But surely, ism't it better to live in a world with a better environment, a world without war, and a world where people don't need to worry about education, healthcare and pensions?

But surely, ism't it better to live in a world with a better environment, a world without war, and a world where people don't need to worry about education, healthcare and pensions?

Most people would agree with that, but they (and I) might not be convinced that the proposals you have put forward would actually achieve this :}

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion

But surely, ism't it better to live in a world with a better environment, a world without war, and a world where people don't need to worry about education, healthcare and pensions?

It all depends on what people believe is better, Stan. One person may believe that a warlike society is good because it often successfully eliminates those who are the weakest from the gene pool, thereby improving humanity's stock. Another person may believe that freedom is worth the price of all the societal ills it will allow. Yet another person may believe that people should have to worry about their education, healthcare, and pensions, because when people have a vested personal interest in those things, they will be more likely to work hard to improve them.

...your problems. Undoubtedly, a couple of the resolutions made already UN law, and I apologise to you all for putting them on. But what I don't get is why you don't want to have your nations in a better world, one which help for the elderly, help for younger people and help for the environment. A world where men and women don't have to join the army. Simply, a world where most people don't live everyday with worry.

Thank you for your comments,
Stansfeldland

Because your world is not a better world. Look at some of my arguements, for example.

Your world is an impossible utopia. Mine may be full of violence, death, and often involving war, but my people live in a world without half of the crap other nations put up. The rest of the stuff is there, but it is there because a good reality involves both the good and the bad.

But surely, ism't it better to live in a world with a better environment, a world without war, and a world where people don't need to worry about education, healthcare and pensions?

No, it isn't. Military conflict has been one of the leading causes of technological revolution. Concerns about the environment is what causes people to strive to help limit what damage they do and focus on how to advance themselves in ways that won't use up the limited resources. Worries about education forces some to strive to learn as much as they can and try their best to add to what is known, as well as revolutionizing how people learn. Worries about healthcare makes people strive to understand the body, to research into fields they wouldn't normally touch, and to show their concern for others by worrying about them. Worries about pensions makes people work hard to build them and glad they did the work when they have them.

Your ideal society doesn't create a world where humanity grows and learns, but one where it stagnates and dies. Humanity is such a warlike and primitive species because that is how it advances itself and through conflict is how it justifies itself, no matter whether that conflict is repelling invaders or simply just having enough money to enjoy your retirement years. It is through the struggle, through the fight, through pure conflict that humans come to have their pride and come to feel as though they have accomplished something despite the fact nothing has changed, despite the fact humanity has yet to develop a civilization worthy of the word, and despite the fact the world hasn't actually changed.

Until you understand that, you will never understand humanity or why it is that conflict and challenges must exist.

Because your world is not a better world. Look at some of my arguements, for example.

Your world is an impossible utopia. Mine may be full of violence, death, and often involving war, but my people live in a world without half of the crap other nations put up. The rest of the stuff is there, but it is there because a good reality involves both the good and the bad.

Here here!

It is only in suffering the bad that we can appreciate all that is good.

I have several reservations on this proposal.

1. How does the proposing nation expect all these ideals to be paid for when bringing to fruition?
2. When we get rid of all our guns and weapons and dismantle out armies, WHO WILL PROTECT US from non-UN waring nations?
3. What new and wondrous power source are we expected to use, now that you have eliminated that which major industry is built from? How will developing countries move to this new source?
4. Where will we build our homes, now that we cant log forests? How will we house people at all? What would we build homes with?
5. Where and how will we build the new prisons needed to house all those criminals that we no longer put to death? How will we PAY for their continued housing?

Your resolutions are tantamount to throwing ALL of civilization back into the dark ages. The lack of energy, and massive loss of jobs will create unemployment. And while we cant own guns, our citizens can beat the crap out of each other for whatever posessions they own.
Never underestimate the ability of civilization to turn on itself when it is deprived of the advancements it now sees as necessities. Human nature in itselt is to own more and control more than our neighbors. Until you can find a way to eradicate this very predatory and primal side of us, you can not expect a handful of poorly written or thought out resolutions to change society for the better.

Maybe we should become a Harrison Bergerron society to make it the way you want?

1/10th? Kind of makes it hard to conscript or draft in the events of being attacked by larger aggressors, does it not? And what about pulling in forces for someone elses defense?

1/10th is freaking huge, actually. Most RP nations will call you a godmodder if you have more than 5% or so. My military is hovering around 0.01%

I am aware to the badly worded sentences and the utopian-style of the acts. Initally, I attempted to pass all of these into one bill, which would have been a good idea. However, the UN moderators deleted it because apparently it 'spanned too many cagetories'. I replied to them, but supposedly, it wasn't a matter of ethice but in agreement with the rules.

