NationStates Jolt Archive


Discussion on Repealing "Stop Privacy Intrusion"

Kspinaria
13-11-2004, 18:54
I am proposing to put the Resolution "Stop Privacy Intrusion" up for a repealing vote for the following reasons:

- The resolution promotes widespread anarchy throughout the entire United Nations. Governments are unable to police themselves as they see fit, since they are forced to act in a manner which leaves them open to blatant treachery and terrorism.

- Making sure that your country is safe should not be a crime. Especially when this could result in the injury and/or death of civilians, as well as destruction of public and private property. This could all easily happen due to the government(s) being unable to legally filter through the day-to-day communications of their population.

- Citizens with nothing to hide, are unlikely to mind whether they are being recorded for the good of their nation's security, whereas those operating in dubious circumstances are most likely to object.

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Any and all criticism, other than baseless accusation, are welcome. Please, tell me your ideas.
TilEnca
14-11-2004, 22:52
- The resolution promotes widespread anarchy throughout the entire United Nations. Governments are unable to police themselves as they see fit, since they are forced to act in a manner which leaves them open to blatant treachery and terrorism.


Terrorism is not, or should not be, an excuse to strip a nation's citizens of their privacy. The resolution was put in place to prevent people from being spied upon, and their lives dominated by the state. I can see no reason why that should be revoked, just because someone pulls out the magic card of terrorism.


- Making sure that your country is safe should not be a crime. Especially when this could result in the injury and/or death of civilians, as well as destruction of public and private property. This could all easily happen due to the government(s) being unable to legally filter through the day-to-day communications of their population.


My nation is crime free while this resolution is in force. I see no reason why repealing it would make my nation even more crime free (I am not sure it can be even more crime free). Note - this only applies at time of writing, based on the information on my page.

The state can ensure the safety of the people, and of the country, without having the ability to listen to everything that every person says. In cases of criminal investigation I will accept the need, but spying on a person who is under no suspicion should not be subject to government spying.




- Citizens with nothing to hide, are unlikely to mind whether they are being recorded for the good of their nation's security, whereas those operating in dubious circumstances are most likely to object.


Sadly this is not true. I am not planning to overthrow my Council of Ministers and turn TilEnca in to a dictatorship, nor am I planning on blowing up the concert hall.

But what I say to my husband in bed, what I say to my friends when they come round for tea, is private. And I would not like to think that the police, the military and so on, are listening to what I say in the throes of passion. It is such a violation of my civil rights I can't even begin to describe it.

I honestly believe that spying on someone "for the good of security" is just an excuse for wanting more control by the state over the people, and to do it under the cover of protecting the freedom of the people is a wolf in sheeps clothing.