Not quite sure what you're implying, but I thought that I was pretty clear when I telegramed you saying why I deleted it. Proposals are not allowed to be in multiple categories, and your proposal clearly was. I believe one person I showed it to refered to it as a "shopping list". Wanting to improve the world is all well and good, but follow the rules when you're doing it.

And, for future reference, proposals may have multiple parts, just not multiple categories. In other words, all the Global Disarmament ones could have been within one proposal.

Not quite sure what you're implying, but I thought that I was pretty clear when I telegramed you saying why I deleted it. Proposals are not allowed to be in multiple categories, and your proposal clearly was. I believe one person I showed it to refered to it as a "shopping list". Wanting to improve the world is all well and good, but follow the rules when you're doing it.

And, for future reference, proposals may have multiple parts, just not multiple categories. In other words, all the Global Disarmament ones could have been within one proposal.

I was among those you showed the "gesalt" proposal to last night or the night before, and I was the one who called it a shopping list.

It is IMHO, but this isn't a bad thing. I have shopping lists too, and I work on them, but I also pull one item from the shelf at a time. In fact, I'm working on getting my background information for my second part of my disaster assistance series involving the International Red Cross. :)

My advise is to do exactly what the Most Glorious Hack is suggesting. Find issues that are similar and expand upon them. Leave the other ideas on a pad of paper at home for a month, while you see how far you can get with one idea.

Sometimes other players will beat you to an idea. Fortunately there really are plenty of fish in the sea, so don't worry.

Time is your ally!

God they can breed…
War and Peace Act Resolution 7
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Stansfeldland
Description: Prison System:
All prisoners must go through a process of rehabilitation during their prison sentence. The laws governing the death penalty has been governed in ‘War and Peace Act Resolution 4’.
Approvals: 6 (The United America, Coolet, Jo-nineveh, Askalaria, WZ Forums, Master Tom)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

[b]War and Peace Resolution 8[b]
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Stansfeldland
Description: Abortion:
Abortion must be made available for all women, however each individual government can take any stance on the advising of taking the abortion. If a mother chooses to work rather than help bring up her child, she is entitled to claim subsidised day-care depending on her income.
Approvals: 4 (Askalaria, Hopi, WZ Forums, Master Tom)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 136 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004
Abortion is already legal and available. And a mother can work and 'help bring up her child'! You can't give 100% to both but you can work and help bring up your child. As even married women get this subsidised day care I feel you are implying that it is bad for the woman to work but the man can move to another country. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

War and Peace Act Resolution 9
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Stansfeldland
Description: Healthcare:
All peoples under the age of 21 are entitled to free healthcare. Anyone who is unemployed due to ill health is entitled to free treatment.
Approvals: 6 (Independente do Norte, Coolet, Jo-nineveh, Askalaria, WZ Forums, Master Tom)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004

The Gothic Glory of The Black New World has not approved this proposal. [Approve]
Ohhh flashback…

War and Peace Act Reso 10
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Stansfeldland
Description: Homosexual Marriage:
Homosexual marriage is legal under international law.
Approvals: 4 (Jo-nineveh, Askalaria, Hopi, WZ Forums)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 136 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Tue Nov 23 2004
Yes it is what is your point?

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

...to you all. I'm sorry for clogging up the UN proposals board, with unclear and hazy resolutions, all under the name of an utopian-style act. In the future, I plan to take on the advice given to me by some of the UN moderators, and bide my time. I plan to go through my issues one at a time, in clusters, and go into more detail on each one, setting out plans and visions for what would be in my eyes, a better world.

Thank you,
Stansfeldland

Thank God.

You do realize that the UN Resolutions apply only to UN nations. So no, I'm not giving up my nuclear weaponry. Vastiva is also overrun with polar bears some nut imported, so no, I'm not giving up my guns.

One at a time, realize you're not affecting the majority of the NS world, and realize that utopiaist views don't work in the real world.

Work slower. Concisely. Propose, get feedback, then continue.

And relax.

1/10th is freaking huge, actually. Most RP nations will call you a godmodder if you have more than 5% or so. My military is hovering around 0.01%

Yes, but note it applies to conscription and drafts as well, the point is, if you are being invaded, you can most certainly raise armies composed of more than 1/10th of your population, If you exceed 25% you are pushing it, and if you are at 30% you have surpassed logistics...

With this in place, if a nation with a population of, let's say 100 million, were being invaded by another nation of let's say 1 billion, it would be impossible, within the new rules, to fight the invasional army... because you would be unable to impose drafts or conscription... It would also invalidate the governmental form of mandatory conscription (like we have in the Republic of Tekania)... Though mind you, I'm not invasional, and my forces spend more time conducting exploration and research, than anything else..... But, mandated conscription is part of my nations "educational system" as it enforced more discipline amongst the populace.